Alysia,

In my view, Swedenborg and classical channeling independently confirm a different view of BM's Disk vision, i. e. that, based on the principle of like attracts like, small communities of separate souls merge and function exactly like a group soul.  They even appear to ES as a single being and share common thoughts.  Still, they refute rather than support reincarnation because they are a composite of originally distinct and separate souls.  Remember, that both ES and classical channeling come to this conclusion long before the soul Disk concept was formulated by BM.  So it's not as if they are arguing against a New Age concept.

Don

P.S. Oooh, I just noticed that I'm now a "Super Member" with 4 stars just like Bruce Moen.  And Roger B. is still a "Newbie" even though he's practically a founding member of this site.  Tsk, tsk!

Hi Alysia,

In my understanding, I would say that Bruce’s concept of his Disk vision is the same as what others call soul groups, RAM’s I/There or cluster group, Higher Self, etc. based on the principle of like attracts like.  For example a “hell” might also be considered this same concept in that souls are drawn together because of having like energy that formulates a hell.  Don, I see ES description of a “group soul” as being this same concept as well. 

Alysia, I think there are many ways to describe one’s understanding of the same concept.  As you know, each of us as individuals filter and view our experiences based on our own understanding.  For me, I tend to “feel” the energy flow of what someone else understands to see if it resonates with my own understanding.  This is what Bruce said he did as he attempted to explain his vision.  I think it’s also the same way in which Jesus and his disciples attempted to explain the trinity… God, Man and the Holy Spirit… as a concept that needs to be “caught” in order to be understood.  We seem to try to separate everything in order to try to explain it, but like you mention… just having the inner understanding of all of mankind being ONE is having “caught” this concept. 

Now days the trinity might also be understood as Universal Formless Energy (God) split into Energetic Form (Man) created from Pure Energy (Holy Spirit) or the consciousness of God (Universal Energy) each of us “feels” deep inside our being or the part of us that is never separated from God.  I also can liken the Holy Spirit with PUL and the “pull” Bruce talks about.  PUL being the nature of God (Universal Energy)… pull always attracting us back to God or the “stuff we are created of” because like attracts like. 

Yet at the same time, even our creations of what we call disease, pain, suffering, evil, etc. are still created with the same “stuff” or energy that we have distorted, but all is created from the same one energy.  This might be getting off track a little, but I think even the “plan of salvation” of mankind is built into Universal Energy because of the concept of like attracts like.  No matter how many distortions ego causes us to create, we will still always be drawn to seek out our Source.  I think this can also be thought of as the intention of the deeper part of us that is the Source of all.  We as co-creators have merely distorted this intention because we have separated ourselves from it.  By aligning with our ego self, we created fear and thus created distorted intentions, yet these intentions are never separate from the Source… they just give us the impression of duality which creates the belief in separation.  I don’t know if this makes sense or not, but I’m out of time for now.    

Don, I’m confused about what you believe reincarnation is.  My take on this is that reincarnation of a personality is not impossible because anything is possible, however, I would think that reincarnation as such would be highly unlikely because Universal Consciousness is ever expanding, therefore, I don’t think Consciousness would choose this.  Incarnation of a fragment of HS Consciousness retaining memory (karma) of the soul group or higher self seems more likely to me.  Since Consciousness is always expanding… more fragments of consciousness are created and incorporated into an individual’s being and experience based on the concept of like attracts like.  I think when we connect with Consciousness of Higher Self the person tapping into this HS memory views and relates past lives as being their own because they also “feel” ONE with HS.  In other words… could they be speaking from the perspective of HS and thus interpret self as all selves?  I can see why confusion arises in people’s minds because of our critical thinking abilities, but does it really matter? 

Congratulations Don on your new five star status accomplishment!  Also, if anyone such as Roger B wants their status returned to what it was before the board crash, I believe Allen has offered to do that.  I believe he said to just email him.  Sorry I don't remember which thread.            

Alysia, I’m glad you started this thread.  Makes me want to think deeper about all of these things!

Love, Kathy

yes, kathy, it is a deep vision. I am trying to receive more information by being quiet all day today. thanks for your points...I am quoting some of Bruce's vision here to comment on but I really hope that the good folks here will read the entire article so we can talk some more on this thread. you know how I love to talk! (PULL?)   some of that I've extracted from the vision relates to the question of reincarnation which may address it better than I could. the places where I put these ( brackets is my own comment.
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Curiosity launches its probes.
Unhindered by....time/space, (linear time) Curiosity was free to chose any where or any when in earth's future, past or present. These any wheres and any whens would serve as starting points for the probes.(the film, the movie; anywhere/anytime frame) Pinpointing patterns (patterns, like personality composites of emotional, traits, strengths, weaknesses) within the Pull (PULL, like gravity pull, like a strong desire to be born) not yet fully explored, Curiosity launched its probes into times and places in the physical world. Oh sure, they would be lost in the Pull as they followed their patterns, but they would be gathering all along their way. Through their filaments of awareness Curiosity would receive knowing of their every move. And of course Curiosity would send, from each part of its Self on the Disk, guidance through the twists and turns of paths. This Guidance was Curiosity's attempt to maintain a probe's focus on its intended purpose. Experienced as feelings, thoughts, visions, intuitions, dreams and such by the probes, Curiosity could suggest places to explore and things to do. Traveling through the filaments of awareness from the Disk this guidance would assist the probe. And back from the probe, through the same filaments would come the experience and knowing of more patterns in the noise.
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my comment:
I am reconnecting with the disc. I feel this within me. I speak for myself. I like this passage because I am receiving through dreams, intuitions, feelings, visions, thoughts, just as related above, the evidence that we are all connected within the human experience of I/there. I am, too, too, happy about it of course! at these times of being too too happy at what's happening, guidance immediately steps in to sober me up: don't u love this balancing thing guidance does? (just me sharing myself here; is what I love to do)
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more from Bruce's vision
Adding to the Disk.

Curiosity had known all along it was bound to happen. Eventually one of its probes would begin to wake up and remember the origin of its curiosity. Once in a great while a probe came back to the Disk during one of its dreams. Probes hardly ever remembered the encounter after they left and reentered the distraction of the physical world. In fact during the dreams of probes was almost the only time Curiosity could communicate directly with them in any way. Even then their entanglement in the Pull usually distorted the communication so badly that such contact rarely added much direction to the lives of probes in the physical world.
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my comment:
here is where distortions are talked about regarding the dream landscape I study as well as obes.
here is where we study the interpreter part of the mind according to our own personality and emotional makeup. here is where we find limited C1 consciousness operating. here is where we each step in to provide a piece of the puzzle, but never is it given to us to provide the entire picture without assistance by one another and by that connection we each have through the filament, we have before termed God.
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It was always a treat when a probe began to wake up. (this statement is why I am too happy at times, the word treat, my dear Bruce, is such an understatement, I shall have to do u one better my friend insofar as that single word goes!) It usually happened when they became curious about who and what they were. Some of them even found the Disk. It was a special treat when the probe had enough awareness to remember the contact.(here Bruce adds the word “special” ha ha! right on Bruce!) The more they remembered the greater the chance they would wake up on their own. When they did, wake up that is, they remembered the origin of their curiosity. That sometimes started a process(focus on the word process here, and u get a clue of the word PULL) of remembering that could culminate in a probe rejoining the Disk. When these probes rejoined the Disk they did so as new and distinctly different members of the Disk.(I understand this new and distinct, different members to be the result of living a life well by gathering experience, therefore each new incarnation of the disc IS new, not the same exact personality but a composite of new dimensions, enhanced by the previous life but still new) They had been assembled as unique combinations of original Disk members and as such returned with unique understandings of the Pull. This was highly prized as it opened up so many more possibilities with which the noise of the Pull could be probed. As probes returned and remembered their origin, all they had gathered could be used to fashion new probes. Knowledge grew at an ever increasing rate as probes became capable of encompassing more and more of the Pull. This whole process had been going on for a very long time and the members of the Disk, all the parts of itself Curiosity had become, numbered in the thousands.
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here is where it says the disc numbered in the thousands. since I am not a mathmatician, nor am I a scientist, yet I am so respectful of Einstien, I still yet am a composite, a probe with my own emotional makeup and so forth, and so I am still at 'one" with you all. true, like attracts like, and we are all gathered here to explore these ideas, and so in that sense like is attracting like, either here or there. yet at the same time as probes, if you all submit that we are always questioning everything here as we go along, that we also do make dives here to be attracted to opposition. and so the saying goes, opposites attract as well for learning, for probing unknowns.
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the last part of Bruce's vision:

Winking Out?
In Bob Monroe's description of his I/There or Cluster he talked about watching as the last member of another cluster returned. He described that when this happened the cluster would wink out, it would disappear. He speculated that such a cluster might decide to create It's own reality, somewhere else. Perhaps this new reality would effect the experience of other probes it caught in orbit. Perhaps it would make a better world. I have not yet personally witnessed a cluster winking out so I don't know if that part is true. When I do maybe I will find more beyond that point to tell.
I hope you have been able to listen to my story about Curiosity with your feelings. If you listened to the words it probably sounded confusing. As I have continued to explore the New World of the Afterlife I have gained more insight into the vision of the Disk. It seems to suggest that we all exist simultaneously in many different locations. The Afterlife contains more than just dead people. We who consider ourselves to be alive live there too. I don't yet feel I know all of what that vision means, but I do know, I am Curiosity.
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I have not seen nor experienced a disc winking out either and so Bruce says he does not say this is true. this is for us to find out and live our lives as we can according to the highest good that we can fathom and not be worrying what this means to "wink out." suffice it to say surely the world is unfolding as it should whether we agree or disagree with our perceptions of it. however, we are "Curious" are we not?
I have it from a good source, a member of my own I/there, that plans for continuance of our lives are even now under construction as we speak, for building a better world, a different world perhaps than the one we now find ourselves on. we shall see what we can do!

we can certainly come together here on the observation that the afterlife contains more than just "dead people."    (thank you Bruce, perfect words) to start to remember through dream, obes, intuitions, feelings that we do indeed live now within the afterlife is a good point to leave you with now. as this is how I experience it, that another "me" does live there "now" within the afterlife. you may see it as living that life through the filament mentioned in the vision, where a constant stream of signals are running back and forth between my greater self and my limited C1 self here.
thank you all for reading this.
if any of you got anything out of this to ponder on, I wish to say it could be because you are mine, and I am yours. at any rate, I am glad you are here and more than glad I salute each and everyone of you for your struggles and for sharing yourself the way you have!

ALYSIA!!!!!!!     I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU!!!

You have completely and totally just stole my idea for a thread!!  I took Voyages Into The Unknown to work with me this morning because I told myself I needed to re-read Bruce's disk vision meaning!!  I was going to do exactly what you did....now I am so shocked.  This is me...

But you did a much better job than I could have so thanks!  Ha ha

I just love the way he wrote this story of his, and that he said to listen to it with your feelings.  I liked the part about Guidance and how it works.  It made me feel good just reading it today.  Someone came by my desk and asked what I was reading and I tried to explain but obviously she wasn't ready for it!  She quickly changed the subject.   

I think the reason I thought of reading this today is  because I know how my own curiosty works.  If I really really want to know something, then things start happening around me that answer my questions.  And I want to understand my own Disk and higher self and all that.  I want to have visions and experiences popping up that help me learn my past.  I'm not quite really very interested in this life's past, but I'm talking about bigger stuff than that.  I have spent most of my life trying to forget a lot of this life's past, and I know I am afraid to start getting into retrieving parts of myself because I am afraid to remember a lot of it. 

Well, after I get over my shock I will hopefully have more meaningful stuff to add to this thread. 

Hey Spooky, I'm glad you have your own "Disk" story! 

Love Vicky

I believe you, and I wouldn't call myself easily impressed, but I am indeed impressed!!

When the idea entered my mind, it came in as "ok, I really need to read up on Bruce's Disk idea, have to really read it again and understand it.  I feel like maybe starting a thread about it, maybe even copying in some of Bruce's own material so we can all talk about it".  So as I was reading it today at work it just rang in loud and clear and I was overwhelmed with understanding it and loving it.

This is kind of funny, but at work I was thinking, "Huh, why did I decide to start a thread about Bruce's Disk idea?  And wouldn't it be weird to copy it all into a thread when he's got it somewhere here on the site anyway?"  Weird or not, I was going to do it anyway.

I love it! 



Okay, so now does this mean that I don't have to take responsibility for half the thoughts that go through my head?   

Well since we've officially met out there, will you help me with me doing a self retrieval next time we meet?  This isn't exactly a test, I really do want to figure out the self-retrieval aspects and I admit I am afraid.  But only afraid of memories from this current life, not afraid of memories from past lives.  But after reading your recent forgotten child retrieval, I thought you are probably the perfect person to assist me. 

So, is assistance in self retrieval acceptible?
Love ya,
Vicky

I too think so, Alysia.
I added a p.s. to my above post, but it isn't much new stuff in it.
All cool? bye, spooky

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Hi Spooky, hows it goin'?  I think it's so unique to be a color slinger who eats energy   you know theres something to it. I have never gone back so far as you have, that is very far indeed. I can relate in this way, that within my journeys out there, on about 3 or 4 occassions my energy turned into a whirlwind and I could not find myself as a form, I must say I had a very good time on every occassion. so that is why I believe the body is simply a grounding device for slowed down energy within this dimension only. of course I do think there are other planets of similar physical density, slowed down spirit within matter. so there is much exploration to be about, isn't there?
talk later my friend, alysia