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Re: Do you believe some animal are humans incarnat
Reply #15 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 5:56am
 
According to Allan Kardec in some point in time the “Divine Spark” joins a unicellular being and that would be the first contact between body and soul. From that point on they booth will progress. So we have probably gone through the Mineral then the vegetable passing through the animal and finally reaching the Human Kind. Yet according to Allan Kardec’s work there is no regression so once the human Kind is reached we can never back to the animal kind. Some people once in the After-live due to psychological problem can take the form of an animal but He/She only looks like an animal but not really is.

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Reply #16 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 12:03pm
 
Hi Kardec and Marilyn-
I have resisted the impression that this was truly a regression, since a shift in conscousness to return to the animal state seems more likely. The "divine spark" (I call it the "viewpoint" to get rid of social loading on the term) is pretty much able to go anywhere and do anything. My personal expectation is that the sequence of living should be in the usual ordering of lower to higher, generally in congruent times from prior to present, but that the  viewpoint can move about within various prior states to bring them to awareness at different moments, and thus out of their natural order.

However, I might be wrong, as this is not how it was reported. The actual sequence was reported as a woman in the mountains, her death, next an educational reincarnation as a rabbit, as if the woman had to learn that she was not at fault for the accident. Thus, the woman dies, the rabbit is born, the rabbit becomes someone's dinner and the sequence is discontinuous at the rabbit's death as well, then another woman is born, so the next incarnation was as a person again.

I have no other information about this kind of thing. I'm a fairly active researcher into past life phenomena (I have about 200 hours of recorded sessions, as well as doing lots more past life therapies that aren't recorded) but this is the only time I've seen this.

Interestingly, I have had several instances in which people reported being reincarnated out of temporal sequence, so the report might be literally valid after all. That's why I thought it worth sharing. For example, a person might report one life in the 1800's, the next in the 1200's, then next in 1700's or 1900's whatever.  This is also uncommon.

One other thought, though, is that when I run a session, after going through a death sequence, and the person is reporting experiences in the astral, I often tell people to hold their place in the astral, so I can send them to use various resources in that state. It is possible that the regression backwards to become a rabbit was of this type, a sidetrip occurring by displacement of the viewpoint to a prior event long past, while she remained otherwise on the main forward path, perhaps in some kind of psychic limbo, which is kinda what Kardec was suggesting. Thus this might have been either an actual digression to being a rabbit, or a return to a prior incarnation not otherwise recalled.

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Re: Do you believe some animal are humans incarnat
Reply #17 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 12:24pm
 
"...It is possible that the regression backwards to become a rabbit was of this type, a sidetrip occurring by displacement of the viewpoint to a prior event long past, while she remained otherwise on the main forward path..."

Dave I feel this hypothesis quite possible because I think we can research along all the steps of our evolutionary path in order to find answer to our questions so it is possible that facing some difficult question She has found an acceptable answer in a VERY LONG PAST life prior to the moment She reached the Human Kind.

But who knows? Undecided

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Reply #18 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 2:29pm
 
Kardec, that's very true. Also, at TMI in one of the programs, I think it was Exploration 27, we experienced merging with the animal, vegetable and mineral kingdom. Also the elements.................earth, air, fire and water.  Shocked

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Reply #19 - Sep 10th, 2005 at 12:02pm
 
When I was a college professor of religious studies, one of my colleagues, a Hindu scholar, had two cartoons taped to his office door.

In one cartoon, a long-faced fellow in a white robe stands in front of a reincarnation desk.  The guy at the desk says, "Oh, I'm so sorry.  Jack rabbits are booked up for the next 200 years.  How about a snail darter?"

In the other cartoon, people in white robes are lining up to enter the pearly gates of heaven.  They have to walk past the guy at the reincarnation desk.  The guy reminds them: "Don't forget to get your hand stamped."

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Reply #20 - Sep 10th, 2005 at 1:33pm
 
ROFLOL  Cute Don. Wink

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Reply #21 - Sep 10th, 2005 at 2:11pm
 
HI Again-

IMHO the proof is in the pudding, so to say. I've had a great many people to siomply regress to being animals, and I dare to say anyone else would do so equally easily. Aside from my worm-self I recall a day camped out in the hills when I abruptly found myself looking down from the vantage point of a passing hawk, and then just as abruptly returning to look up at the bird.

On the basis of a dozen or two regressions where I asked people to go back as far as they could, I've gotten lots and lots of animal histories. At the same rtime, most of the histories reported to me have been congruent with time flow, so a lizard in the Jurassic would be a cave dweller in the Magdalenian (sp?) and an office woker in the present. The idea of going backwards out of temporal sequence, and out of developmental sequence, is what really fascinates me.

I have been working on a theoretical model of schizophrenia based on the idea of a mind that had adopted, in a prior lifetime, a lot of values that were based on self-negating actions (like power and control based on killing and torture, which is self-negating because ultimately we are all one). Then in the next incarnation there are big gaps where those mental properties used to be, but self-destructed because of their non-rational nature. The leftover bits and pieces thus default to long prior lifetimes, usually ones in which the psyche was much more brutal, so that efforts to create improvement are presented as threats in the present, just as we sense regret it the present for past misdeeds. This would explain the emergenbe of seemingly detached hostile personality fragments in the schizoid delusional world.

Obviously, the passage of the psyche through an orderly progression of states, plus options for rearrangements and adjustments based on the results of ongoing activities, is a central interest for mental health. I'd love to be able to do a formal experiment in this regard!

Regression is so easy, that it actually can be done with nearly zero training (I used to teach it to groups in 45 minutes). I'll post instructions on my site, so you and others can poke about here as well. mind-body-spirit-hypnoclinic.com and see for yourselves.  I'm interested in feedback, whenever you get around to trying it out.

I recall a story in which the long line at the Pearly Gates had totally stalled, because they had to wait for God to return from some outside activity. Eventually a man appeared with a stethescope around his neck, and he walking in through a side door. The line again started to move. When questioned, St Peter explained, "Well, that's how God is. Sometimes He likes to play Doctor."

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Reply #22 - Sep 10th, 2005 at 7:44pm
 
I thank everyone for there energy ,I know I started with a question of which I already new the answer.

You see my little girl is indeed a soul who has travel this earth plane in human form.As I said earlier she told me she was finding the going ruff the hole evolutionary thing was getting to much for her and she needed a holiday. So here she is with me living the high life,meals fully catered , free range chicken ,stir fry most nights, sleep's on my bed wakes when she feels like it.Walks out in the sun,smelling the ever green parkland just over the
road,it a vacation after all.

I joke about it all the time, I think to myself, if this is a vacation then shes in  first class no expense speared.And one other thing on this vacation she has someone who loves her ,and shows that love to her everyday.What a way to recharge your soul and help you see that through all the pain of evolution you can make it.

We have eternity to grow ,so why not take a little Holiday if your feeling bummed out .What dose it really matter your in for the long ride. I'm so glad she chose me,and when her time here is over I can see her in the astral I'm sure we will be good Friends.
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Reply #23 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 1:38pm
 
LightsRon, you have a beautiful story and we are all thinking it is hard to grasp. yet look at how the thread developed that u started.  Cheesy. it makes me think about animals and about myself, my own stories to tell. it is not hard to understand human consciusness if u can think of awareness, pure intelligence, pure love, how this energy knows no boundaries of physical construction. I retrieved my pet duck one. I flew with it in the sky..I was..yes, as strange as it sounds, I was a blue swedish duck..just for a moment...just for the sensation of flying with wings that had never touched the sky ever before, and flew to no destination, just to fly..to feel the freedom of the outstretched wing and how the wind beneath the wings supported me, so very high up. I had to retrieve the duck you see, as it had become another animal's din din Angry  I wanted to thank the duck for opening my heart; this it had done for me Smiley his name was Mr Blue. then, as if to confirm the authenticity of my very real experience, my daughter excitedly rushed in one day to tell me she had had a dream where she saw me as half duck, half human. although this is not, I repeat, a flattering image to see Tongue yet I understood well. I understood that love had bonded me to Mr Blue for a moment of retrieval. for I knew beyond all doubt that as we flew I was helping mr blue to continue his duckness in the duck kingdom somewhere and if I wished to visit with him again, that I would and could, so that the grief inside of me was now gone. when we love something, either animal or human there is always that grief to deal with when they leave us. thank god I can understand retrieval better these days as a fine method of evolvement.

Dave, some comments on your fine work of regression. yes, it is easy to do..but we still need people like you to keep saying this as we just don't get it yet. I once regressed my own daughter; when she couldn't get anything, I entered the imagination for her. I even saw the boyfriend she was with now, with her in this other life, for he would cling to her in this life, as she had died early in the other, before their relationship could blossom. his name was Dirk, in this life his name is Dan. I don't make it a practice to do regressions either for myself or others because its such a new concept all in all within our time of history to be accepting that we can be much more than just what our present life presents to us...and my guides have told me that I must be about the intentions why I came here and focus only on that. I will say to view the past lives has been mind boggling and also very distracting to my present life, yet at the same time, now I know how I came to my viewpoint that humanity is all ONE entity experiencing individuality for the sheer adventure, for the sheer ability to do it, for the sheer gift it is to be alive in a body exploring a multiplicity of experiences available for the asking.

I like your little jokes Dave Grin sometimes God likes to play retriever too! ha ha ha!

love and light and a whole lotta mush coming yer way guys... Grin alysia
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Reply #24 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 3:36pm
 
Hi, a little cat story:
Once my mother visited her sister. Then, they heard a sort of crying. It turned out it was a very little cat, left all alone. My mother took it home, it survived and has become a big cat now.
My mother told me, she had a very hard time back then, and looking back this cat was a kind of miracle. She had to be a caring mother for it, and it took her away from her sorrow, which was deeply needed. She said she don't know what would have happened if this little cat hadn't come into her life at this very right moment.
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Reply #25 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 4:04pm
 
Alysia I loved your duck story.

Spooky, I think pets are given to us for this very reason, we need them just as much as they need us, maybe more.   Hey, since we're on the subject of pets, let me tell you, I had a cat named Spooky when I was a kid.  I watched him being born when I was 3 and he died when I was 17.  It's a long and sad story how he died so I won't even go into it, but he did come visit me several times after his death in my dreams! 
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Reply #26 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 7:07pm
 
Hi Alysia-
I knew another duck person. My sister-in-law used to mention things that would happen during the time when she was a duck, and also during the time that she was a lady bug. I never quizzed her on it, but it sounds OK to me.

Perhaps this is an area worth further exploration. I wonder if there is a set sequenceof animals we pass through, or whether we have parallel paths through quivalent species. I posted a regression How-To on my site for anyone who needs it. mind-body-spirit-hypnoclinic.com Obviously, that "url" trick you showed me works great!
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Reply #27 - Sep 12th, 2005 at 5:28am
 
Thanks Vicky for your "spooky" words. I like cats. (And ducks too! Dogs are not my cup of tea)  And of course I too have some sad cat stories to tell, I know that. Can really traumatize you.
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Reply #28 - Sep 13th, 2005 at 10:09am
 
I have a friend here who is a duck lady, that is she has 12 ducks (never had children). They are her babies. I wouldn't doubt a bit now after reading all this that she has a very strong connection to the 'duck world' and was probably a duck in a past life.  Roll Eyes

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