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Sep 6th, 2005 at 10:12pm
 
I have a Little story to tell you, its about my little girl dog. She is one spoiled animal,that you can be assured.

One time a few years ago ,I was going through a very difficult time in my life,you know the one where everything is going wrong your asking yourself why why why,all the while through the pain of growth,you cant sleep you cant eat,your in misery.

Well during this time,as I have said I couldn't sleep,I was finding it hard to sleep,my little girl lives on my bed,she is a very good sleeper no problems in her world. But when she dose nod of she snore and if anyone here ,has trouble sleeping and your next to a snore,well, you know what I'm talking about!

I would continually wake her during the night as I was trying to get to sleep, and she was asleep making her eruptions, noise,noise everywhere noise.Then one night during this process,I finally get of to sleep, she comes to me in my dream state.
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To tell me the following

Your killing me! she says!
I,ve got to get my sleep!
I'm on vacation!!

Now when she first showed herself to me she was a young woman with tears in her eyes.She then changed into her now form.And informs me of her circumstance,that she was finding the evolutionary thing to hard and had to have a vacation,she tells me that she loves me, I then wake.

When I woke up I thought to myself,sorry for interrupting your vacation, but Im going through a crisis here. but I do love her and I always will she is my Little angel.
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Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2005 at 10:43pm
 
I can tell u my own stories but really can't answer your question, but my first hunch is that I don't think this would be allowed to happen as I assume there is an evolutionary process going on, an advisory committee as it were that would advise strongly against this happening..

but don't let me rain on your parade Cheesy hear me out:
1) I once became the form of a large dog in order to do a retrieval

2) I lost a dog and went out to find her: when I found her, overjoyed of course, and only within the astral world, I went into her head through the eyes to see if she forgave me for putting her outside and the garage door had blown open and she never came home.. Undecided this after 14 years of having her company. as I entered her eyes I saw she did not blame me, but more than that we were one. my dog and I were the same being. I lived within her, so that whereever she went, I, my essence went with her. she didn't need to forgive me, I had to forgive myself.

3) my sister died (this what is known as the family skelton) and entered the body of a crow and dive bombed my mothers windshield screaming into my mother's head "I'll make you notice me!" well, needless to say, this is not the proper way to get across the point that you are alive in spirit to those who are still physical. ???

if you and your dog are one, consider that she is you and you are her, bonded in love, as one. so that part of you needed to alleviate the guilt you felt for making her sleep somewhere else because of the snoring, some part of her felt rejected (I'm sure she does not know she snores) your spirit picked up the dog's thought of, well, this certainly sucks, I cant sleep on the bed! just as a feeling. another part of you responds by explaining that you need your sleep as sleep is a vacation from your problems in the daytime and so this you explaining to the dog that you need your sleep worse than the dog.

this all would be logical, but then I can't figure out who the person is with the tears in her eyes? maybe you have created her in your image to be a woman?

well, interesting, isn't it?
there is one other thing, so I'm inclined to open my mind to you. in Monroe's book you will find a tiny little curl he calls it, who he had a conversation with. it was going in for it's first run at being human, with the inference that it had been either animal or alien before, but never human. my guess is that it would receive a body within a tribal situation where they have a sort of group mentality, for it's first run at human life.

love and light, and I guess you could wear ear plugs, poor little gal Cheesy
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Reply #2 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 1:06am
 
Another beautiful sharing from Alysia...


As for animal-human question, there is only confusion about this, when one has preconceived ideas or limiting beliefs about the nature of souls, that animals are distinct from humans, and so on.

Once you understand that all beings are simply consciousnesses manifested from God, essentially the same, but manifesting as, throughout and across, many many levels, planets, kingdoms and races, then there is little difficulty in appreciating that this being manifested to you in one form, but incarnated as another.

The mistake many intraphysical consciousness (ie. physically incarnated humans) make, is to trap themselves with preconceived notions and limiting beliefs about reality around them. Once you open your eyes and heart to all possibilities, all possibilities in turn open up to you.

But for some individuals who are still curious about whether humans habitually incarnate as animals, or vice-versa, then, from observation, it is as Alysia has described : the general evoultionary trend is from plant kingdom to animal kingdom to human (and subsequently from human to Serenissimus, etc).

See my post on Astral Pulse here, on the topic of evolving souls progressing from animal incarnations to human incarnations :
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18893


And for those who ask is it possible for human souls to 'regress' back to animal souls? Again as Alysia has already mentioned, it is usually not productive and helpful (and thus does not usually occur) for the soul who has already begun to involve itself karmically and conscientially in one kingdom or soul group, to 'regress' back to incarnating into a biological body of a species in which the lessons and consciential tasks are significantly different.

That is not to say such never occurs. For if there are good reasons for something to occur, then by the natural laws of the universe (and good ol common sense), it would certainly (make sense for it to) occur.

And so the question for you is not so much, is she a human soul incarnating as an animal, or an animal soul incarnating as a human?

These questions become laughable and rather pointless when you see from the higher perspective and realize that souls are souls, 'humans' and 'animals' are merely temporary physical vehicles for the consciousness, and all consciousnesses are essentially the same, ie. aspects and fragments of God that is, and always will be your (you, all your loved ones, all beings of the Cosmos) True Self.

If you do find yourself somehow disturbed by any of the possibilities or ideas that you may suggest to yourself (eg. "OMG! A human soul backslided into an animal soul! That's sooooo sad!"), then that is good (ie. good that you feel disturbed), for even such seemingly 'negative' emotional reactions (eg. upset, anger, sadness, etc) can serve powerfully as OPPORTUNITIES (on simple condition that you're willing to make the effort to learn from these) for you to CLARIFY the true meaning, underlying lessons and Lovingness, of your own ideas, beliefs, choices and thosenes (thoughts, emotions & energies) and true nature (*you* determine your own nature).

And the most direct way to accomplish this, is via Byron Katie's Inquiry Process. Why are you upset? Iterate or articulate your problem statement. Then Turn it Around.

The result of such (Clarification processes, eg. via Inquiry method) is inevitably karmic and consciential evolution, both for the Inquiring soul, as well as for others around (ie. assistantiality), including in this case, (assistantiality) for the being who you love so deeply as your " little girl dog".


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Here are a couple of accounts that illustrate the universality of souls (all equally deserving of Love, all equally ourselves) :
   
 
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i read in one of monroe's books that he visited a place where the spirits, as lights, were lined up waiting to be prepped for incarnation.  They would go through a process where they would forget their previous lives and then shoot toward their new bodies.  In this line he saw one light that was smaller.  He approached it, conversing w it.  The little light said that it had previously been an animal incarnation.  It had done something really exceptional, and so was allowed the privilege of now having a human life.  It felt very honored and nervous at the same time.

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Yes, I remember reading this too. I believe it was a dog and this really threw me. I've always wondered about that as I didn't think that animals could incarnate as humans.



In a separate thread, Bruce (Moen) writes :
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In a two-hour version of my workshop, in Sydney, Australia, participants were taking part in a retrieval exercise.  They were being guided by my verbal cues to retrieve a person.  One of the participants, a woman, came upon a small dog who had died and become stuck.  In her conversation with the dog he told her that he was worried he must have done something wrong.  This because his master no longer call his name and because the children in the family no longer played with him.  The women explained to him that he had not done anything wrong, it was just that he no longer had a body his master or the children could see.

The Helper who showed up to assist in the retrieval of this little dog was a large, adult, white dog.  The participant followed the retrieval process far enough to observe that the little dog was taken to a place where other animals were.  She described it as a large, sunny meadow or pasture where children were playing with puppies and dogs.   

More than a year after this experience I was sharing this story with a pet owner who told me that the place the participant described sounded like the area she and others call the Rainbow Bridge.  In several other retrievals performed during in my workshops other participants have described retrieving other animals to the same place.



Sai Baba also once casually mentioned that his pet elephant was finally ready for her first human incarnation in the next upcoming life, and that it was because she (as with many other animal souls who 'graduate' ahead of their peers) had been putting much effort and willingness to cultivate and demonstrate the higher consciential qualities of compassion and service in her past and current life, and thus being ready for the greater opportunities (of evolution and universal assistantiality) that are provided by a human incarnation.

Unfortunately, from observation, the vast majority of human beings incarnate do not seem to truly appreciate and cherish their current human incarnations very much... a real pity, for every human lifetime is incredibly precious, and so much (more) could be accomplished by each and every human being alive today...

On this topic of appreciating and cherishing the human evolutionary status and the preciousness of (each & every) human incarnation, please refer to my posts on the following threads :

"Evolutionary Level of Human Beings"

"Voices from the Afterlife"


On the topic of Byron Katie and Clarification, see :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1117041145/0#0


On the topic of Hilarion (whom you ask for advice and answers, for those of you deeply emotionally connected to your pets) :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#Hilarion


On the topic of Souls, Afterlife, Reincarnation, Intermissive Periods, Existential Programs and Evolution :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/IAC/index.htm
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Reply #3 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 6:19am
 
Hi,
This is a bit off topic but since someone brought up the animals in the spirit world, I have a question I'd like to share with you.
Do you believe that all animals survive death? What about snakes? Are there snakes in the afterlife?
It's wonderful to imagine dogs and elephants on the afterlife but I don't know how I feel about encountering a Snake.

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Reply #4 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 6:30am
 
I know I still have a long road ahead of me, so much to learn but I don't know if i could ever learn to love snakes.
Ever since I can remember i have been terrified of them. I have no words to explain the way I feel at the sight of a snake.
I think the word phobia gets a whole new meaning for me when it comes to snakes.
Can I ever achieve my goals of Love with hate in my heart?
Please share your thoughts with me.

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Reply #5 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 7:50am
 
I don't have any idea about the answer to your question. 

But a cat named Tristan I had who died a few years ago was my best friend!  I now have 2 dogs and 2 cats who I love dearly but they are just pets to me. 

Tristan and I were so unusually spiritually close that he didn't seem like a pet to me at all, and I always felt that it made sense that he was in my life but it didn't make sense that he was a cat!  Perhaps we are very close souls and for whatever reason he needed to be a cat and I a human.   It didn't matter though, I loved him (and still do) as much as one being could love another.  I have a beautiful and amazing story of how I found him but it is so long.  I will shorten it to say that I knew him in my mind long before I got him, about two years before he was born!


I know this will sound strange (but when have my stories NOT been strange?) but Tristan and I had a way of communicating through thoughts.  I could think to him, "do you mind moving off that spot on the couch so I can sit there?" and he would move over.  I could think his name and he would come running to me from another room.  Once I when I was lying in bed Tristan came and laid on my chest.  He often did this, with his face up close to mine, and we would look at each other's eyes and I could feel communication between us, although I'm not really able to put the feelings into words.  At one point he took his eyes off mine and mildly glanced past me, and I suddenly see in my mind a spider on the wall behind my head next to my pillow.  I could see it as clearly as seeing with my eyes!  I quickly turned myself around so I could look at the wall and sure enough, there it was.  I am incredibly afraid of spiders and I feel that Tristan was able to relay that image to me. 

thanks for letting me share that!

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Reply #6 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 10:00am
 
oh vickey, I really enjoyed hearing about Tristan, superb mind meld there, and to me, a place where the human race is headed. my daughter had such a relationship with a white fluffy kitty which passed on a few years back and she tried to describle how they looked into each other's eyes and talked. I'm more of a dog person, so didn't understand until you told your story. I do remember this cat as a kitten crawled unto my throat chakra once as I lay on the floor attempting to fight off a huge nicotene craving..the kitten approached me timidly and asked if it could bond with me, I said sure, no problem.it went to sleep on my throat and my craving went away..the purring was healing me. also this cat sent a thought to my mother; who btw is not a cat person either particularly. this cat had experienced a truama; my daughter's boyfriend had attempted to kill it. he was psychopathic. long story.  when my daughter came back to live with me bringing the cat with her, the cat told my mother it was glad to be back home and safe. mom was just walking by the cat, she didn't expect to get this information and was highly amused by it. Shocked

a joke is coming: some comedians on stage are really teachers in disguise: one such comedian said "ever wonder why your dog fixates on you, staring at you, and it becomes an irritation why he's staring? as you walk back and forth, puttering about?" ever wonder what he's thinking? He's thinking "yea! I could do that! no sweat! I could be a human!"
"ma chein pense que je suis a otra chein! ouuweee!"

southern star, you may have a deep seated memory of something that happened with a snake involved to uncover. I understand as I have the same phobia, but it's about sharks, not snakes. I don't think hatred is the problem but fear is associated with phobia. you can acheive a neutrality if u talk to the snake in your head and ask it why you are so afraid of it. if it answers you, you can come to terms with it. this thought may be concerned with another life, like a bleed through. I've heard this method can alleviate physical symtoms as well to merely uncover these memories. I haven't bothered to get rid of my shark phobia, as I figure I won't be going into the ocean anyway. not without a stun gun anyway... Grin I don't think we need to love sharks or snakes, so much as just understand their natures and the risk involved in invading their space. there seems to be a certain energetic field we can place around ourselves which wards off attack by animals, but I still don't have a desire to test it out in the ocean... Grin

thank you Kyo for clarifying and going so deep into the subject of consciousness here, as always, I do read and benefit from your presence here. ...
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Reply #7 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 10:56am
 
Yes, there are snakes in the afterlife and every type of animal.  Since the afterlife is not a predator existance, they all get along, the lion laying down with the lamb, etc. No animal preys on another. The first I read of this was in Rosalind McKnight's first book "Cosmic Journeys" where her deceased brother works with and takes care of animals. I did some exploration to see this myself and it's true according to  my perceptions.


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Reply #8 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 10:58am
 
That is so wonderful to know Mairlyn.  I have always hoped that all my pets there are being loved and looked after! 

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Reply #9 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 11:53am
 
That is interesting Alysia.....I wouldn't mind getting more information on how to deal with phobias. I have a few. Spiders cause me to run for miles....and heights? Climbing up the height is no problem.....but I need a miracle to get back down.
Stranely with heights, I will usually make myself fall....I think, because the fear of being high up is so overwhelming.
Yet when I sleep, I fly everywhere and strive to get higher and higher. Put me up on a ladder and I am toast.
I was on anti depressants for acouple years (finally got myself off that.yeah!!).......and while taking those, all my fears and phobias were gone....gone also was any ability to connect with my spiritual side. So that is never going to be an option again.
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And a quick note about pets......my dog that I had for so long, the one that I talked about here before, who's life was made hell by a certain ^$#@*&..........Ceasar, he was such a goofy puppy!! Always chasing around like a 3 month old pup! Chasing the birds, butterflies, cats....digging holes everywhere....running, barking.....tail just a whirling in the air.....the happiest, friendliest shep cross ever!! He used to dig up my garden beds....eat the tomatoes and create crators in the yard.....I would just look into his eyes and wonder why, oh why did you do this, again??? And he would answer me, : I'm sorry....I didn't mean too! I just have sooooo much fun digging!!
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Reply #10 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 4:03pm
 
This is a little off topic, but perhaps it'll contribute in some way.

One night I astral projected. I asked to go to my spirit home as I moved towards whatever my destination was. First I flew loops around some structures in space I couldn't clearly see. Next I flew down to a beautiful lagoon that was located on some planet other than Earth. The lagoon was surrounded by green cliffs. The lagoon's water was perfectly clear, and was inhabitted by beautiful aquatic creatures that sort of looked like jellyfish. They were colored bright green, blue, red and yellow. The sense I got was that I was one of these creatures. At first this bugged me, but then I got the message that what I am has nothing to do with a particular kind of form, and that all forms are equal.

I've been given this message at other times. Another example is when one night some guides flew me around during a lucid dream, and they first assumed the appearance of stuffed animals, then as monkeys, and then as squid like beings. At first I was disturbed, but then I understood the point of their taking on different forms.

Considering the above, animals are probably a lot more similar to us than we sometimes think. "Meow!"

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Reply #11 - Sep 8th, 2005 at 9:25am
 
I really enjoyed reading everyone's stories. Thank you for sharing.
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Yes, there are snakes in the afterlife and every type of animal

Dear Marilyn I thank you for your comments but now I think there will not be a team of recoverers persuasive enough to make go home, hahahaha.
Maybe it's my phobia blinding  and limiting me but I really can't see the point of snakes in the afterlife. Even non predator ones. They were even chosen to represent the devil in the Bible.
And dear Alysia, thank you ever so much for your advice.
You know I fear snakes but i also hate them because this phobia is stronger than me and I hate that. I really feel frustrated. I was a smoker for 7 years, smoking 20 cigarrettes a day and I found the strengh to quit because my nicotine addiction was stronger than me and I couldn't bear the thought of that.
With snakes is a complete different story. I have tried everything from learning things about them so I could try to like them to going to the zoo and putting myself in front of them facing my fears and trying to rise above them but it's just a lost battle for me.
I can't even go to get a regression done and deal with it that way. If it is caused by something that happened to me in a previous life and I have to relive it, I think I could even get a heart attack at 31.
Thinking about them give me nightmares, let alone talking to them in my head. I'm hopeless, at the momment I just ask God to iluminate me and point me in the right direction, I don't know what else to do.

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Reply #12 - Sep 8th, 2005 at 10:10am
 
As long as the spirit evolutes it develops the capability of being every time more conscious about it self in the afterlife.
It’s the main reason for most of the animals to remain unconscious in the afterlife.
Generally they are “looked After” for “helpers” with the appropriate skills to asses the best next lifetime in order to improve its progress.

Of course some animals are selected to play an important rule helping "helpers " to help  Grin the human who arrive at the after-life so those animals are maintained conscious relayed at their helpers energetic. (in some cases their owners can keep them conscious through the PUL)

It’s the way that Spirits Doctrine (Alland Kardec) has described such subject.
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Reply #13 - Sep 8th, 2005 at 8:09pm
 
Hi Folks-
Both from Sai Baba's elephant and Kardec's remarks we get an image of progressive evolution. However, there seems to be more.  I once had a patient who had a long and really twisted history, involving a trip across a hazardous mountain path with her family. She was holding the baby and another child, and she slipped. They all three went over a cliff for hundreds of feet and died.

She felt terribly guilty.  I asked her to go to a different scene where she could understand what had happened, that it had been an accident. In the next moment she reported that she was a rabbit, hoping here and there amongst the trees. She saw a hunter, and he shot her with an arrow. She didn't mind, because it was the way things were supposed to work out. At the same time she said that she understood that the mountain death was also one of the necessary stages of evolution, and that it was not because of her, nor was she at fault.

More often, when I see people, if they are interested I regress them and ususaly we find that they were animals. (I recall being a worm. It was all gooey and squirmy and slimey, and as a worm I loved it.) One woman went back to being  microscopic cellular creature, another seemed to have been a lava flow. Many have mentioned being cave dwellers. I asked one cave man if he had a mate and children. He said, "Yes, but I don't see how. She's awfully ugly." I guess human nature hasn't changed much. She might have been a trophy wife in the cave, but not when filtered through modern perceptions.

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Reply #14 - Sep 8th, 2005 at 11:28pm
 
This is very interesting Dave. In all the books I've read about past lives, I've never read where someone regressed to an animal. Do you know of any books on this?  And you were a worm!  Shocked  Well, cool. Wink

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Reply #15 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 5:56am
 
According to Allan Kardec in some point in time the “Divine Spark” joins a unicellular being and that would be the first contact between body and soul. From that point on they booth will progress. So we have probably gone through the Mineral then the vegetable passing through the animal and finally reaching the Human Kind. Yet according to Allan Kardec’s work there is no regression so once the human Kind is reached we can never back to the animal kind. Some people once in the After-live due to psychological problem can take the form of an animal but He/She only looks like an animal but not really is.

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Reply #16 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 12:03pm
 
Hi Kardec and Marilyn-
I have resisted the impression that this was truly a regression, since a shift in conscousness to return to the animal state seems more likely. The "divine spark" (I call it the "viewpoint" to get rid of social loading on the term) is pretty much able to go anywhere and do anything. My personal expectation is that the sequence of living should be in the usual ordering of lower to higher, generally in congruent times from prior to present, but that the  viewpoint can move about within various prior states to bring them to awareness at different moments, and thus out of their natural order.

However, I might be wrong, as this is not how it was reported. The actual sequence was reported as a woman in the mountains, her death, next an educational reincarnation as a rabbit, as if the woman had to learn that she was not at fault for the accident. Thus, the woman dies, the rabbit is born, the rabbit becomes someone's dinner and the sequence is discontinuous at the rabbit's death as well, then another woman is born, so the next incarnation was as a person again.

I have no other information about this kind of thing. I'm a fairly active researcher into past life phenomena (I have about 200 hours of recorded sessions, as well as doing lots more past life therapies that aren't recorded) but this is the only time I've seen this.

Interestingly, I have had several instances in which people reported being reincarnated out of temporal sequence, so the report might be literally valid after all. That's why I thought it worth sharing. For example, a person might report one life in the 1800's, the next in the 1200's, then next in 1700's or 1900's whatever.  This is also uncommon.

One other thought, though, is that when I run a session, after going through a death sequence, and the person is reporting experiences in the astral, I often tell people to hold their place in the astral, so I can send them to use various resources in that state. It is possible that the regression backwards to become a rabbit was of this type, a sidetrip occurring by displacement of the viewpoint to a prior event long past, while she remained otherwise on the main forward path, perhaps in some kind of psychic limbo, which is kinda what Kardec was suggesting. Thus this might have been either an actual digression to being a rabbit, or a return to a prior incarnation not otherwise recalled.

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"...It is possible that the regression backwards to become a rabbit was of this type, a sidetrip occurring by displacement of the viewpoint to a prior event long past, while she remained otherwise on the main forward path..."

Dave I feel this hypothesis quite possible because I think we can research along all the steps of our evolutionary path in order to find answer to our questions so it is possible that facing some difficult question She has found an acceptable answer in a VERY LONG PAST life prior to the moment She reached the Human Kind.

But who knows? Undecided

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Reply #18 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 2:29pm
 
Kardec, that's very true. Also, at TMI in one of the programs, I think it was Exploration 27, we experienced merging with the animal, vegetable and mineral kingdom. Also the elements.................earth, air, fire and water.  Shocked

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Reply #19 - Sep 10th, 2005 at 12:02pm
 
When I was a college professor of religious studies, one of my colleagues, a Hindu scholar, had two cartoons taped to his office door.

In one cartoon, a long-faced fellow in a white robe stands in front of a reincarnation desk.  The guy at the desk says, "Oh, I'm so sorry.  Jack rabbits are booked up for the next 200 years.  How about a snail darter?"

In the other cartoon, people in white robes are lining up to enter the pearly gates of heaven.  They have to walk past the guy at the reincarnation desk.  The guy reminds them: "Don't forget to get your hand stamped."

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ROFLOL  Cute Don. Wink

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HI Again-

IMHO the proof is in the pudding, so to say. I've had a great many people to siomply regress to being animals, and I dare to say anyone else would do so equally easily. Aside from my worm-self I recall a day camped out in the hills when I abruptly found myself looking down from the vantage point of a passing hawk, and then just as abruptly returning to look up at the bird.

On the basis of a dozen or two regressions where I asked people to go back as far as they could, I've gotten lots and lots of animal histories. At the same rtime, most of the histories reported to me have been congruent with time flow, so a lizard in the Jurassic would be a cave dweller in the Magdalenian (sp?) and an office woker in the present. The idea of going backwards out of temporal sequence, and out of developmental sequence, is what really fascinates me.

I have been working on a theoretical model of schizophrenia based on the idea of a mind that had adopted, in a prior lifetime, a lot of values that were based on self-negating actions (like power and control based on killing and torture, which is self-negating because ultimately we are all one). Then in the next incarnation there are big gaps where those mental properties used to be, but self-destructed because of their non-rational nature. The leftover bits and pieces thus default to long prior lifetimes, usually ones in which the psyche was much more brutal, so that efforts to create improvement are presented as threats in the present, just as we sense regret it the present for past misdeeds. This would explain the emergenbe of seemingly detached hostile personality fragments in the schizoid delusional world.

Obviously, the passage of the psyche through an orderly progression of states, plus options for rearrangements and adjustments based on the results of ongoing activities, is a central interest for mental health. I'd love to be able to do a formal experiment in this regard!

Regression is so easy, that it actually can be done with nearly zero training (I used to teach it to groups in 45 minutes). I'll post instructions on my site, so you and others can poke about here as well. mind-body-spirit-hypnoclinic.com and see for yourselves.  I'm interested in feedback, whenever you get around to trying it out.

I recall a story in which the long line at the Pearly Gates had totally stalled, because they had to wait for God to return from some outside activity. Eventually a man appeared with a stethescope around his neck, and he walking in through a side door. The line again started to move. When questioned, St Peter explained, "Well, that's how God is. Sometimes He likes to play Doctor."

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I thank everyone for there energy ,I know I started with a question of which I already new the answer.

You see my little girl is indeed a soul who has travel this earth plane in human form.As I said earlier she told me she was finding the going ruff the hole evolutionary thing was getting to much for her and she needed a holiday. So here she is with me living the high life,meals fully catered , free range chicken ,stir fry most nights, sleep's on my bed wakes when she feels like it.Walks out in the sun,smelling the ever green parkland just over the
road,it a vacation after all.

I joke about it all the time, I think to myself, if this is a vacation then shes in  first class no expense speared.And one other thing on this vacation she has someone who loves her ,and shows that love to her everyday.What a way to recharge your soul and help you see that through all the pain of evolution you can make it.

We have eternity to grow ,so why not take a little Holiday if your feeling bummed out .What dose it really matter your in for the long ride. I'm so glad she chose me,and when her time here is over I can see her in the astral I'm sure we will be good Friends.
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LightsRon, you have a beautiful story and we are all thinking it is hard to grasp. yet look at how the thread developed that u started.  Cheesy. it makes me think about animals and about myself, my own stories to tell. it is not hard to understand human consciusness if u can think of awareness, pure intelligence, pure love, how this energy knows no boundaries of physical construction. I retrieved my pet duck one. I flew with it in the sky..I was..yes, as strange as it sounds, I was a blue swedish duck..just for a moment...just for the sensation of flying with wings that had never touched the sky ever before, and flew to no destination, just to fly..to feel the freedom of the outstretched wing and how the wind beneath the wings supported me, so very high up. I had to retrieve the duck you see, as it had become another animal's din din Angry  I wanted to thank the duck for opening my heart; this it had done for me Smiley his name was Mr Blue. then, as if to confirm the authenticity of my very real experience, my daughter excitedly rushed in one day to tell me she had had a dream where she saw me as half duck, half human. although this is not, I repeat, a flattering image to see Tongue yet I understood well. I understood that love had bonded me to Mr Blue for a moment of retrieval. for I knew beyond all doubt that as we flew I was helping mr blue to continue his duckness in the duck kingdom somewhere and if I wished to visit with him again, that I would and could, so that the grief inside of me was now gone. when we love something, either animal or human there is always that grief to deal with when they leave us. thank god I can understand retrieval better these days as a fine method of evolvement.

Dave, some comments on your fine work of regression. yes, it is easy to do..but we still need people like you to keep saying this as we just don't get it yet. I once regressed my own daughter; when she couldn't get anything, I entered the imagination for her. I even saw the boyfriend she was with now, with her in this other life, for he would cling to her in this life, as she had died early in the other, before their relationship could blossom. his name was Dirk, in this life his name is Dan. I don't make it a practice to do regressions either for myself or others because its such a new concept all in all within our time of history to be accepting that we can be much more than just what our present life presents to us...and my guides have told me that I must be about the intentions why I came here and focus only on that. I will say to view the past lives has been mind boggling and also very distracting to my present life, yet at the same time, now I know how I came to my viewpoint that humanity is all ONE entity experiencing individuality for the sheer adventure, for the sheer ability to do it, for the sheer gift it is to be alive in a body exploring a multiplicity of experiences available for the asking.

I like your little jokes Dave Grin sometimes God likes to play retriever too! ha ha ha!

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Reply #24 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 3:36pm
 
Hi, a little cat story:
Once my mother visited her sister. Then, they heard a sort of crying. It turned out it was a very little cat, left all alone. My mother took it home, it survived and has become a big cat now.
My mother told me, she had a very hard time back then, and looking back this cat was a kind of miracle. She had to be a caring mother for it, and it took her away from her sorrow, which was deeply needed. She said she don't know what would have happened if this little cat hadn't come into her life at this very right moment.
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Reply #25 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 4:04pm
 
Alysia I loved your duck story.

Spooky, I think pets are given to us for this very reason, we need them just as much as they need us, maybe more.   Hey, since we're on the subject of pets, let me tell you, I had a cat named Spooky when I was a kid.  I watched him being born when I was 3 and he died when I was 17.  It's a long and sad story how he died so I won't even go into it, but he did come visit me several times after his death in my dreams! 
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Reply #26 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 7:07pm
 
Hi Alysia-
I knew another duck person. My sister-in-law used to mention things that would happen during the time when she was a duck, and also during the time that she was a lady bug. I never quizzed her on it, but it sounds OK to me.

Perhaps this is an area worth further exploration. I wonder if there is a set sequenceof animals we pass through, or whether we have parallel paths through quivalent species. I posted a regression How-To on my site for anyone who needs it. mind-body-spirit-hypnoclinic.com Obviously, that "url" trick you showed me works great!
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Thanks Vicky for your "spooky" words. I like cats. (And ducks too! Dogs are not my cup of tea)  And of course I too have some sad cat stories to tell, I know that. Can really traumatize you.
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I have a friend here who is a duck lady, that is she has 12 ducks (never had children). They are her babies. I wouldn't doubt a bit now after reading all this that she has a very strong connection to the 'duck world' and was probably a duck in a past life.  Roll Eyes

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Hi, a little cat story:
Once my mother visited her sister. Then, they heard a sort of crying. It turned out it was a very little cat, left all alone. My mother took it home, it survived and has become a big cat now.
My mother told me, she had a very hard time back then, and looking back this cat was a kind of miracle. She had to be a caring mother for it, and it took her away from her sorrow, which was deeply needed. She said she don't know what would have happened if this little cat hadn't come into her life at this very right moment.

I do believe and know through personal experience that God send us exactly what we need everytime only sometimes it might be difficult to understand at first.
In my case it wasn't a pet. God sendt me a big present from heaven nearly three years ago in the shape of my daughter. I don't know where I would be today as well if I didn't have my little angel.
As they say when God closes a door, always opens up a window.

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Well put Sandra!

My problem is that I often have trouble appreciating what God kinows I need.

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you are so right Kardek "and a child shall lead them."
my own kids amaze me by what they know and their years here are less than mine, which shows me how irrelevant is linear time, in terms of knowledge and wisdom. I cannot begin to tell anyone how many times they have caused me to appreciate being alive...
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