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Sep 18th, 2005 at 1:58pm
 
I just wanted to speak openly about the things that I have learned since coming to this site a few months ago, and to voice some fears, concerns, and hopefully things to ponder to get the same ion return from everyone here....

When I first got here I was a person who only viewed the Afterlife as being Heaven (from being brought up as a Christian) or as nothingness/oblivion. The fear of oblivion is what brought me to this site and opened up commentary between myself and Alysia and Gordon Phinn. They both gave me tons of confidence and information to look into....

Well, now I can gladly say that I do think that the Afterlife exists because of this information AND through experience. Now the greater struggle is understanding how the Afterlife works, which of course lead me to having MORE fears. I think the problem is the idea of losing my INDIVIDUALITY. I like being JG....

Being JG is all I can remember NOW, and what I have come to love and accept. The idea of there being a JG as far as my soul is concerned many times before is also acceptable because that in theory cannot be changed and had to be for me to be here NOW. Well, if this life is just a continuous cycle for us to learn and to "grow" which means that we will eventually die, review our last life and previous lives, and then....be reincarnated if we chose so that we lose the memory of that life!?

Well...in this life cycle I am happy with who I am. I have no idea what the future holds as far as my soul is concerned or what changes will come in my life, but I do know right now that I do not want to let go of this current life. I mean, it all seems like a horrible cycle of live, die, relive as someone else again. It almost feels like you should go through life as a person who never creates an identity or connections to family and friends, etc. because it all disappears. And even if it doesn't, you can't remember it...

I wonder if coming to this type of realization of your life and what it really means gives you the ability to control these types of things? I see that people don't concern themselves with death..EVER, until its their time to face it. I see that people don't concern themselves with the idea of an Afterlife or something different than what their religion teaches them. So does that mean that a part of growing is coming to these types of realizations that we all have come to?

Like the Matrix analogy per se. Or maybe you can live your next lives WITHOUT forgetting so you can expand on your being in life and in the Afterlife.
I want to know if I am missing something, or maybe I have found something within myself by questioning these things, and I want know who has info on this or have experienced the same questions. Gordon was telling me that you will have the option to just live in the Afterlife and NOT be reincarnated, but it can be boring and can stunt your advancement.

Well, right now, I am willing to be bored so I can continue to be me. And honestly, I am still confused about a lot of this, but I am speaking from my heart, and I wanted to share these feelings with people who I know have more experience in the Afterlife and its meaning. So I am open to discussion on this and will add more if needed. And sorry for the book, but that is the only way I know how to communicate.....thanks.

-JG
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Reply #1 - Sep 18th, 2005 at 2:11pm
 
JG,

I perfectly understand your views on this, I am there also. I like who I am, i like my family, how can i have loads of familys to relate too, i want my life as it is now and then go to the Afterlife being who i am now, but from what I've heard this isn't so...

I remember on the "Can we be happy without a family" thread i posted a similar question on the second page... I think a simple answer but most helpful that i read on there was posted by Magicbullet86, without this i still wouldn't understand so thankyou. Anyway his reply was this...

"Remember that all you past lifes are recorded, so even if a member of your family does reincarnate and begins a new life, your memories will never diminish. Sort of like "Hey! Remember me! I was your brother in another life!" "Sure i do Bob! What a great time we had!"

They won't look at you like a stranger... they'll still hold the same love and affection as they did on Earth"

And although that opens up more questions, (what doesn't) i like that. It shows we are still who we are, just more experienced, we can never change our energy, our essence our soul, its just there we can understand more, but still remember everyone how we did, we will all be friends and can laugh about our funny times and experiences on Earth with each other Cheesy.

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Reply #2 - Sep 18th, 2005 at 3:22pm
 
I agree Ryan, you have a very healthy outlook my opinion. JG, I always appreciate your thoughfulness here. you always bring refreshing viewpoint also. lovely picture too, reminds me of the deep thinker pose and your posts reflect that you do think deeply.
my opinion Gordon did not lead you astray. I believe we can rest in the afterlife and do whatever takes our fancy as the individual that we are now at this moment. but I do believe change is consistent with evolvment of the soul. I don't think that we change overnight...it's more of a becoming process. we study on the other side too. many schools are available to choose from...schools of thought. take your pick, it's fun! don't have to pay rent while going to school either! if you need a good challenge, theres plenty of that to choose from. my sister trained horses, when she died she gravitated to her love of horses and aids these animals with her love and care. she told me this. she's a most forceful personality, darn near knocked me off my chair Grin when she came for a visit!

you can be you for as long as being you pleases you...how much better could it get? Grin

love, alysia
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Reply #3 - Sep 19th, 2005 at 4:25pm
 
Hi JG,
the closer I come to what I call my "Big I" in meditation, the more my here-and-now-person feels like a memory. I still have a viewpoint, but this person and the earth is so far away then.
This sort of meditation or mind journeys or OBE's are making me more aware of the mortality of all physical beings. So there is a farewell-sadness. This -for me- is the price of living in two worlds. But this kind of living, so I was told, is indeed bringing some new precious experiences "home" to my Big I, as you suggested it. And, of course, you begin more clearly to see what's important and what's not. Unfortunately, they (those beings above) tell me their wisdom in drops...it's part of the experience, they say.
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Reply #4 - Sep 19th, 2005 at 8:25pm
 
Spooky, I can always hear what u say. it resonates with me. to me I am aware of what looks like a speed up of time. the summer is now gone. I must prepare then. always is the sadness, but at the same time I am leaping for joy into the next day, whatever is there, and please make it a surprise! this can be arranged the guides will say. the spice of life is sometimes found in the surprises and how fast we can regain our lost footing. love, alysia
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Reply #5 - Sep 19th, 2005 at 8:35pm
 
The notion of reincarnation, or agreeing to the grand plan to be born back into the C1 world and have our memory temporarirly erased is proposed, but also debated.

I believe that if it truly happens, and we have free will, we must understand, and believe, no actually know with certainty, that we will rejoin our identity after the next cycle.  Although Bruce and others have witnessed and learned of these voluntary reincarnations, I have not yet experienced or verified it for myself.

I also believe in the interconnectedness of us all, and hence the idea that we may have relations/ties with other souls in a disk and indeed amongst each other.  Whether these lives are truly tied to us or whether we remember our past lives, I can not say.  I like what JG says about his individuality.  If you tell me that my "essence" was a farmer in the 1700s, I would respectfully say that while that farmer and I may share some conscious ways of thought, it was not me.  The "me" I use to define myself in C1, has no memory of it.  Without memory, experience, and integration, I truly feel that this farmer was not me, but a connected soul.

The most advanced teachings of consciousness and spirituality talk about the unity of all things.  I believe that those who get caught up on past lives are holding onto those lives so tightly that they need to cycle like that.  Perhaps others do not need to recycle.

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Reply #6 - Sep 19th, 2005 at 9:01pm
 
Mathew said: Perhaps others do not need to recycle.
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agreed. apparently its not that important to think about if you are in the now moment. always there.
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I'm an ACIM student; not that I would call that a religion or even ask for agreement on what I believe, but would like to express my thought here what impressed me concerning free will, another debatable subject for some and which your post brought up for me and thank you for the chance;

the first thing I read when I opened the book floored me: it said "free will does not mean you can establish the curiculum; it means only that you can elect what course you wish to take within a certain time period."

so, in a sense it was telling me I wasn't going to get out of hard study in the matter of building a character, or building whatever, even say, building a life, or building a relationship as I participated in life to learn of how much free will I could engage.
to me we are always becoming even when we die we are still becoming because there's always something to find out about if u subscribe to the probe thesis.

and I also agree about our connections, that we are one entity on unseen levels as yet perhaps, and one evidence of that is how your thought, causes me to respond to you here with my own. it is a connection. love, alysia
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Reply #7 - Sep 19th, 2005 at 9:07pm
 
JG,

I don't know if reincarnation is real or not; however, I know that I have changed and evolved through time.  I am a completely different person than I was 20 years ago.   

I look back on that person and understand her joys and her sorrows but in this moment I do not feel that I am her. 

If reincarnation is real, perhaps it is like that.  It is wonderful to have an appreciation of oneself.  However, each moment contains a precious new self.  I don't see any conflict there.  We constantly embrace a new self.

In addition, perhaps there is a higher self which has access to all our "selves" and can sort through and view and even relive our favorite moments.  To do that with the ones you love would be a joy.  A bit like looking through a photograph album together.  But one that is living and interacting with you at the same time?

love, blink
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