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Ally_Uk
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Fearing Death
Aug 30th, 2005 at 3:57pm
 
Why do We fear death?

It's the only certainty in life we know is going to happen from the day we are born we are dying.

I don't fear death the pain

The thing I fear about death is the term

" nothing"

It's hard for us to understand

As for God and religon

I am a firm beliver that Religion was created and is a means to keep human society on the right track

but obviously it didn't work out look at the muslims!

As for God and the afterlife i'm not one to slate this but hey until somebody can actually prove this 100% you might aswell belive in Santa Claus

the bible is a book of facts could of been written by anyone where is the 100% evidence that this is even true?

there is none that is why religon is a fad

As for the soul once again we have no scientific evidence this exsists!

So why do people follow? because they are scared of the unknown they look to religon as a means for comfort hoping that the imaginary man above will save them!

As for Hell come on guys that was created aswell to scare society into thinking that when they create a sin they will be sent here!

but what it you went through life died and found out that it was the opposite way around and that you were rewarded for sinning? and God was really evil

hmmmm now wouldn't that just be funny

you cant slate the above comment because once again how do you know this? you can't prove it

Scientists should develop away of putting the body into a death trance so we can truly see what lurks the other side.

any thoughts?
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Reply #1 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 4:04pm
 
I have no fear of death..I've seen the other side, yes it is possible.  No, I can't prove it to you..you have to prove it to you. Wink
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Reply #2 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 4:08pm
 
The only way to know for sure is to experience it yourself which is so easy to do. Read this whole website, get Bruce's books. Happy discoveries. Wink

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Reply #3 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 4:13pm
 
Reading a book doesn't help you discover the true meaning of something!

It's coming from a persons perspective which truthfully is the own individuals visions of things

how can he 100%ly prove that the afterlife exsists?

and how can you reach it? i don't understand you need to elloborate
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Reply #4 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 4:16pm
 
I didn't say he could prove it. Only you can prove it for yourself. But reading his books help IF you want to find out for yourself. To elaborate, Bruce's books and CD's teach you how to do it. No promises of proof, just your own explorations. Many of us here visit the afterlife quite often. You can too IF you are willing to put time into learning.  Roll Eyes

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Reply #5 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 4:18pm
 
How do you know that is the afterlife?
It could be your brain just having delusions?

hehe sorry but i really am optimistic
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Reply #6 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 4:36pm
 
Since you're not taking me seriously, then I can't give you any more help. No, you are pessimistic, not optimistic. If you were optimistic, you would at least work at it instead of trying to get others to prove the existance of the afterlife to you instead of doing it yourself.

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Reply #7 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 6:29pm
 
Hi Ally_Uk,
>>>As for the soul once again we have no scientific evidence this exsists!<<<
There is no scientific evidence that YOU exists, too.

I've heard about some convincing Near Death Experiences, included experiences while zero-line EEG. Search, and you'll find.

There are many threads here on this site that are about the problem you told of. So, click around!

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Reply #8 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 7:30pm
 
The fear of death is an important topic.  I know this from personal experience.  My father exists right now in his 80s in a semi-vegatative state due to a progressive dementia.  He has no quality of life, unfortunately, he is bedridden, and despite our family providing round the clock care, he is not part of life - not even in significant conversations.  Seeing my son (his grandson), seems to hold some meaning for him as he drifts in and out of wakefulness.  I believe that he does not believe in the afterlife, and has always loved this existence, and is holding on, no matter what, as an alternative to nonexistence - a frightening alternative to any of us. 

If we fear death, and we live, just to cling to life, there is no enlightenment.  There is no meaning.  Actually, a related question comes to mind, morbid as it is.  And that is: what is a good death?

I believe that, from my experience and readings, a good death would be one that was not drawn out, somehow, not clouded by narcotics, where one can make the transition with one's soul "awake".  Unfortunately, medical conditions, accidents and tragedies are somewhat random, and we do not often have control of our ultimate fate.

I can only hope that if members on the board seek knowledge and enlightenment, we/they may have  a bit more control of the very end - but I do not know this for sure.

Matthew
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Reply #9 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 10:34pm
 
Ally,

Perhaps, "proof" is the wrong word.  You would settle for "persuasive" evidence, would you not?  Isn't the real issue the quality of verification of afterlife evidence?  With that in mind, I have two suggestions: (1) that you read and engage my two most recent posts: "Swedenborg: Father of Astral Projection" and "OBE and Phasing Evidence for an Afterlife"(currently on p. 2 of this section);  (2) that you read David Fontana's book "Is There an Afferlife?  A Comprehensive Overview of the Evidence."  If you read this book, I would be delighted to  engage you in a dialogue about the issues it raises in a thread on this site.

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Reply #10 - Aug 31st, 2005 at 4:05am
 
Hey it's not death I am fearing it's the term nothingness

when the body is Starved of oxygen you will feel euphoria for a short while

( explains what people call near death experiences bright lights etc)

But obviously when the brain and nervous system fully shut we ceast to exsist

I think it will feel like exactly before your born! you have no recollection of anything no fear no memories no perception you wouldn't even realise you ceast to exsist as you have no recollection of yourself if that makes sense.

It's basic science no fairy tale stuff such as a soul is magically going to rise

the body will cease to function your brain containing the memories and the depths of your mind will be starved of oxygen making the body not function so why fear death?

you won't even know it's happening

as for the reading material sure i'll look into it if somebody can provide me some links

always keen to expand my knowledge on this subject

you cannot slate a individuals views we are all uniques not one person on this planet knows the truth it's a discovery we're all here to learn.


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Reply #11 - Aug 31st, 2005 at 5:41am
 
Hi Ally, you have arrived at an important stage in life - you see how bibles, hell and so on, were invented and used as control mechanisms.
Next step, I suggest, is 'who' invented these and 'why'.
Proof of anything is quite another kettle of sardines!
The folk who have 'been' to the next stage of Living, have had all the proof they might need - which, of course, is as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike, to those who haven't (yet) had such an experience.
Life is indestructable and you get exactly what you have earned - reaping as sown - which always applies, totally regardless of whatever you might choose to believe.
A great adventure in a wonderful Universe, packed with lessons and surprises.
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Reply #12 - Aug 31st, 2005 at 11:51am
 
ha ha! Grin  yes, right on, my "proof" can be like having an ashtray installed on a motorbike...!

to others...of course...a fine example of what I'm going thru also.

I always liked the things you had to say Hiorta....
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Reply #13 - Aug 31st, 2005 at 3:09pm
 
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If we fear death, and we live, just to cling to life, there is no enlightenment.  There is no meaning.  Actually, a related question comes to mind, morbid as it is.  And that is: what is a good death?


You can't know this for sure. There is always enlightment going on in the many levels that we each live on. And the enlightment may be for those who are close to the person. There is a reason for everything. Roll Eyes

I would say that a 'good death' is one that is painless and happy and full of joy at going 'home.' Wink

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Reply #14 - Aug 31st, 2005 at 3:23pm
 
Hey Ally_UK,

I know exactly what you mean, i have them questions. And i truly understand how you believe  we may have these experiences while alive with our hearts ticking and brain functioning but when we are dead how can it happen??

All i can say is near death experiences, people have been "dead" for some as 10 minutes in extreme cases yet still come back with stories of being elsewhere.....yet they were dead, no oxygen after 10 minutes surly, brain dead etc, how can it be?? a question to ponder.

Also how do we know its the afterlife we are travelling too when we OBE?? well i don't know yet, haven't got proof for myself even though i have been out a few times now and know there is something there. I guess when we bring back something with no remote possibilty of knowing in the whole universe, and its proves true..then we will know, but only we can find out, we can't be told as you well know.

I don't believe in a God, heaven and hell, i believe people are more experienced and oviously can lead, like on this board but i can't say i believe in a god, a creator...even though where did everything come from? and where did the creator come from? could go on for ages! lol but maybe i don't belive in this side because of my disbelief int he bible...i believe it was written...maybe on true stories but as a set of rules for society, to install beliefs which arent nessecialry true...once again personal opinion.

Also to explore yourself, read this site and seach, read everything you can, thats how i started. This site is how i began, i owe it a lot lol! and the people here are great and have lots of experience and very friendly, always willing to help so if your serious i would suggest reading all you can and get involved on here. Its a new world and it won't happen overnight!

Another argument is ok science science science but they can't explain our subconciousness, our soul yet....where are they, how do they work, science can't explain everything yet, maybe its possible we have an afterlife but science can't explain yet, for surely if it can't prove it wrong it could at least track down out mind....something easier i guess....

Ryan
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