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aots33
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Focus 23 and 27 without a guide?
Sep 12th, 2005 at 1:39pm
 
I am 3/4 through AFTERLIFE KNOWLEDGE GUIDEBOOK and must say I am quite intrigued. I have been doing this it seems for a while now but without training. LIterally I did not know what it was called or the details of what it was about but the experiences have been profound. I have a concern though. Let me explain:

Two nights ago the vision of this child who was stuck in Focus 23 appeared.  I did not consciously ask for him to come, I did not ask a Helper to find him and I did not search this type of experience.  It simply came to me while I was "twilighting" about four in the morning in a semi-not-quite-asleep type of state. Might I state though it was quite OK with me to have this experience. It felt very right.

The child and I had a conversation which lead me to find out he was waiting for his Mother to return. His mother had told him to stay there in hiding and wait to be safe until she returned. Obviously she never did.  He was in hiding in about pre-WWII era (late 1930s maybe?) in a wooden shack type of thing in a run-down type of affected area of an inner city in Europe.  He was peeking out of a slit in the wooden siding of the shelter where he was hiding.  I took his earth age to be about 5.  He might have been Jewish.   

I was not conscious of a Helper bringing me to this child/soul, but did literally call in angelic help after our conversation.  Of course the child would not go with the two of them who came, but then I called again for his mother and a Helper came looking like his mother and the child went with her, delightedly.

My next vision was this child in a Park playing and happy. It concerned me he and Helper/mother were in the park for I thought something else would be happening.  Helper/mother let me know things were as they should be. I had the feeling I was not needed anymore.

A friend today told me about Focus 27 adn the Park. I had not gotten to that part in the book at that time and my friend who had lent me the book immediately showed me the part about the park at Focus 27. 

I am amazed to have had this experience without knowing anything about it.

Now, my concern:  I did not consciously go after this lost soul.  As far as I know it came to me.

And this is not the only time this has happened, but it is the only time I was able to know what to do because I had read some of the book.  I have always called in Help after the souls appear and it comes as the souls need evidently. 

But the Moen book says you ask for help BEFORE you find the souls, after you go searching.  I never have for I have never consciously gone searching.  They just come in meditation, or in twilight type of sleep. 

Is this pertinent?  Do I have a Helper I do not know about bringing me and these souls together?  There have been occasions where it is happening rather regularly in one sitting or one night and it gets to be quite fatiguing if I really need rest.  And there have been occasions where there have been no incidents for months!  But, my heart has a desire to help.

Why is it happening?  Are Helpers coming to me for a reason?  I find it quite effortless, but I have never been able to control it one way or another.  I have never sought this out. 

Going to an area of Poland where a concentration camp was soon and I need all the help I can get!  I feel lead to do this, and cannot state the reason why here except it is a past life thing. 

Any suggestions?

It is possible to rather control when it happens and when it does not, isn't it?   I guess that is the information I need the most for I have not been able to do that so far.

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Re: Focus 23 and 27 without a guide?
Reply #1 - Sep 12th, 2005 at 4:08pm
 
Hi there,

It sounds to me like you are the perfect type for doing retrieval work but you needed it pointed out to you what it was you had been doing. Perhaps a Helper has been guiding your to/through these retrievals and you just were not able to perceive the Helper.  Perhaps a Helper is trying to open you up to this.  I think even though you asked for help after your visions, you still were successful in helping the retrieval process.  How did you discover Bruce's books?  Can you tell us some more about your experiences with retrievals?

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Reply #2 - Sep 13th, 2005 at 5:47am
 
Hi aots33,
Bruce Moen, the TMI and others are teaching to do retrievals and to bring the memory of it back. There is no reason to wonder why some (or many) people do this without that sort of teachings.
Helpers/Guides often stay in the background. Like in a good school, they give you the help you need but not more so that you could learn as free as appropriate to your present state.
Why retrievals? Can't tell why this is in your special case, but see some possibilities: Simply to help, and/or to increase your awareness of the afterlife, using retrievals as sort of an entrance to further explorations.
My conscious retrievals mostly came when I want it or at least I was ready for it (sometimes surprisingly, too), sometimes I want it and nothing happens.
Guides or guidance are somehow connected to your bigger self, if not members or symbols of it. They lead you to size up your area of consciousness of how big you are.
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Reply #3 - Sep 13th, 2005 at 8:05am
 
Hi Friends

I’ve learnt that retrievals are sort of thing that has always existed in different cultures with different names. The main reason it usually is the main way to a further exploration of the afterlife is (in my opinion):

I – There are a plenty of spirits who doesn’t know what is happening due to their lack of knowledge so they need to be retrieved.

II – One who wants to go further in this subject has to learn to love, so the best way is to help who need it.

Usually we do it because before this live we decided that it would give our life a special worth.

Who knows…
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Reply #4 - Sep 14th, 2005 at 7:29pm
 
Hi there Aots33, you're a natural! everybody's right here, retreiving has been going on since time began. I think it begins to happen when your heart opens more to the suffering we see around us, and we begin to work the inner planes, almost unconsciously. the inner guides have to remain invisible to my perception so you can get your sea legs so to speak. same thing happened to me 20 yrs ago, what happened to you. I think you did good. I'm very happy you have joined us. welcome! and everybody who wants to do retrievals it's not so hard if you care about people. love, alysia
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Reply #5 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 5:00am
 
It is indeed about love and caring.  At least it is for me.  And also it seems to be growing in proportion to my spirituality. 

Interesting this has come up lately, for ALL of the retrievals I am getting seem to be concerning WWII in different ways.  Have been to the site of a gathering place for Jewish people in Belgium who were sent to Auschwitz adn got a HUGE confirmation there. Also am going to Auschwitz in mid October....it may be hard on me, for I am excessively empathic, but I am called to go there so I will.
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Reply #6 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 5:49am
 
Hi aots33,
feels good to hear that you're on a great mission it seems.
It just came into my mind, noticing your board-name, 1933 was the year Hitler and his gang became fully and openly empowered in Germany.
Bye, spooky
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