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B-dawg
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Maybe "Hell" is just a trash dump?
Sep 27th, 2005 at 6:47pm
 
Maybe division theory DOESN'T indicate the doom which Novak implies? (He DOES argue from a Christian (albeit Gnostic) perspective.)
Perhaps "Hell" isn't a place for "experience" at all, but simply a "trash dump" where your spirit (the REAL you?) can chuck its bad memories?
That the reason that "lost souls in Hell" seem so stupid and unaware is that they are NOT truly experiencing anything at all, but are sort of like 3-D movies of bad experiences which people have cast off?
Interestingly, some people MIGHT end up throwing ALL of their memories into "Hell"... and THAT'S the fate we want to avoid? And "Heavens" are populated by those people who LIKED their memories so much, they allowed their concious spirit to skate... they chose to be "dumb and happy" (perhaps unwittingly) instead of concious and rational...
That in other words, the only "dreaming souls with experience" are the HAPPY ones? In other words, what started out being the same thing as a "garbage dump" (i.e., a hell) became a heaven as more and more people followed their happy memories there after "letting their conscious minds go?" They chose a pleasant dream over gritty, conscious reality?
Maybe, if the "spirit" and "soul" are equal parts of our minds, we can CHOOSE which one will, in essence, be US?
I could deal with that.

Chumley
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Reply #1 - Sep 27th, 2005 at 7:35pm
 
Hi Chum,

An interesting perspective, however, doesn't that remove any accountability from the life experience? 

I prefer to think that turning toward "the light" in whatever way you are suited is the best path.  And that it is really enough to simply see and experience that light.

I can't believe we must carry our burden with us.  As we change we are transformed.  We need no "dump" for the trash.  There is no trash.

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Reply #2 - Sep 27th, 2005 at 8:50pm
 
If memory serves, The New Testament in the original Koine (Common) Greek describes Hell as a burning refuse heap, an anology to describe how the soul burns when it is separated from God (by sin).
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Reply #3 - Sep 27th, 2005 at 8:58pm
 
Hi Chum,

An interesting perspective, however, doesn't that remove any accountability from the life experience?
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I wouldn't think so...
Let's consider heaven first.
Those who allow their souls to skate off (presumably to become someone else!) and become
"blissed out dummies" would have been seduced by the pleasantness of the experience, and the joy of suddenly reliving their happiest memories. They wouldn't care about rationality at that point, it left them, no big deal. They're feeling great! And so, they would become permanent residents of a "heaven."
(*NOTE* For someone like me... who prides himself on rationality and logic... This might be something to think about... If I start having blissful memories, I might no more want to "back off" from the experience than I like waking up from a really good dream! Know what I mean? I might end up allowing my rational mind to slip away, and therefore become "stuck" in a "heaven" which may not turn out to be so "heavenly". I'd prefer to reincarnate and improve myself, so maybe I should be aware of this possible development...)
Now what about Hell? What if the death experience started to get BAD or SCARY instead of enticing, but before their rational mind had completely disengaged?
Well, many people would want OUT, I'd imagine, so they'd run from their horrific (but relatively guiltless) memories before their spirit divided from them. Thus, they'd end up DUMPING their memories into the collective unconcious, if you will... perhaps keeping some of their better memories, and perhaps even accounting for past-life memories in children! These memories are almost always GOOD ones, right? They went with their SPIRITS, maybe... taking some of their key "soul memories" with them, perhaps to reincarnate later on.
(This may be how innocent but abused children are protected from Hell, by Nature itself! If it hurts, GET AWAY FROM IT LIKE YOU WOULD A HOT STOVE!)
But consider a real monster (Hitler, or Pol Pot for example.)
These people KNEW, in their souls, that what they were doing was WRONG. All criminals know that what they do is wrong, I think... the trouble is, they RATIONALIZE the guilt away. Their ego, through their conscious minds, suppressed that knowledge via "rationalization"... i.e. "Jews are evil"... "Filthy bourgeois pigs" and so on.
Now remember... I'm assuming that when the "life review" begins, the most VIVID ones come first, together with a flood of emotions asociated with the memories, which become stronger as the rational spirit begins to disengage. And for a Hitler, these memories would be RECRIMINATIONS... the voice of his SUBCONCIOUS SOUL.
Perhaps a Hitler would be so transfixed by these awful guilt feelings, together with self-recrimination, that he wouldn't even notice as his rational spirit disengaged entirely... and there he'd be, deprived of reason, in a muddle-headed, wretched fix... imagine his terror, as his ability to reason departed... the very reason he'd spent his life ABUSING, and shutting out the voice of his soul with...
And there'd be NO WAY OUT. Perhaps he'd see 6 million Jews preparing a torture chamber for him... which, deprived of rationality, he'd think he deserved...
WELCOME TO HELL, ADOLPH!!! I can just imagine...
So, maybe there IS accountability with my scenario. And, those who are truly evil (sadists, hardened criminals, ect.) DO go to Hell. What is Evil after all, but the total rejection of Integrity?
If you do something you know is wrong (such as
drink and drive) DON'T rationalize it... do it if you must, but admit to yourself it is WRONG to do it. It may well be that it is the RATIONALIZED evils which put us in Hell... we're unprepared to face them!
So... Novak WOULD BE RIGHT about the importance of integrity. Those who reject it, WOULD be held accountable... by themselves perhaps?
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There is no trash.
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Bad memories (that don't make you stronger or wiser, but just make you miserable) ARE trash!
Perhaps Hitler is wallowing in trash, as we
speak...

Chumley

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Reply #4 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 6:58am
 
Chumley said:
If I start having blissful memories, I might no more want to "back off" from the experience than I like waking up from a really good dream! Know what I mean? I might end up allowing my rational mind to slip away, and therefore become "stuck" in a "heaven" which may not turn out to be so "heavenly". I'd prefer to reincarnate and improve myself, so maybe I should be aware of this possible development...)

Well, perhaps reincarnation will be a valid choice for you to make when you arrive "there," wherever "there" is.  The accountability that I speak of is to yourself and your higher power (and our words are inadequate to describe such things). 

I do believe there exists a larger reality to which I am connected.  I think you do also, and are exploring, as we all are, what that means to your life. 

The reception does not always sound so good on my end (aren't we all trying to hear more clearly) but I believe I am always connected.  I reserve judgement regarding any part of my experience here being trash until I receive the greater understanding which I put my hope in.

love, blink
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