Hi guys. Since some people are talking a bit about books... im reading david ickes new book atm - Infinite Love is the Only Truth, Everything Else is an Illusion. He literally expounds that EVERYTHING except infinite love is an illusion and is part of the Matrix that seeks to control, manipulate, and 'feed' off us, and he  includes the afterlife in that premise, to which he surmises: anything that vibrates is illusion and is part of the Matrix, and only that which does NOT vibrate is Infinite Consciousness, which is beyond the Matrix. THAT'S why people get stuck after death, he explains, because the whole machinery of the Matrix, which includes the aftertlife, is solely designed to prevent us from achieving the awareness of Infinite Consciousness and Infinte Love, either in physical reality- or non-physical reality.  Looks like it's doin a good job, huh...
Love and Light (..of the Infinite variety)
Michael, London

Michael, I think you will find behind Davids writings there is a darkness, and this darkness dose not lead to the light. It seems always prevalent that he, himself writes in fear.

look behind what is written and see the message, this is all i have to tell you.

Hi Marilyn

So what did you think was the basis for his ideas about Reptilians? He certainly has not been the only one to go in that direction.

If we create everything, then we are the matrix....

(well maybe our discs are...that level of creating is a little above me still)

I agree all is evolving and that to focus on the negative is to add to the negative. where ever we focus the mind and expect to see, we will see. what we see then becomes real to us. because it does have its particular ability to seem real and we can become convinced the world is coming to it's doom. simply by focusing on that. since time began, you can find these folks standing on street corners holding up a sign that says doomsday has arrived. nowdays you still see them now and then, long unwashed hair and a bad smell. we don't buy it anymore. however, now they are smarter. they write books and we read them. same thing though. proclaiming doomsday that never comes. I don't know about this book in this thread, as I have not read it. Mairlyn just gave you her review. I am not talking about any particular books yay or nay. just talking about a duality world where u can focus on positive thoughts or negative thoughts, it's your choice in the end. as for me, I look for people who give themselves away in lovingness, not plant seeds in my subconscious which tell me I'm going to hell in a handbasket shortly.   I may go to hell but I think I could get there on my own steam without help actually from somebody else's perceptions of this planet. I think they are mislead..looking in the wrong place is all, but it's their choice, what they are creating.
you can believe some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.

Jean I love your posts. I am going to ask the universe to supply you with a new computer so that I can selfishly enjoy your posts more... I'll start working on it right away!
lets see now, guess I'm off topic...hmm. sorry

I believe that LOVE is the highest vibration there is. ALL is vibration. Wwithout it, there's nothing..........no-thing. My beliefs anyway.

Love, Mairlyn

I have to agree that something is not right here.  When there is a strong focus on "they're out to control  us" and "demon" reptiles, I have to stop reading and see somthing is grossly inaccurate.  I too felt a decaying influence come from one of the books and had to take strong action.

(TRUE STORY!)
I threw one of the books into my fireplace as I felt that it would help dispell the "insanity" I had encountered reading it.  The book seemed to protest as it burned because it flipped open to a page with an inverted pentagram (Very strange).

I pass no judgement on David Icke, rather hold the dark forces at work possibly responsible for this.  I personally would be glad to see David realize a more balanced perspective as he may be being used by a sinister force, but I do not consider this absolute truth.

Now, the reason I never mentioned the book incident before was uncertainty and I felt it unnecessary until now.

hmmm. lucy, your thread makes me think of snakes I have kissed lol. ouch!

this morn I was thinking of this thread and evolution. I was thinking about how life was said to crawl up out of the ocean unto land. I saw myself a fish...I crawled up on the sand with bugged out eyes...flopped around..drat..no legs...so slivered a bit..and died there. decided next time I crawled out of water, I would surely grow myself a few legs...easier to get around you know..became a lizard, because I could dart away from predators faster that way..getting eaten by another creature is a total bummer..gradually from flying lizard I went to a monkey stage as swinging from trees is great fun and less predators could get me. perhaps I always retained a bit of lizard DNA. it was fun catching flys with my tongue, there was simply no room for error..after the monkey phase, well you know the rest of the story

Alysia

I was going to tease you about your fish story! but I decided it was a good idea. Phylogeny recapitulates ontogeny...or is it ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny...it works either way, no?...so maybe rebirthing ones self really should involve recapitulating phylogeny too...to touch that sense of oneness with all life. Or maybe rain that laughs is the fish equivalent of laughing gas for us, and the fish got a good dose.

I always was intrigued by RAM's story of being in the different animals' bodies...

(that frog tongue would come in handy in mosquito season.)

oh heck, Alysia, you made me think of one of my favorite songs, by Dave Carter, who is now singing on the other side (hope he doesn't mind being in a topic about reptilians) here are the words

http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/dave-carter-and-tracy-grammer/gentle-arms-of-...

Sometimes I get tears in my eyes about the "This is my home" part

In the ideas of evolutionary theory, phylogeny is the evolutionary history, the geneology of a species (as in "man evolved from apes" kind of thing, or we have common ancestors with dogs.This sets the creationists on edge, but personally sometimes I think it raises our level of dignity to think we had common ancestors with dogs, given some of the human behavior that exists). Ontogeny the study of embryotic development. The development from fertilized egg to complete baby is well-studied and the process is divided into stages and each stage has a name.

The embryonic development of all vertebrates shows remarkable similarities. If you look at the development of many different species after fertilization of the egg, you see that the embryos go through analagous physical forms to reach their final form. There are differences, so it is more symbolic to say "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny" than it is 100% literal. The 100% literal level would mean that the human embryo, in its journey to babyhood, would go through (recaps) all the same stages as the embryos of the "lower" animals from which we evolved our physical form, just adding on the stages that make us human at the end. This idea hasn't withstood the test of time, but the phrase has been passed on. Besides,there are alot of similarities.

In looking at Kimball's Biology Pages, I see that at the embryonic stage of development known as the pharyngula, all embryos have a series of paired branchial grooves (whatever that is! you'd need a picture to define that). The branchial grooves are matched on the inside by a series of paired gill pouches.So at this point, we vertebrates are the same. In fishes, the pouches and grooves eventually meet and form the gill slits, which allow water to pass from the pharynx over the gills and out the body. In other vertebrates, the grooves and pouches disappear. In humans, the chief trace of their existence is the eustachian tube and auditory canal which (interrupted only by the eardrum) connect the pharynx with the outside of the head.So here we diverge.

These days, alot of comparisons of this type are done comparing the DNA from different species to see how similar or different a particular molecule may be between two species. This is used to gauge when they diverged on an evolutionary scale. For instance, Cytochrome c, which is involved in respiration, is found in the mitochondria of every aerobic eukaryote — animal, plant, and protist. The amino acid sequences of many of these have been determined, and comparing them shows that they are related.

I like the idea that there might be something in conciousness that also "evolves" from one-celled organisms to us, so I like the idea of experiencing crawling out of the ocean and proclaiming "this is my home" ! Wonder what we can learn from that?

Humor...I don't think anyone has a definitive model of why we laugh. That's one of those things where the best rule is "Just do it!" That's pretty good, to get some laughs going with a JW. But some people just have a deeper appreciation of the better things in life, like laughing. Speaking of good lyrics, I bought a compilation of "Hello Mudda" Allen Sherman's work to share with my son a while back. Damn, he was good at being funny. Yeah, that rolling on the floor level of laughter is fun. Why is there so much tension in the world? How can we get George and Osama laughing so hard they roll on the floor? I wonder if reptilians have a sense of humor? Are all their jokes tongue in cheek? 

I saw David Icke's books in a book store, and just wasn't drawn to them.  Going by the info shared, I guess I didn't miss out on anything. This fearmonger business is contrary to my experience. Not to say that I've experienced everything.

Lately I don't even want to buy books, because I prefer to rely on inner guidance, and I don't want to use my time trying to figure out whether a particular writer or source is for real.

I did buy several Bruce Moen books lately, because I felt inwardly drawn to them. I also just recently ordered a Rosalind Mcknight (spelling?) book.

Some of Bruce's experiences match my own. For example, occasionally I'll click out. This isn't just a matter of falling asleep.

Man, I hope it's significantly easier to figure things out when you aren't involved with a body, because I find it really annoying to not know how things work.