Regarding my stubborness, here's how whoever I'm in contact with in the spirit World have responded to it. One time while meditating I reviewed some of my experiences in order to make it clear that I do at times make contact with my I-there via thought. I almost became convinced, but then some doubt seeped then. Right then I saw a clear image of lady I don't know sitting on a fence. She should looked right at me with an expression of exasperated disappointment.
Yesterday while meditating I asked, what will it be like when I finally fully accept that I'm in contact with my I-there. I waited a moment without thinking, and then I saw an image of a champagne bottle popping, and then a group of people behind the bottle clapping and chearing, because I finally fully accepted what I've been doing.
I'm about 99+% certain that I've been in contact with my I-there, or at least the part of the spirit World I'm connected to. One of these days they tell me, I'll be fully convinced.
Regarding the specific retrievel experience I mentioned, it went something like this.
-I saw a clear image of a thin, 40ish blond man, shooting somebody with a pistol. He had a malicious smile on his face as he did so.
-I got the sense that he died, eventhough I didn't see him get killed.
-It occured to me to help him out.
-I can't remember the exact dialougue, but I started a conversation with him, eventually introduced him to a guide with a female appearance, and she took him to focus 27.
As I imagined the above, I wondered if he should go to focus 27. Since I don't believe in retributive karma and fire and brimstone, I figured that focus 27 would be the best place for him, so he would have a better chance of learning a better way to live.
Even though I saw him clearly at first, I didn't clearly see the rest of the experience. I don't believe that this is a problem, because sometimes you can see things without seeing them, if you know what I mean.
With each of the retrievels I went through, I've gotten names and ages of everybody involved, including the people that reunite with the person recovered, once they make it to what I guess is focus 27.
I still haven't verified anything yet, so I'm not saying anything for certain. One of these days I'll get off of the fence I'm sitting on.
Quote:Wow you are stubborn, that's not proof enough?
I don't have Monroe's 2nd and 3rd books, have only read the first. So I can't look up what you are talking about. But I can' t wait to read those two, I really need to.
Can you describe your experience in more detail? Sounds interesting.
Vicky