Light,

That is often true, but not always.  For example, when Robert Bruce witnessed a baby being killed form the astral plane, I doubt the baby knew enough to be afraid. 

Also, I've shared the experience of E., my cousin who was waiting in the car with my aunt, while her minister husband was exorcizing a woman inside a house.  The moment the entity was expelled, E's eyes rolled up, so that you could only see the whites.  The entity was trying to possess him and only the fervent prayers of his parents protected him. E. was only 3 at the time--too young to know about exorcisms or what was happening in the house.  E, now a psychiatrist, really spooked me when he shared this experience!

Don

I've read a little of Robert Bruce.  I don't believe in that kind of hooey.  Negativitiy is a product of our own minds.  Believe it to not be there or get some professional help.  I refuse to be afraid of things that go bump in the night.

love, blink

Hi Alysia and all,

I know you and many others read Elias.  I have read some and don't see much that I would disagree with, so just our of curiousity I did a search on demons.  Here's the link to one reading that I would tend to agree with because this makes sense to me.

http://transcripts.eliasweb.at/t_session?session_nr=285

I think as we all learn more about how powerful each of us really is in our abilities to create with and manipulate energy these things will become clearer in our understanding of this. 

I plan to post later regarding our connection to the Source of energy that we are and how we can align with it using intention to create more or what we want to create in our lives. 

Love, Kathy

Does ACIM claim like Seth (via Jane Roberts), that Jesus Christ was never crucified? Not that it's really important for me to know. Just curious.

Your question and Kathy's endorsement of Elias deserve an extensive reply.  I have already shown that Seth's claim to prior incarnations can be refuted whereever he can be checked.  Seth's claim that Jesus never died by crucifixion merely echoes discredited 2nd century Gnostic tradition.

"He [Jesus] had no intention of dying in this manner...There was a conspiracy in which Judas played a role. . .The man chosen was drugged--hence the necessity of helping him carry the cross (see Luke 23)--and he was told that he was the Christ.  his physical presence was no longer necessary, and was even an embarrassment under the circumstances.  He simply willed himself out of it ("Seth Speaks"  266, 368)." 

In the Gospels, of course, crucifixion is a self-conscious part of Jesus' mission.  Jesus is subject to savage torture that weakens Him to the point where he needs Simon of Cyrene's help in carrying His cross (Mark 15).  Seth's account is merely an implausible variation of a universally discredited 2nd century Gnostic legend.  Irenaeus express the legend thus in Against Heresies 1.24.4: 

"Simon of Cyrene was compelled to carry His cross for Him.   and this Simon was transformed through ignorance and error.  Jesus, however, took the form of Simon, and stood by laughing at them since He could not be held and was invisible to all."

This absurd legend was created to allow Gnostics to reconcile their Middle  Platonic belief that God transcended human emotions and could not suffer.  On this view, Jesus, a divine being, could not have been crucified. 

Our earliest Gospel, Mark, identifies "Alexander and Rufus" as Simon's two sons because these men were prominent figures in the early church and could verify Mark's account.  In fact, one of these sons, Rufus, shows up in Rome and is celebrated by Paul (Romans 15:13).  Mark wrote his Gospel at Rome where he could verify his account by talking to this son of Simon of Cyrene.  Paul even says that Rufus's mother, Simon's wife, had been like a mother to him as well.

Elias too denies Christ's crucifxion, but contradicts Seth's claim that Jesus simply willed himself out of it" [physical existence].  In Elias Session 282 Vivien observes, "I understand that he [Jesus] did not die in the crucifixion, but did he go to India after that?"  In reply, Elias claims that Jesus moved to Macedonia and died there at age 51, apparently of natural causes.  On this point, Elias agrees with the Koran.

The Koran's portait of Jesus is allegedly the product
of dictation from Allah, but it is in fact largely the product of allusions drawn from several apocryphal infancy Gospels written between the late 2nd and 5th centuries.  These Gospels are obviously
legendary in character and far too late to contain any historically valuable material.  The Koran, Elias, and Seth all deny that Jesus died by crucifixion.

(v) "I [Allah] will cause you [Jesus] to die a natural death. . . They did not slay Him, nor did they compass his death upon the cross, but he was made to appear to them like one crucified to death
(Koran 3:55f.; 1;158)."

The Jesus of ACIM takes a different route and disrespects Jesus' crucifixion:

(a) "{Divine] forgiveness is an illusion (ACIM 3:79),"
(b) [Jesus:] "Do not make the pathetic error of clinging to the old rugged cross. . .This is not the Gospel...I intended to offer you (ACIM 1:47)."

Contrast this with just 2 of the many examples of Jesus' mission statements in our Gospels:

"The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many
(Mark 10:45)." 

"Then he [Jesus] took a loaf of bread...He broke it and gave it to them, saying,`This is my body, which is given for you.  Do this in remembrance of me.'  And he did the same with the cup after supper, saying, `This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood (Luke 22:20).'"

The Jesus of ACIM not only contradicts the Jesus of history; he also once confuses what Paul did with what the earthly Jesus did! Notice too how the Jesus of ACIM contradicts Jesus' claims to a unique messianic identity:

"Christ waits for your acceptance of Him AS YOURSELF (ACIM 1:187)."  "Is [Jesus] the Christ?  O yes, ALONG WITH YOU (1:83)."

Then compare this with the Ramtha entity's claims:

(iv) "The Christian God is "an idiotic deity. . .You are God...We are equal with God and Christ."

Now you have a hint as to why I employ the tone I do against the New Age philosophy espoused by many on this site.  At least, I try to learn from their books and try to explore the astral realms with their methods.  I see no comparable open-mindedness in the New Age camp.   Once again, I renew my challenge: read either Malachi Martin's "Hostage to the Devil" or Larry Dossey's
"Be Careful What You Pray For."  Or just admit that you are ignorant about the negative impact of evil spirits on the earth plane and in the astral realms.

Don

Thank you for taking the time to answer Beserk.

I can't say anything for certain about Jesus, because like a lot of people, I haven't met him.

My guess is that he was probably a very advanced spiritual being when he visited this earth a couple of thousand years ago. Perhaps he was fully evolved. The parts of his message that stand out to me, is that we can all become like him. It doesn't seem to me that he would be an egotistical guy who would claim that people can't reach his heights. In reality, when you take time out of the equation, just about all of us have reached his heights. Of course not all of us play the role in history that he has played.

Regarding dying for our sins and opening the gates of heaven, what sins?

Regarding Seth's claim that somebody was drugged so that they can take Jesus' place come crucifixion time, this is hard to accept. "Drug" somebody? I wouldn't do that, and at this time I doubt that my heart is opened as wide as Jesus' heart was. But I can't say for certain. I have limited knowledge.

For my search it doesn't really matter. Even though I've read a little of Seth and found him interesting (my experience matched up at times), I determined that it isn't my path at this time (you never know), to voraciosly study all of his teachings. It isn't even important for me to figure out what Seth is really about. It is much more important for me to figure myself out first. If it then becomes necessary to figure him out, then I'll do so then.

Don has voiced his opinion here before about channelled material not is his cup of tea..you're wasting your time Kathy, we are supposed to read ES but it does not work in reverse that he would read what we want him to.
my opinion, it was a very enlightening transcript and made me feel love, not fear, that is my guage for well being..that is how I know when something is true.
and I will never stop signing my name in love, but it's not the emotion of human love, it's just a symbol word for I feel at peace with myself, and I wish Don felt peace also. love, alysia