I used to believe that if a civilization is developed enough to produce spaceships and travel through the universe they have to be peaceful creatures. So when I heard about abductions where the abducted one was wound or felt pain It sounds weird to me.  Now a days I`m no longer so sure.

I know that when we are out there (OBE) we will find different kind of “people”. There are the good ones and the ones who are not good yet, so I was wandering if some of such violent abductions stories could be some kind of OBE misunderstood.

Is it worth to be discussed?

Recoverer

Thank for your attention.

In the example you used here you was out of body (in the dream). This way I agree with you that they can’t really hurt us.  The question is. Are all the abductions a process that occurs when we are out of body? If not I think they could wound us if they wanted to. So it rises a question. Are they possible going to hurt Humans? If so why?

There is undeniable proof that Aliens are closer than you think. They have unbelievable technology that, if adopted by Earth, could create a Golden Age of peace, health and prosperity.

If they were malicious or negative in any way, I'm quite confident that they would have enslaved or destroyed us by now. 

I think you will find that the aliens commonly called the zeta, are working with us through the astral plane.They are responsible for the creation of the dream plane they assist us through there energy to creatively weave our thoughts into dreams.

The so called abductions happen only in the astral and anyone who has experienced recall of these encounters views them through there own belief system if you have fear you will experience a fear full recall.

I know I have fear for I have tried many times to overcome it , and as of yet I have not fully integrated my total being as my fear is holding me back. We are all one there is nothing outside of the self ,as the self is you, you are the creator of your world.

Either way, Kardec, I believe that we may not always be at peace or unafraid but we always are safe.

Love, Jean

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thanks, you seem to be the only one here who gets the idea....I'm glad you are here...


modify later: Everyone is getting the point here, I don't mean to say just Lights here gets it. I was just complimenting her. sorry for misunderstanding. we all have different viewpoints but we all seem to be right on and it's a good thread Kardec started and good conclusions. i too, think that the reason a craft can disappear from view so fast is they are dimensional shifting, like black holes maybe. unless they have a cloaking device which is also possible. also think that humans have guardians.. so that only the ones who have agreed beforehand on the experimentation process of dna, will actually seem as if they are abducted. they just don't remember their agreement. and u will note that generally, these abductions continue their whole life, so that leads me to think of pre-planning decisions. A few adductees have removed implants and just said no thanks...and I think they made a new decision then.
love, alysia

Lights, this thing we call integration, of all our parts, our conflicts of belief, true, seems to go on and on. but I've noticed that it seems to get easier over the years, which fly by for me as I am not young, although I am not old either insofar as years go. the integration we talk about, we may not agree always, what it is when we are not the same people we were, say, a few years back, that is all we know, that we act differently, and the experiences keep coming, yet in more positive ways than before. I speak for myself, but I do not feel different than others..I think it is a common human journey to integrate. as such even retrievals I see as a mass integration. especially self retrievals. no secret there, that we gather and integrate ourselves within self retrievals.
what you said about being self creators is how we do it..a simple change of mind, and we are expressing something quite different than before. a dear friend of mine has this tag now and I want to put it here as it touched me and seems to explain what happens in that process of integration:

You have the capacity to choose what you think about. If you choose to think about past hurts, you will continue to feel bad. While it's true you can't change the effect past influences had on you once, you can change the effect they have on you now.

-Gary McKay, Ph.D.

does anyone think maybe this is all there is? the choice we have in the now moment?

love and hugs, alysia

I've had the same feeling.

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