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True or False?.
Sep 9th, 2005 at 4:06am
 
I read somewhere that when the soul has reached the highest stage of evolvement sometimes will choose to go back to God.
It does not mean death in any shape or form. The soul is conscious but would lose its identity and just be part of God. This is an irreversable process.
Have any of you, who can experience in other realms, ever get any information to confirm or disagree with this?

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Reply #1 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 5:04am
 
hey,

I'm not too sure on this but my views from what i've read would be yes we do eventually all become one. As we progress spiritually we evolve furthur and further and get higher and higher closer to God. At this point we can merge with God and i assume we lose our personality, or much rather join up with other personalities but i don't know about our conciousnesS? Maybe we lose this i don't know but i don't see how millions can share one "space".

However personally i wouldn't want to lose my identity i like who i am and always want to be me! lol. maybe this view will change when i pass over...

Also this leads to another question...If we all become one then what? What does this entity live? will it just live forever on its own with all the personalities/souls in the world? What will life be like if that day comes....whats the purpose?? and how was this all madE? how did it come about? Where was it from? So many more questions....aghhh! lol

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'Merging back with God', since when did you leave?
Reply #2 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 8:09am
 

There is no 'right' or 'wrong', only a sharing of perspectives. The phrase 'incorrect', that you see below, is then only a matter of relativity, ie. the concept is incorrect *as seen from the perspective* of the author, ie. whoever is saying "that idea is incorrect or inaccurate from our observation" in any discussion. Thusly, the opinions expressed herein do not necessarily bear any correlation to the 'correctness' of the reader's own ideas. That is for *only* the reader to determine for him/herself. No one else can tell you what is right or wrong. You must decide that for yourself, based on your free will and choice of perspective.


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As we progress spiritually we evolve further and further and get higher and higher closer to God.


Incorrect, or to be precise, statement is based on misconception on the matter. All souls are equally close to God.


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We do eventually all become one.


Incorrect, or to be precise, statement is based on misconception on the matter. You've never left the One.


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when the soul has reached the highest stage of evolvement sometimes will choose to go back to God.


Incorrect, or to be precise, statement is based on misconception on the matter. There is no 'highest stage of evolution', evolution is endless. Futhermore, the higher the evolutionary level, the more the soul realizes he/she/it has never left God.


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At this point we can merge with God and i assume we lose our personality, or much rather join up with other personalities but i don't know about our conciousnesS? Maybe we lose this i don't know but i don't see how millions can share one "space".


Incorrect, or to be precise, statement is based on misconception on the matter. 'Merging' of consciousnesses (not with 'God', who is all consciousnesses simultaneously), whether small scale (ie. individual, oversoul groups, etc) or large scale (ie. entire civilizations, across races, worlds, dimensions, universes, etc), do not entail any loss of personality or individuality, but rather the creation (to be precise, *realization*) of a greater interconnectivity, collectivity or universality, in addition to the personalities and individuality (that always existed and always will, as natural expression of the greater whole).

This ('merging' of consciousnesses, not 'with God') cannot be properly understood from the perspective of the individual who fears (False Evidence Appearing as Real) losing its individuality, but can only be understood (in Love) by the Collective (ie. OverSoul) who realizes it is also the individual(s), was always (all) the individual(s), and will always be (all) the individuals.


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The following two threads of mine (Kyo) are relevant to the above discussion, and perusal of the ideas communicated therein may be useful to the interested reader :


Reincarnation, Evolution and Serenissimus
http://infinity.hispeed.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1113602332

Incarnations & OverSouls (AFK Forum discussion)
http://infinity.hispeed.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1113196507
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Reply #3 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 9:28am
 
Good Morning!! Thanks Kyo for straightening this out.....I wasn't really looking forward to losing my identity in the end!! It took me alot of years to find it....sure as the sunrise every morning, I didn't want to lose it after all that hard work! Grin
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Reply #4 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 10:26am
 
its like this from studying my own life and those perceptions which start at childhood. those perceptions I had made me feel separate from all others, especially my family as family are the first relationships you work with. much later after a lot of living, I go back and retrieve the childhood perceptions which were both illusive and produced allusions I was separate and not a part of anything which felt good. it all felt bad to be separate; it was always my fault. that was the allusion. later, I'm 58 now, which means not a whole lot in the grander scheme of things, but I agree with Kyo here that I have never left the heart of God. I had to read ACIM to discover this, which is true for me. I never went anywhere from my place of origination. the way I deal with this idea is to see life as a movie, I am in the film, I am the probe, I am the adventurous one, I take the risks because it's fun. as I go along I forget about my former wishes to merge with anything at all. it is life and life only. great chunks of allusion fall away, or I may have belief system crashes...the crashes come less and less often but I do not lose my ability to give myself a surprise, so I don't get bored. the ego, a devise which would tell me I am superior, or inferior, or guilty of something, or tells me I should do this, or I should do that (it shoulds on you Roll Eyes ) the ego gets more quiet, but it's always there mumbling about something Tongue it may fall away. it may hurt. it may not even be there when I search for it. I may channel something in this case, from another being who is perhaps closely associated with myself. I may do many mind melds, vulcan style, with many others; in this sense I could be said to merge with the collective mind also. when the communication is complete I may fall back into my usual C1 smoothly. I may notice my ego jumping up and down saying ooouuuweeee! look what u just did! I may allow it to have a bit of fun then tell it to shut up after awhile, we have some work to do, something like that. in any case these two worlds, the afterlife and the life now are far too intricately intertwined to be able to divide them and say, this is what will happen on this level, and this is what will happen on that level. you create your afterlife on a daily basis within this now moment. it's all the same. you make your bed and u lie in it. it's a very practical and sublime intermix of energies, this thing called you. you will take all of you with you when you go. every thought, every feeling, none of it gets tossed out as unimportant. you get to see and feel the whole life all at once Shocked  not just this moment, but all your moments at once. nothing u thought was important turned out to be that important. the little loving acts you committed turned out to be your best successes of all, for in those moments you had loved well and changed the course of another's pathway for the better. they did not forget it, but passed on the kindness, whatever it was, to thier children or another, and it had the 100th monkey effect. the world was a better place to live, just from one little tiny smile. much love and light to you all, remember to give yourself a surprise today! Grin
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Reply #5 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 10:48am
 
Grin i loved reading that.

Just wondering what was the ACIM book was it? that you read, i would love to read this as i have a lot to learn in this area! Plus i love learning anything i can about the afterlife so would  really appreciate that.

Cheers

Ryan (a little bit confused... lol)
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Reply #6 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 10:52am
 
Thank you for this Kyo. The points you have made are very good.

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Reply #7 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 11:19am
 
I used to follow Eastern philosophies. According to many of them the physical universe is nothing but an illusion, and eventually every individual merges back into God. For the most part they speak as if there's this physical World, absolute consciousness, and not much else in-between.

At this point of my life I no longer consider multiplicity to be just some big cosmic mistake.  Many, many individual souls were intentionally created, so the wonder of existence could be experienced by many points of consciousness. I'm no longer interested in trying to see myself as God. I feel content to be just one of God's many creations.

What's the point of having individual points of consciousness go through all sorts of travails, just so they can be squashed like bugs at the end (I don't have anything against bugs. This is just a way of speaking)?

Some people who think along Eastern lines, claim that God realizes himself through us. Does he really need us to realize himself? And why would he have to realize himself in such a way, over and over and over and over again.

It makes much more sense that he has a really big heart, and he wanted to give other beings the opportunity to enjoy life.

I believe that every life form is precious. Therefore, the existence of each form should be revered, not squashed like a bug.

In a way it's safe taking the Eastern approach, because there's only you as an individual body based person, and absolute consciousness. You don't have to concern yourself about things beyond the physical World.  And you can take credit for how things are going for you spiritually, as opposed to giving much deserved credit to that in the spirit World which assists you. And you don't have to admit that there's something such as an I-there, which is aware of everything you do. Including things you might find embarrassing.

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Reply #8 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 11:44am
 
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Thank you for this Kyo. The points you have made are very good. Love, Mairlyn Wink


And thank you, too, Mairlyn. These opportunities for networking with you, as well as with everyone else who have also expressed their willingness and friendship, is indeed respected and appreciated.


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Reply #9 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 12:06pm
 
My feeling is that when we say that we’re going to merge with God at certain point of our evolutionary process what we really meant is that, as long as our consciousness grows the larger our perception of God is.

We’re probably going to reach a level of consciousness where we will feel God thoughts inside us so clearly that it will be like being one with God.

As Bruce wrote in His book “Curiosity’s Father” when talking about the planning intelligence it said it as lent to each one of us a piece of it’s consciousness so we’re individuals but inevitable linked to one bigger then us and so one till we reach God in this Chain.

Despite of an ever greater binding each with the other I believe that we will be able to preserve our individuality despite of being all part of the same source.

(To the ones Who have read)

Bruce had an experience when in TMI there He felt kind of merged with His partners after spinning around the Crystal at TMI there. (I do not remember the chapter)
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Reply #10 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 1:32pm
 
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Grin i loved reading that.

Just wondering what was the ACIM book was it? that you read, i would love to read this as i have a lot to learn in this area! Plus i love learning anything i can about the afterlife so would  really appreciate that.

Cheers

Ryan (a little bit confused... lol)


Ryan, hello friend. Cheesy ACIM = A Course In Miracles, channelled by Helen Shucman, a psychologist. the material comes in the first voice of Jesus, thus, my pov, is the 2nd coming all those Christians think is still yet to happen. he came back in a book  Grin unbelievable of course...but not to me!
there are 3 parts to it: The text, the lesson study plan, and the teachers manual.
the lesson plan has 365 lessons to study, one each day of the year. there are a list of miracle principles  I forget the number exactly. it's not that hard to get through because if you understand just one principle of a miracle, everything else the book says becomes understandable just like a stack of dominos falling over. but it does take a year, otherwise the temptation is to throw the thing out the window! Grin
you don't just sit down to read it like another book. you sit down to have a chat with God, and I tell you, God is not a flatterer type guy. (I'm not like a literal person here, I'm trying to make a point) Cheesy I repeat, God is not a single, flesh and blood dude above it all; he walks around in our bodies in the weirdest diguises I've ever seen! This book is one such disguise...but it's the real thing..One of the things it said to me that got to me, was "this world is not your home." far out! I was sure glad to find that out!  Grin
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Reply #11 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 1:42pm
 
Hey cool cheers. Even though i don't follow the beliefs maybe put across the book you described...well kinda i do but not in a sense of the commerical side i guess to call it (only thing i can think of). i do like the principles and from what you have said i think it goes beyound that and sounds really really good. I'm going to look into it tonight!

not sure if that made any sense at all?? lol so anyway yeah cheers and i'm definatly getting it to sum that up! lol

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Reply #12 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 1:58pm
 
you said: I believe that every life form is precious. Therefore, the existence of each form should be revered, not squashed like a bug.  
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this is true. there are some bugs I will not allow to live in my house though;D  when man gets to this point, of the above reference, wars will cease. that doesn't mean we have to set up housekeeping with every intelligent form of life though, just allow them their space.
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You said: Some people who think along Eastern lines, claim that God realizes himself through us. Does he really need us to realize himself? And why would he have to realize himself in such a way, over and over and over and over again.
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well, God is a concept. try and imagine God as a flesh and blood man. its so difficult, its impossible. so we can take Jesus, and say, he was a man, yet he was a God. but we say, he is different than us. he walked on water. we could never do that.and we say, please come back, teach us how. he says do it yourself, I already showed you how. now it's up to you.
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but getting back to your question of self realization. what does that mean to you? to <become>? are we not always becoming? is there an end when you are becoming? should there be? do you dance to get to the end of the dance? or is it the journey we would enjoy, not the goal itself of self realization. we could call this getting with the now moment.
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We’re probably going to reach a level of consciousness where we will feel God thoughts inside us so clearly that it will be like being one with God.
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yes, I can see this.
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another said: (forgive me for mixing up posts)
It makes much more sense that he has a really big heart, and he wanted to give other beings the opportunity to enjoy life.
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this is where my vision takes me: in the above reference. Life, is a gift. but don't take this gift back to the department store; if you do, you will insult the one who bore the gift to you. Wink

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Reply #13 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 2:13pm
 
Even though I can't say for certain what God is, I certainly don't mean an old man in the sky (How about an old woman? Wink ).

I figure that on a very basic level, I'm an awareness with no limits, that has the ability to create as much as it wants and understand as much as it wants. In a responsible way though, and of course with lots of love. I just have to be willing to open up and let go of limitations (I'm trying, I'm trying).

Obviously God, the creator of all, the primary awareness, etc., came before me, and I'm basically made up of the same essence.

Whatever the case, I don't view God in a religious way. I doubt he (she, it) has such limitations.
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Reply #14 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 2:26pm
 
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Thank you for that post Kardec. It was so uplifting to read.

Peace, Love and Light.

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