Hello:

Even though I've had spirit contact in many ways-dreams, visions, statements made by voices, being touched, flashing stars, experiences, intuitions, understandings, mental messages and dialogues-I have yet to have a prolonged dialogue that I can hear, nor have I seen a guide (except perhaps the first time I astral projected years ago).

Part of the reason for this might be that I still feel a little spooked about having a lenghty conversation with a voice I hear, or seeing a spirit.

Some people say that you can determine the authenticity of guide by what they communicate to you,  and by whether they try to force something on you.

Some people say that guides radiate love in a manner than enable you to trust them right away. Sometimes a guide will seem familiar.

For anybody who reads this post, what kind of initial experience did you have with a guide? Thank you for your help.

Hi Recoverer-
The guide you get seems to be the guide who is like you, or who fulfils your desires.

In regressions into the spirit state I often ask people to call out for a guide to find the resources in spirit, such as "the place of all knowledge". Only once was there a guide who seemed peculiar, dark hood, red eyes, led the woman through an iron gate into a castle where the "owner" tried to get her to join with him and stay forever. It took a change of her attitude to get her out of there.

The manner of communication seems to be pretty much any way you want. My Dad died in California, came to my office in Washington and told me a joke telepathically. No visible image, but I could see the network of connections that he was part of. (Rather than "disks" that Bruce saw, I saw "roots" because I'm tuned in on connective relationships, as opposed to substantive objectivations) Then he faded back into the tangle of interconnections.

Many people "hear" spirits talking, others see symbols, often people get their "book of life" and jump into the pictures to see what they're about, or they "read" the writing (most refer to it as some kind of symbolic representation that carries a dynamic quality) by putting their hand over the writing and "osmosing" the meaning. In spirit, many people I worked with have hired new guides who communicate in whatever mode their employer desires.

In my own everyday world I personally simply sense messages as "hunches", as if the message is telepathic. The "guide" I prefer is my image of God-Mind, so that makes sense. When I sense others, I generally "hear" them telepathically, which to me makes sense, since our primary awareness is affective, not rational. (For example, your stomach comunicates hunger by sensation, an affect, not as a symbol.) Otherwise, what I have chosen as a communication mode is a sort of symbolic logic and math that my "hunches" seem to produce readily, and that I can write down. This seems to arise from a large number of externally discrete individuals with radically different handwriting.

As far as I can tell, there's no danger in using a guide so long as you know it's a guide, and retain personal self-direction, instead of allowing the "guide" to become a dominant force. It's the cart versus horse idea. If you don't want to "hear voices", then select a guide, or mode of guidance, that gives you insights, feelings, a display of external symbolic messages ("Umm, two crows flying South. Must be time to phone my friend about that trip to Cancun.") or whatever you prefer.

dave

Thanks Kardec. All those books, and there's a lot of them, are free in PDF form. That's great. 

Love, Mairlyn

thats funny you brought up this question recoverer, as I was posting this thought on Linn's forum, which is sort of a branch off of this one.

I love this story: back in the 80's I was a reader of books as I am now. I had read about when the student was ready the teacher would appear. life at the time did not seem to be worth much. I thought to myself, well, I have heard of master teachers on the other side. I would surely like one of those for myself but I have also heard that the master will not come unless you are ready. and besides, I thought further, I am sure my vibrations are much too gnarly to attract a good teacher, that the master did not come to those who could not hear the truth. then I forgot I thought those things and kept reading, hoping to get enlightened or a tip here and there. then one day in my kitchen, I was rushing around doing stuff, multi tasking and juggling this n that sort of and I heard clearly in my head a thought inserted "I am with you now." a male vibration sound, but not audible to the physical ear. I stopped in my tracks and wondered if there would be more. there was not more. just that. I got a happy feeling then because the master had arrived and that meant I was not as gnarly as I thought in my vibrations or he would not say I am with you now. it's so good that we can be accepted just as we are, to enter like this, is like being loved, well, it is being loved. this a good thread, maybe we have some stories to tell? love, alysia

Hey,

Talking about guides I don't know what this is but quite interesting to me. On my first retrival witht the flooding i can't remember whether i met this person before or afterwards or during....And i forgot to mention in the post but remembered afterwards but then just kept for another time, which is now! lol

Well anyway what happened was in front of me suddenly was a man, and i can remember how he looked, shaven head, seemed quite small, glasses and wore a red/yellowy type robe, he also seemed japanese i think. If i can say one person who i instanty think of when i think of him is the dali lama (sorry if name spelt wrong). That charisma, wisdom and just look this person had about them. Well i felt like i was above the scene, like in the clouds if you like, the scene was below me and this person was giving me guidence, I cannot remember the word spoken but it was seirous, but in a calm way. The man was also in front of a temple but as he was more in my view, like in my face view lol i didn't get to see much else around him. Maybe this was so i would remember the conversation....didn't work! lol wish i could. Would this be a contact with my guide or a guide??

Ryan

Ryan,

Yes I think this was a guide for you.  It is nice when we can remember the conversation but it doesn't always happen that way.  Perhaps his presence was his guidance for you and he was allowing you to move about on your own.  It will be interested to find out if you see or feel him again next time. 

When I met a Chinese man in a dream I knew he was a teacher and a guide.  He whispered something in my ear that made so much sense but he wasn't speaking in English, and I am not even sure what he was speaking.  But the words didn't matter because I knew what he was saying by the feeling I got from them.   
I'm sure if you think about it you will be able to remember the feelings that you got from him.

Vicky:

What you say makes a lot of sense, and I'm thinking along the same lines. For instance, I pay attention to my dreams closely, and what I see and experience in them say more than words can.

Regarding guidance, even since yesterday I received quite a bit. My guidance is really helping me out. It's teaching me how to rely on my heart. It's a good thing that I don't have to rely on my little bio computer.

As I implied, I haven't met mine face to face so I can have a long conversation with them. Nevertheless, I'm getting a lot of support from them in different ways.

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Vicky said:   Thoughts are energy that can move extremely fast.
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hi Vicky! this is a great post, at least I see it that way. I was even talking to you in my head this morning! lol. when I do that, it's very real for me, to feel my connections to others this way. I'd like to take your post line by line and exchange my ideas:
here what you say about thoughts are energy, is true, they do move faster than they do here, within physicality, we are a slowed down vibratory rate. on the other side, we received what Monroe termed "rotes". a compiliation of thoughts, all condensed and vibrating at a different speed...that's why sometimes, it seems to be "extremely fast."
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Vicky continues:
 When we think in our heads we slow down our thoughts and put them into feelings, pictures, and words in our head.
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Me:
exactly what I already said above, that we are thinking more slowly in C1. this is one reason we are given symbols, as a picture can indeed say a thousand words, and it is up to us to decipher the image, or even the feeling which is just as important as an image, or as receiving sentence structure is.
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Vicky said:
 So when we want to pose a question or wonder about something, and we try to put it into words, we are slowing down the process.
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Me: to my pov Vicky is trying to understand the two vibratory rates of thought within physical and non/physical areas..how it works..the act of putting a question into words is actually starting to connect itself to the answer..but the act of creating the question is no less important than the receiving of the answer, which comes in image, words, or feelings. I base this on my personal believe system "no question is there that does not have an answer" as they are parts of the same thing.
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Vicky said:
 In actuality, the very inkling of a moment that you began to think about your thoughts, that energy has already formed and "flown away", and the work you put into it by wording it is not actually necessary
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well, I kind of disagree that wording is not necessary, as I have a dead preacher in my disc, and he would always tell me that "I must learn to speak the word."
but I think that you will be able to clarify this statement that you are working on, because it is so easy for us here to misinterpret what is said.
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Vicky said:

(unless it helps you to remember better).
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ok, ha ha! indeed. is a good thing to remind myself every chance or I would forget my head when going out the door! it is clarified.
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Vicky said:

 But what I'm saying is, when we "send out" these thoughts and questions, we don't realize that the answer will come back and when it does it will be very fast as well, especially if you are truely "connected" as you get when meditating.
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Me:  we forget. we treat and move our feet. forgetting is so easy here. we release the thought also. we forget perhaps, we have even asked for what we have asked to know. we get a surprise! this is fun. also Vicky talks about connecting as in an altered state: when u ask for something, an answer, if works better if u are feeling connected to the answer, that you feel you can be receiving it soon...then I release, after I "feel" I should. some call this faith. you just know what u know. it is a very very nice feeling. it's like PUL. you just know.
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Vicky said:
 The answers coming in as pictures is the fastest way for the information to get relayed to your subconscious mind.
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exactly...we said this above. it's faster, what we need to do is deal with the interpretor part of the brain then, so that we interpret correctly. we are going to interpret through our own personal belief systems...so if we have two belief systems in conflict, one with the other, we need to work on ourselves, to be able to interpret correctly. this is where we might experience a crash or two.
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Vicky said:
 It is the conscious mind that takes information and translates into words that we can then make sense out of.  That is a process that takes time because it is conscious effort on our part, that slowing-down process.
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this is important: that slowing down process is relative. for instance, I have taken as much as 3 years to assimilate one experience and interpret it correctly. and even so, I find I am continually reassessing my interpretation..so go figure! I hope to speed up my assimilation process!
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 That's why I say just being reflective will bring out the info into words for you.  It is not lost.  You may have not even realized you had certain thoughts before the pictures started coming, then you started really thinking it out.  It seems like a backward process almost.
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I have also noticed within obes everything looks backwards..then also civilization also looks backwards in regards to spiritual values...it's like we turned ourselves inside out in order to become physical beings..
here Vicky tells us to be reflective..like a mirror...reflect what you are feeling onto the mirror of your mind...those certain thoughts that you had way back when, they are revealed on the mirror of the mind within reflection. C1 is limited to a slower vibratory rate, a certain focusing of awareness...to do these explorations we discuss is to widen our awareness and focus on new ideas of exploring the human, the total human which also contains your spirit, which was from the beginning. you are a spirit having a physical life. not a physical being wondering if you have a spirit. thats why it seems backwards. when most of us realize our greater selves the world starts changing for the better..exiting, isn't it? love you all, love talking here. alysia

In response to Ryan's question...

I don't know how many guides we have.  They seem to each have their own characteristics and purposes in helping us.  Maybe they just pop up when their need arises.

Hey Alysia and Vicky,

what you said sounds familiar! When I was once in F27 exploring some centers the beings there came over with so much stuff and I was translating as good as I could and repeat it into words (which is my method to take it with me to write it down later but I have to wonder if that is needed if it's possible to access the rote while writing after the actual meeting) that I thought my brain must start to smoke the next second. Felt like after an important test back in school, pressure on the head. And there was really much to write down, much too much if you compare it with a normal C1 conversation. I had the impression that in the information I got was included the message, that it is not the "reality" but in a form which comes as close to it as possible due to my capacity of understanding.

Vicky wrote:
>>>If all that we experience is in our subconscious, that doesn't do us much good if we can't still bring it to the conscious level.<<<
Today I imagined meeting a person whom I don't met physically, but had contact via mail. I knew he is on a spiritual journey but a different way than mine. So I met him in my mind:
He, or a part of him, said: "Oh, hi, you do this things? Lot of practicing?"  I: "Well...Can you do this too? I mean, will you remember for example this meeting?"  He: "No. Not in conscious awareness. But it is not needed. Even if I am not aware of it, it has consequences in the physical life, my subconscious is leading me, that's the right way for me!"  I: "Hmm, I need the conscious memory cause life would be too boring and meaningless to me without this stuff."
You know, this is probably an expression of the variety of living the life and spiritual ways (I think).

Bye, spooky

yes, was just thinking Spooky, recoverer and Vicky and everybody, about something interesting. if I want to remember a dream, or a PE meeting, or just about any memory or experience, I work with the emotion that was there, and somehow, by feeling it again, the same feeling it's like unrolling a rote...now if I want to put it into words, that seems to require a brain function. i do not think we take our brains with us out there all the more reason to develop another way of sensing.
love, alysia