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Sep 28th, 2005 at 11:12am
 
I have never met guides.  I am curious what people think about them.  I have heard it said that we all have one or two guardian angels, and one or more guides.  Once in a while, I'll pose a question to myself and have a small internal dialogue.  Is this a guide or my own voices?

If we do have guides or guardian angels, are they there/present always, or only at crucial moments or when they are called?  If they are there always, it is like they are leading another mortal life with us, and it is a bit of an intrusion, if you ask me. 

Is it possible that some people don't have guides?

I know these questions may sound simplistic, but I am not looking for a standard new age answer; more a person's own experiences to it.

Sometimes I hear of a person having 2-3 guides, and being in touch with 5 or 6 past selves, and I say wow, talk about an extended nuclear family!  Am I being left out of this stuff or what?  I realize that I am new to Monroe and the study of consciousness.  Maybe I am not ready to experience some of these things yet, I don't know (I think of myself as being pretty open to experience). 

My own feeling about consciousness is that sometimes the investigation of guides and past lives is a distraction from the here and now.  A distraction of the rising of my conscious being in a unified way to a higher plane.  I feel that some people have spirits with past or current life issues that need to be explored in order to be made whole.  For me, I can't say why, but I feel whole and would love to simply further the connection of my consciousness with the universe and big picture of things.

Maybe that is why I haven't met any guides as of yet.  I have asked for guidance in meditations, but have come out empty so far.

Any thoughts?

Matthew
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Reply #1 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 11:41am
 
I try not to spring new age mumbo jumbo on you! ha ha! I sense you are growing by leaps and bounds as you say you are open to experiences so I assume what you open up to is a sort of expectation state of mind. also I look at you and notice all that you post does resonate with me also. I am trying to say I enjoy your posts without saying mumbo jumbo!
guides to my way of understanding are assigned before incarnation. some guides are just pass throughs, I call these consciousness workers or CW's. you can see CW's at work in old paintings, where an angel depicted with wings outstretched remove small children from a river's bank...trust me, they don't all come with wings!
One guide, I call him, I met in C1 and also in astral and turned out he was a biker! ha ha! so guides can be physical. he acted to restore my faith in humanity. also my sister did not believe in mumbo jumbo or angels or she didn't believe in anything at all. when she died, she could find no guides, but...she did find her best friend out there, and the two of them assisted each other as best friends do, to explore their new world. so guides can be former best friends. you can reach a state where everyone becomes like a best friend, when u can accept that we are all as one being reflecting each other. I thnk the issue of getting guidance or CW workers around you helping out begins with the examination of conflicting belief systems existant within yourself...just the way you are doing now by trying to reconcile new age thought with traditional concepts of being subjected to life by a higher power, or being a willing participant in life with the power within to create as you wish your life, which is to say we have objectiveness consciousness now and choice to react or create.  am I making any sense? lol...bottom line, you give me opportunity to express myself, perhaps I do the same for you and we all become each other's angel. love, alysia
ps. anytime I ask for guides,  they love it when you ask!  as they are service oriented within PUL.
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Reply #2 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 11:43am
 
Sorry for the platitude, but no man is an island. We get guided, directed, influenced in many ways. I guess it's a matter of what we get guided by.

My guidance, even though it can be something else at times, never seems to force itself on me. Regarding it being something else, I think it is a matter of it having more faith in me than I have.
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Reply #3 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 12:14pm
 
you are so right on...faith in yourself I see as a good thing. when I started to trust what I was getting, I get feelings on my physical body which I found out my mind penetrates every cell, so why not? I didn't trust my feelings at first...disassoctiated myself from these feelings, intuitions, nudges, as having no basis. but then I learned a feeling was some sort of communication about my reality, so if I trusted them, trusted myself, then a whole new way of relating to others opened up, that I trusted others also. later, I got verification that trusting myself to not lie to myself was leading to  verifications I was unto something correct.
I love to tell the story of distrust and what happened: I hired the wrong roofer...lol...when I first saw him I felt an energy sweep over my being that something was wrong here....but I wanted to trust that I would be taken care of. instead of trusting my feeling that something was wrong...I went ahead and hired him which led to a legal system battle. this whole experience would lead me trusting my feelings later, so I'm not complaining. I'm actually glad it happened exactly the way it did. it did not make me more suspicious of others motives..it just allowed me to understand I could trust myself when I get feelings. I assume people don't trust their intuitions or trust themselves very much but maybe that's why we come here? to learn how? well, have a day now, apparently we have eternity to figure it out! ...
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Reply #4 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 12:39pm
 
Here's a story similar to Alysia's roofer story.

A number of years ago I got the intuition to not park my car in a particular place. I did so anyway, my car got hit, and over $3,000 of damage on a $7,000 car was incurred.
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Reply #5 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 5:29pm
 
Thanks Alysia,

Your posts resonate with me too.  I guess I'm interested in hearing who has a guide(s), how you first met, did you "see" them, or hear a voice and have a dialogue?

How often do people communicate to them?

I have often pictured my maternal grandmother and a favorite deceased uncle during times of need, and I feel they have responded to me in some way.  Would these qualify as guides?

I'd be interested in hearing from anyone.  Marilyn too, perhaps?

I really appreciate your answers.

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Matthew
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Reply #6 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 7:19pm
 
Hi Matthew,

Alysia is such a wise one, isn't she Smiley  I love the love she spreads around.

I would say that first and foremost guidance comes from within each of us... our intuition, which is always connected to our Source, I think is the most reliable guidance we have because of this direct connection.  I also think of this as our "built in" intention or our life plan always leading us to where we need to be to accomplish our life's purpose. 

The conversations you have with yourself is guidance.  Notice that these conversations are taking place deep inside you.  Notice that sometimes when you speak to others, it may not seem like it is you talking, but something that is coming from beyond yourself.  It is you, yet it is perceived as something separate from yourself.  This is because of the duality we experience. 

In addition, it has been my experience that guides and helpers are always available to assist when the need arises.  Help always comes when we ask for it.  People may not always be aware of it, but our pleadings are always heard and answered according to our highest good.  I think this is true even when we don't listen. 

I have had many experiences interacting with other beings (guides/helpers) at the higher vibration levels and they may know more about us than what we'd like to perhaps think they know, however, they love us so very much and I do not believe that our privacy is invaded in any way.  The purity of the love I feel from them is truly angelic and absolutely incredible.

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Reply #7 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 7:26pm
 
Its funny, Kathy, but when I started posting on this board, I felt like you and Alysia were old friends almost immediately.  I find your posts to hit certain vital nerve areas of thought.

Ok, I'm getting the idea that I'm not so odd if I don't have a guide named Chief Running Horse who appears to me and talks like David Carradine out of the Old Kung fu sitcom on a daily basis.

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Reply #8 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 7:44pm
 
ha ha! Mathew. Isn't he a great actor? speaking of Carradine.
I find the best place to get messages of a spectacular sort is when I'm just waking up in the morning; I guess because I'm still "out there".  it's more what I'm calling these days a transmission delivered with no emotion. so it's more like a tranmission from the grid, something like that. these guides, I've had a theory about that it is human nature to rely on them too much after awhile. so they would like to make us independent explorers and is perhaps why I sense presence sometimes yet no definition nor form. I know Gordon Phinn here who would work with guides told him to start doing retrievals without a guides help as they said he was ready to do that. he works from a higher self aspect now, so theres no sense of separation from that connection to greater knowingness.
yes, Kathy and I have met out there when she showed me her new kittens and I gave her my song! ha ha! I always feel grateful the day she came here. that was a great day! I will go post about dead preacher, my own guide and try to explain it just for fun.
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Reply #9 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 9:53pm
 
About a year and a half ago I was going through a period of feeling something was wrong with me physically.  I felt very unhealthy, out of energy.  I knew some of it had to do with a little depression too.  I just didn't know what to do or who to turn to.  My dad had always been there for me, but I didn't want to call him up and complain about my own health when I knew that he has many health problems too.  So I just cried as I sat on my bed, and wishing I could talk to dad.  And I asked, "What is wrong with me?  How can I feel better?"  One minute later the phone rang, and it was my dad.  My dad never calls, even though we are close, we just don't like talking on the phone much.   When I answered he immediately asked what was wrong.  I lied and said "nothing".  Then he asked how I was feeling.  I lied and said "fine".  He told me he was just sitting at his computer when he suddenly had a strong feeling to call me and ask me what was wrong.  Upon hearing this I started to cry again and told him what I had just been thinking a minute before he called.  And then he was crying too and we both laughed and cried about it.  He did indeed cheer me up, as he always knows just the right thing to say to me.

So, I guess someone is always listening to us and ready to help.  Someone must have told dad I needed him right then.

I have learned to believe that our helpers help us in so many ways.  I think it is important when we recognize this happening, and I always say "thank you" out loud to whomever it was who helped. 

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Reply #10 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 10:10pm
 
this was precious Vicky. I was sitting here trying to think about guides and guidance and all that and you answered my prayers and I aint gonna gild no lily....love ya, alysia
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Reply #11 - Sep 29th, 2005 at 1:34pm
 
Hi people,
Matthew said:
>>>Ok, I'm getting the idea that I'm not so odd if I don't have a guide named Chief Running Horse who appears to me and talks like David Carradine out of the Old Kung fu sitcom on a daily basis.<<<

Just some hours before Matthews posting I talked to a friend about these old Kung Fu tv movies! I said to my friend how much I was impressed of the backflashs where Caine was with his masters giving him advices, and one was whenever possible avoid fighting, better run away. So, these master- teaching scenes in that sitcom, they really are similar to a meeting with guides (you may laugh about me, but I think this sitcom was cool!).
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Reply #12 - Sep 29th, 2005 at 3:36pm
 
Hi Mathew,


The closest thing I could describe as the "voice of a Guide" to the newcomer is, intuition.  The internal dialogue is most often the Interpreter.

>> If we do have guides or guardian angels, are they there/present always, or only at crucial moments or when they are called?<<

Always present, your awareness of them is affected by "crucial moments' and calling them, in short, placing your Intent to be aware of them, and by your ability to see and hear them.

>>  If they are there always, it is like they are leading another mortal life with us, and it is a bit of an intrusion, if you ask me.  <<

One mark of a true Guide is that it will NEVER attempt to coerce or convince you or "make deals" to get you to do or believe anything.  If you are communicating with anyone who attempts such things, EVER, it's not a guide.

>> Is it possible that some people don't have guides?<<

No

>>  I know these questions may sound simplistic, but I am not looking for a standard new age answer; more a person's own experiences to it. <<

My advice would be that you don't allow anything but your own direct experience to be cause to change your beliefs.  Don't believe anyone, including me.

>>  Maybe I am not ready to experience some of these things yet, I don't know (I think of myself as being pretty open to experience).  <<

Whether or not you are ready can only be a matter of when you decide to have such experiences.  All the necessary skills can be learned in five days of simple training.

>> My own feeling about consciousness is that sometimes the investigation of guides and past lives is a distraction from the here and now. A distraction of the rising of my conscious being in a unified way to a higher plane. <<

I completely agree, except sometimes the "higher plane" may require willingness to move in any direction :d)   Once again, it's a matter of where you focus your attention.

>> I feel that some people have spirits with past or current life issues that need to be explored in order to be made whole. <<

That could be the Tag Line for the newest workshop just rolled out in Krakow and Wroclaw, Poland this month.

Those issues can be what are called Aspects of Self.  Self Exploration, Discovery and Healing are the themes of the new workshops.  Retrieving Aspects of Self can lead to very sudden "leaps" on the journey you quest for.

>>  Maybe that is why I haven't met any guides as of yet.  I have asked for guidance in meditations, but have come out empty so far. 

Any thoughts?<<

They have always been with you, it's a matter of becoming aware of them, a matter of learning a simple skill, using Imagination as a means of perception.

That you have arrived at the frame of mind I sense in your words is evidence of listening to your guidance and following your heart.

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Reply #13 - Sep 29th, 2005 at 3:50pm
 
I always wondered, i would ask my self something in my head and hear something back and think I am making it up (ok i sound nuts and yes i still believe i am) which is ok because I have just learnt guides do or can as well communicate in intuition. I never really thought about it untill now...

...a little while ago i was going to buy a laptop for use when i go travelling. I saw a good one and the price was pretty good, nothing odd. This was on ebay, the bloke had decent reviews and enough to not be sucispious but they wern't all mega perfect so i felt happy, well my logic side did, inside i felt this would be a bad move and I shouldn't go here, it was dodgy but i went ahead anyway...now i am kinda in a legal battle except hes proved in the wrong and I am in the process of hopefully getting all my money back (I have got some back). I guess i needed this to learn anyway and will definalty follow my instincts/messages from guides a lot more now!

i never knew they could communicate like this and now feel like I've opened something, i actually feel they are above me smiling that they have got through to me and i have relised....i can actually kinda see them smiling. I know that sounds weird! but then what doesn't to someone who doesn't believe know!

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