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The Trans-Temporal Being of the Soul
Sep 10th, 2005 at 9:29am
 
Originally from the discussion thread, "Do you believe some animal are humans incarnated?" :


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Interestingly, I have had several instances in which people reported being reincarnated out of temporal sequence, so the report might be literally valid after all. That's why I thought it worth sharing. For example, a person might report one life in the 1800's, the next in the 1200's, then next in 1700's or 1900's whatever.  This is also uncommon.

One other thought, though, is that when I run a session, after going through a death sequence, and the person is reporting experiences in the astral, I often tell people to hold their place in the astral, so I can send them to use various resources in that state. It is possible that the regression backwards to become a rabbit was of this type, a sidetrip occurring by displacement of the viewpoint to a prior event long past, while she remained otherwise on the main forward path, perhaps in some kind of psychic limbo, which is kinda what Kardec was suggesting. Thus this might have been either an actual digression to being a rabbit, or a return to a prior incarnation not otherwise recalled. dave



Thanks Dave, for bringing up this topic for discussion, and for your sharing regarding this phenomenon. Our observation and perspective of this is in agreement with your own, and we merely wish to briefly add to this.

Certainly a most fascinating topic, and one that beautifully demonstrates the temporally transcendant nature of the human soul. This is not 'time travel' per se, or at least not in the way some might misunderstand (the concepts of time and travel across it).

First, let us begin with a simplified example of reincarnation seemingly non-linear in the temporal sense. During past life regression, a soul first recalls a past life during 500 BC, then the next incarnation (recalled in sequence) takes place in 1000 AD, and then the next incarnation (recalled in sequence) after that takes place during the time of Christ.

And yet, clearly, the sequence is not random, but meaningful. This is the part which some find disturbing, because it appears to imply time travel across the normal temporal sequence of the physical universe, which is physically illogical and impossible (within a single space-time continuum reality, without crossing over to alternate universes, which incidentally and naturally, are infinite in number).

Now, in order to explain the phenomon on several different levels (or aspects), we shall use a number of simplified analogies.

A person applies for a University course. Due to his unique subject combination (ie. stories of the soul), and the available timetable schedules of the University (ie. dense physical opportunities), he may experience the following :
 
 
Semester 1

Calculus I
Genetics II
Quantum Physics I


Semester 2

Calculus III
Genetics I
Quantum Physics IV


Semester 3

Calculus IV
Genetics III
Quantum Physics II


Semester 4

Calculus II
Genetics IV
Quantum Physics III


Of course, such 'jumping across' modules are not always possible, as many modules have modular prerequisites, though not necessarily all, nor always compulsory. And yet, there is meaningful sequence, recognized subconsiously by the student throughout, and also upon graduation (ie. by the higher self who experiences across all incarnations), to the labelling of the modules as I, II, III and IV (ie. progression of learning experiences of a mult-faceted story)


Another analogy (for the more computer technology inclined), would be the way data is stored on a harddisk. A certain file (ie. stories of the soul), would be chopped up into many pieces and stored across the harddisk. When the Operating System (OS) (ie. higher self) accesses these bits and pieces of data, it will assemble them not in chronological [ie. temporal) order in which these were stored (ie. experienced) on the harddisk (ie. dense physical), but rather assembled and used in the order of meaninful sequence as per the underlying intention of the OS (ie. higher self) which chose to spread it out across the harddisk in the first place.

 
Thus, during regression, as well as from the perspective of the higher self (who exists and operates not only within time, but across it), the person would recall the sequence of past lives in the most didactically / pedagogically / spiritually meaningful sequence, with regards to specific issues or 'stories of the soul', rather than in the (much less meaningful) temporal sequence.


The next aspect we wish to emphasize as being important to understand, is the nature of the soul and its relationship with the nature of time. The soul certainly does travel across time, but *not* in the physical sense, ie. not 'against' the natural temporal sequence of the physical space-time continuum, as conceptualized by hollywood movies such as "Back to the Future", or the more recent "Star Trek Enterprise" TV series, etc.

(Such time travel technologies *do* indeed exist, and are studied and developed extensively by certain extraterrestrial civlizations who specialize in this complex science, but this entails crossing space-time continuums into what are known as 'alternate universes', and is quite a separate topic from the temporally transcendent nature of the soul we are speaking of here).

The hypnotherapist, especially those who correctly utilize Past Life Therapy (PLT), Life-Between-Life (LBL) regressions, Spirit Releasement Therapy (PLT) for the maximum benefit of their subjects, will better understand how the consciousness of the soul, travels across time. This is itself, demonstrated by regression. We do not refer to simply passive recall of events, but indeed, an active learning, healing and progression during these regressions.

For instance, regressing out of body to a past life in which a traumatic incident occurred, the consciousness of the past, experiencing the full blast of the trauma, and not having the post-experience wisdom of the present day consciousness, might be severely agonized and fragmented. Going back (extraphysically) to the past, the present day consciousness might share its wisdom (and support and love), in terms of the fuller picture, why the experience occurred, what it really meant, the higher perspective, with the consciousness of the past, it's own past life self. The healing which takes place, including reintegration of energies, verily occurs across time.

In other words, the soul does not travel against time in the physical, to be precise, the soul travels across time *within* itself (its multi-dimensional and trans-temporal self).

Because the past life You, the present life You, the future You; they are *all* YOU (the one same YOU). And thusly, not only can You travel across time, you certainly DO! (ie. by virture of your simultaneous existence across time!).

Now, you don't need hypnosis to travel across time, you can (and already often) do this, travelling across time in your consciousness, as you recall the past, imagine and connect with the future, etc. However, for the majority of intraphysical humans, due to lack of public eduation on the multi-dimensional and multi-temporal nature of reality and of the human soul, most people do not utilize this to their benefit, nor (utilize this understanding) anywhere near their own potential for karmic learning and spiritual evolution, across all their issues.

Hence, for the reader who has now firmly decided to maximize his/her evolution and existential potential (including completion of current incarnation's existential program)

Note, in addition, that due to the trans-temporal capacities and flexibilities of the soul, you need not worry that, "What if my current lifetime is meant to 'suffer' the consequences of a 'future' lifetime not yet lived, thanks a bunch, higher self!", which is of course nonsense (and for many reasons). That is to say, the greater overall picture, the greater trans-temporal and multi-incarnational jigsaw of the higher self or Soul's mosaic picture, is subject to flexible input from each and all of it's incarnations across time; to be precise, the consciousness can experience, and benefit from, across any of the incarnations across time, and alter the greater Soul mosaic picture, at any time, because the Soul exists simultaneously across time. It transcends time.

That is to say, and here is the great important lesson, that so long as you maximize your current present existence and incarnation to the best of your efforts and capacity, you have (in a very *real* way) the capacity and power to alter your Soul's piture, (and hence) compulsorily including (the consciential significances of, and lessons from) your past lives and (the natural consequent details of, nature and destiny of) your future lives. All of this, right now, in the present. And this you have the power to do, always.

This communication above, is of incredible importance, as it has the power to turn around or transform all manner of tragic energies from past lives (eg. such as the traumatic pain of cruelly forced separation from a loved one in a past life, etc), into no less than profound enlightenments in the present, that not only dramatically shifts the energies of the past from the darkness into the light, but as well powerfully alter the karma for this issue and the future consequences in relation to the relationship or issue.


At this point in the discussion, in which we now come to a close, there are several highly relevant related subject areas for the interested reader to peruse, if he/she/you have not already done so.


Byron Katie's Inquiry Process (turning around trauma from the past and present, greatly accelerating karmic growth, and CLEARING the way for the future) :

http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#ByronKatie



Hilarion Reading (ask Hilarion for advice and illumination on your karmic issues, that express themselves across lifetimes, from their physical 'origin' in past lives, to their expression in the present lifetime, how to most effectively work with them, etc) :

http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#Hilarion
   
 
 
Heart.Of.God meditation (on connecting with yourself across lifetimes with Love, on transcending Time with Love, etc) :

http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/MeaningOfGod.htm
 
 
 
Hilarion on Deja Vu (on working consciously and powerfully with the 'leap across time' that is DejaVu, to maximize existential potential and evolution; reaching back in time to a past self hence building a bridge across time and allowing your future self to reach back in time to your present) :

http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/sum02.html#DejaVu

 
 
Charles Breaux's "The Way of Karma" (case studies of past lives of a dozen different individuals; the narrative is thematically and karmically lucid, and beautifully illustrates not only 'temporally non-linear reincarnation', but also the trans-temporal nature of the soul as it experiences itself across lifetimes) :

http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/WayOfKarma/index.htm
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Reply #1 - Sep 10th, 2005 at 5:23pm
 
Hi Kyo-
Forgive me for not following the links (busy day), and just reading the post. I essentially agree with you.

Relative to the woman who was a woman, then a rabbit, then a woman, in my estimation, she had made a past life regression while she was in the astral, and then came forward into the enxt life.  But - since I wasn't directly aware of the details, I can't say for sure.

What I have more trouble understanding is the people who have lives that jump here and there through time, with only a generally forward looking trend. The idea of  putting together experiences that were acquired in a different order leaves me wondering thow they would have gotten through experiences for which they were not as yet prepared.

Using a multiple aspect model of creation,  I see the creation process as initially establishing the potentiality for creation to occur, an infinitely expanding web of inferences with serial dependency, but initially arising out of time as an ordinal sequence. Then the various [potential abstractions that might be made similarly are implied, spreading out as another mesh of causalities. Then third order, fourth order etc levels of abstraction similarly expand ordinally. Eventually, one of these expanding systems will carry relationships equivalent to those in a sentient being that operates by deliberation under feedback. Thus, we arise as organizations of potentiality. Our space of experience is logically relational, but extended only in potentially. Thus, it is dynamic, nothing existing at "absolute zero" or in wholly static form, and manifestation only occurs during the dynamic change.

Given this scenario, we are following pathways (worldlines) through pre-existing potentiality, rather like walking along the preplanned sidewalks of a strange city. I suspect that there are ways in which we can abstract ourselves from this process to experience things in other sequences, but I have as yet to figure out just how. Nevertheless, this would allow the actor to jump about through time and space, quite possibly substituting other subjective realities that are past in their universe, for those that are still future in our universe. This involves little more than shuffling causal attributes around in the sequence in which they are experienced.

I was at a conference last month in which I was on a past life panel with Dick Sutphen. He has the idea of multiple manifestations of the same single psyche, rather like playing several games of chess at once, each one seeming complete. That would be another approach.

I have tried to get my future self to send me back guidance, and I've had some luck, although that could be done a-temporally as well.

I put somewhat detailed instructions for past life regression on my site if you want to check it out for yourself.  I'm interested in any feedback. I'll see if I can get to your suggested references tomorrow.
mind-body-spirit-hypnoclinic.com

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Reply #2 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 3:59am
 
Hi Dave,

I've read many of your posts here on the AFK forum, and I find that our views are in essential agreement for the most part, and appreciate the sincerity of your sharing (of your findings, ideas and intention towards assistantiality).


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Umm, the link in your post (preceeding this) appears to be broken (it's has Bruce's afterlife-knowledge domain as a prefix), and not your correct website URL, so perhaps you might like to edit it.

In addition, you might also wish to add your link to Bruce's Visitor's Link section here :
http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-afterlife-knowledge/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=l...


The world needs many more professional therapists like yourself who provide invaluable services to countless individuals, with your embracing of multidimensional and multimillenial therapy modalities including Past Life Therapy, Spirit Releasement Therapy and Life-Between-Life regressions.

The role of professionals such as yourself in the much needed re-education of society with regards to the multidimensional reality, the greater picture, for more wholistic healing of the agonizing psychoses sufferred (unnecessarily) by society (both intraphysical and extraphysical), and is acknowledged and most respected.

Thanks Dave,
Kyo


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For your information, if you (Dave, and everyone else too) might ever fancy a highly technical discussion with someone regarding your work (whatever your line of work might be), regarding your ideas, and/or your research (eg. discussion on various models of reality), but (to put it bluntly) can't seem to find anyone who correctly understands what you're attempting to communicate, then you'd be happy to know that Jon C Fox offers non-personal Hilarion channelings as well, what they call, Research Channelings from Hilarion. Scientists and researchers across all fields, from practicing psychologists to molecular biologists to engineers and quantum physicists, often do Research Channelings with Hilarion to hear out Hilarion's input or perspective on their research or area of work.

Hilarion (Personal and/or Research) Channelings :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#Hilarion
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Reply #3 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 11:11am
 
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Umm, the link in your post (preceeding this) appears to be broken (it's has Bruce's afterlife-knowledge domain as a prefix), and not your correct website URL, so perhaps you might like to edit it. 


Just put a www. in front of it and it works. Wink

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Reply #4 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 7:21pm
 
Thanks Marilyn-
Let me try that -
www.mind-body-spirit-hypnoclinic.com
OK, that should work. I'll post and check it out.

Assuming that it's OK, I've addesd a crude, but effective, regression script to my site under "stuff to read etc". For most people, it should be more than adequate.
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Reply #5 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 10:26pm
 
Kyo, I know you work with Hilarion a lot and I have a little story of personal interest remotely tied in with this entity name of Hilarion.
I do trust him implicitely because I knew a minister within a church of the Spiritualist Church, in Long Beach CA back in late 60's, this minister branched off from that church to form one, of which I was a member a few years or so, called The Church of the Seven Rays. It's not that I knew Hilarion as I did not. I was under 21 and very green kid. but this fellow whom I followed around initials of LB said his guide was Hilarion and that he channelled him. I never questioned, I just knew I was among them for a reason. I got a reading from LB as concerning what was on my menu and he described a man I would meet and have a female child. I assumed he had spoken to Hilarion before our meeting. the man he described fit my future husband to a T, and the child was born, a female, but there were twins. he missed that part. or maybe he thought I would fly off the handle, as I did freak out with him and did not accept that marriage was so soon on the agenda and a child. I had not met him yet, but it would be soon after this.
just thought I'd mention this fellow was someone I looked up to and I thought it a little ironic that I meet you about 40 years later and find the timeless Hilarion is still among us! love, alysia
ps, is Hilarion not one of the what was called then The Great White (flame?) Brotherhood? also they were called the ascended masters.
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Reply #6 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 10:58pm
 
Dear Alysia,

Thank you for sharing your personal story, I can indeed share in your joy in the familiarity you experienced 40 years ago with Hilarion, across time right to the present connection again. It's really heartwarming to "find the timeless Hilarion still among us!"

Yes, Hilarion is the Ascended Master and Chohan of the Fifth Ray, the Emerald Ray.

He was also Plato the Philosopher.

What is particularly wonderful and gratifying, is Hilarion's remarkable willingness to connect, work and assist with people on an individual basis, via his Personal Readings (as well as scientific Research Readings).

Some get automatically (and overly) suspicious when they hear about psychic Readings, especially paid ones.

The thing they don't consider is, Hilarion's doing it for free, on his part. And Jon C Fox, the channeler and professional engineer, is charging the nominal fee only for his own time and energies (without the nominal fee, such services would easily be abused).

Thanks again, Alysia.

The Hilarion section of my webpage (includes suggested questions you can ask in a personal Reading) :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#Hilarion

The official (Jon C Fox's) Hilarion website :
http://hilarion.com/



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Kyo, I know you work with Hilarion a lot and I have a little story of personal interest remotely tied in with this entity name of Hilarion.
I do trust him implicitely because I knew a minister within a church of the Spiritualist Church, in Long Beach CA back in late 60's, this minister branched off from that church to form one, of which I was a member a few years or so, called The Church of the Seven Rays. It's not that I knew Hilarion as I did not. I was under 21 and very green kid. but this fellow whom I followed around initials of LB said his guide was Hilarion and that he channelled him. I never questioned, I just knew I was among them for a reason. I got a reading from LB as concerning what was on my menu and he described a man I would meet and have a female child. I assumed he had spoken to Hilarion before our meeting. the man he described fit my future husband to a T, and the child was born, a female, but there were twins. he missed that part. or maybe he thought I would fly off the handle, as I did freak out with him and did not accept that marriage was so soon on the agenda and a child. I had not met him yet, but it would be soon after this.
just thought I'd mention this fellow was someone I looked up to and I thought it a little ironic that I meet you about 40 years later and find the timeless Hilarion is still among us! love, alysia
ps, is Hilarion not one of the what was called then The Great White (flame?) Brotherhood? also they were called the ascended masters.

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