Dear Astral Family

I’ve read Monroe’s books and Bruce’s “Curiosity’s father” and several other books focused at very similar subjects.

The main parts of those books are clear to me but one that remains hard to me to understand it is the “retrieving of an aspect of the self”.

I seems (according to my understand of the book) that we belong to a disk (over soul) and its capable of creating a new being (probe) from a mixture of its traits (members of the disk) and send it to a new reincarnating process till it accomplishies it’s part of its research process in the ELS (earth live system).

That said. I would say that we (the probes) as a small copy of our disk have inside our selves’ traits (past lifetimes memories) that can be seem as individuals if we prefer.

Anyway when Bruce says that he has retrieved an aspect of Him self it sounds very confusing to me. It sounds like if one of those traits of the self (past lifetimes) was living externally Bruce’s soul, as an individual. Can anyone explain me it better?

Thanks Vicky I almost got there.

I'm looking forward for the next tips we are going to receive here.

What I mean is that when talking about retrievals, people get stuck in Focus 23, even if the retrievee is an aspect of your own self.  It is a state of consciousness created by the stuck person, who will be re-living their own death for instance, or living a loop of existence because they are unable to move past it.  It is their own beliefs and fears that have them stuck there, thus the need for retrieval.  It is not the same as living in the physical world. 

Sorry, I am not the best to describe all this.  And I don't know how much you have read of Bruce's books. 

C1 is what they call the physical plane that we live in.  Focus 23 is a non-physical plane of existence that a person needing retrieval can be found.  Focus 27 is a non-physical place where helpers are waiting to help, meaning they help integrate the retrievee to the fact that they are no longer living. 

More specifically, it should be understandable that if you were to retrieve an aspect of yourself, that it would have psychological healing aspects for you in your present life. 

I hope I am making it more clear.  Please let me know if I can explain more! 

Vicky   

Hi Kardec and everyone,
I would try a hypothesis, based on my explorings, just for now:
There are different kinds of self-retrievals:
1. Those who are "probes" sent out from the I/There, appearing as different persons from your actual one, (so called) past lifes, stuck somewhere (maybe even simultaneaous or future lifes).
2. Those who are split off a) from your actual life/person, mostly in a crisis, b) from a different probe of your I/There.
3. Those who separated from each other, who were formerly bound together for becoming one person but the mixture of the new person created from the I/There contains too strong self-consistent parts so that they don't grow together and therefore separate again after death (or even before, in the same body).

All these parts/aspects can shutdown their information connection to the whole, the I-There, but, that is what RAM suggests to me, there is a deeper connection which causes that those "lost" parts will not left behind but one day retrieved.
bye, spooky

Kardek, maybe we can explore together these concepts where you are trying to establish location as we know location to be within physical dimension.
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You said: Between C1 and Focus 27 there are not only (obviously) places were people whose physical lifetime had finished and they have not reincarnated yet along with people who is in OBE or any other uncommon state of awareness but also places were traits of OUR SELVES who got lost along our experiences are stuck in?
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here in C1, a place of limited perceptions (all true, all false) we drive to an address when we want to be in another location for whatever reason. in the back of your mind, keep this idea that we have an aura, which is like our sphere of thought; within it orbits our personal universe; it is not seen usually by the physical eye, only the advanced can see it. all those thoughts and feelings and interpretations and a warehouse of experiences float in this personal orbit which is us.

in the afterlife, to explore it, we say, I think I would like to go to focus level 27 and check it out. since we don't know if we actually are in focus 27, we might see someone out there and ask. where am I? is this focus 27? if this person u ask does not answer you, or answers you with a question such as "What are you talking about focus 27? suffice it to say you are not in focus 27. you are likely to be in focus 23 and u can be retrieving another from there if u wish, and if they want to go with you. the levels overlap and do penetrate each other to an extent because it is not like driving to an address like it is here. not a location. we use the numbered levels to try and produce a map for ourselves, such as we use here. focus 22 I believe is where some beings live and float to my understanding, and correction is encouraged, that this is where you will find beings with althimers or some time of brain problems and I suspect some fragments of people, and is most likely where I retrieved a child aspect of myself. to me, she was real, she was needing to be found, she was physical to her perceptions. we think of only physical being real. physical is only another idea. for scientists have discovered there is no solidity there between the cells, but space is there, reduced to a form of energy. we are energy beings without the body. my child was of energy construction. I needed that energy to come back into my adult self..for only within her could I experience my life with the wonder of the child's vision, which increased my level of energy in what we call a physical way as well. I became like her mother, because she did not have mothering. she might have been floating on focus 21. I don't know. I'm just glad guides showed me she was there and she was real and she only waited to be retrieved. whereever she was, she's not there now! yaaaahhh!

A little about other fields of thought...Elias said this: whenever you are in a room with another, there is more than two people in the room. there are four people in the room. four self images, correct or incorrect, there are four. as you know self images are only images of limited perceptions. you may call these probes.

heres the clincher what he said! he said that we perceive two physical beings in the room, but that there are four <PHYSICAL> beings present in the room. Huh? didn't get it. He said because we create each other in our minds as we percieve the other person to be, even though we don't perceive correctly all the time. but still how can there be 4 physical beings there when all I "see" is two? because you are looking with two physical eyes which only sees physical objects ...there is another set of eyes related to vision, to a 6th sense which we begin to develop, which will allow us to see what we are creating by default, that we do create each other, that we do create a God in our own image, just as a God might create his children in his image. still, how can the astral world be seen as a physical world as well, I might pursue diligently...??
because physical is just energy frozen like someone said here most aptly, it is "slowed down" energy, even energy like not moving at all as in Stuck. lol. how can this be? well, it happened. so we move each other here, do we not? ha ha! love ya, alysia  we be rockin you guys...we be rockin now....

yes, I like it a lot too!   but the only way I know to go on with the subject is by somebody having a question   then I can try to come up with an answer   is why I am having fun!
maybe somebody else will keep the thread going then. love, alysia

Kardec, I too had a very hard time understanding retrieving aspects of ourselves. I didn't see how it was possible that we could lost parts of ourself in this or any other lifetime.

It wasn't until I took Lifeline at TMI that I began to understand. On the last tape of the program, we were to retrieve lost aspects of ourselves. From my Lifeline notes:

My last retrievals. I went to F27 and asked for a Helper.  This time the Helper flew holding hands with me and I could look over and see him/her.  I perceived a Light being with robe flowing.  We flew over the Belief System Territories and I could see people and churches and buildings and so much that I had never perceived before.  Then we were over F23 and I was searching for someone to retrieve when all of a sudden, like a magnet, 2 girls were holding onto my shoulders.  When I put my arms around them, I knew they were me.  The one on my left shoulder was Innocence.  The one on my right shoulder was my Child Within.  Both had been lost during my 28 years of abuse.  It was such an incredible feeling.  I didn't cry which amazed me at the time.  All I could do was smile and laugh and be happy.  When Bob's voice said to take whoever we had to the Reception Center, I held on even tighter and brought them back with me to C1.  They are being slowly integrated and I can still feel them on my shoulders, but they are getting lighter as they reintegrate.

This took me awhile to fully understand that it was possible to lose aspects of ourselves because I experienced retrieving them. Since then I have retrieved many lost aspects of myself from this lifetime (deliberately). I knew I'd lost a lot of myself with 28 years of physical, mental and emotional abuse.

I have also retrieved many of my selves from past lives that were stuck.

I don't know if this helps you any. I feel you have to experience it to begin to understand.

Love, Mairlyn

Glen, I don't know if this will bring clarity, but I did a self retrieval by asking if I could have a guide come to me. I didn't have any tapes to study first. I just had a belief that maybe someone would help me; someone I could not see, I just pretended the guide was there and it worked. now I think these guides are supposed to remain invisible to you, so that you can get a sense of your own strength to follow through with the experiment of self retrieval, for it always seems like an experiment with a risk of failure. I think a little trust opens the doorway to see and understand the child who must have felt great truama and broke off.

I can say that your energy level will increase, you will feel livelier, and find more peaceful feelings with self retrieval, but also does the child rejoin you within process. it can seem like a 2nd childhood, it was for me. just ask your own guidance, try it and see if it works. love, alysia