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Reply #30 - Sep 4th, 2005 at 5:22pm
 
Interesting Dave. I don't remember where it was that I read about the weight of the soul but the weight always stayed with me. Maybe it was 13 gms but that still doesn't come out to 2.8 oz. Anyway, your explanations are really beyond me but interesting. Wink

What about, or maybe this was taken into consideration, when a person dies, I know that they urinate and defecate (censors, do what you can with that). So are they weighed after that? Well, I guess I answered my own question as if they're dead, then those body fluids and solids are already gone. OK I suddenly feel like I'm digging myself in a hole.  Grin

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Reply #31 - Sep 4th, 2005 at 7:08pm
 
I think the weight is actually 21 grams...it was in the movie "21 Grams" with Naiomi Watts and Benicio Del Toro and Sean Penn a couple of years ago, I'm pretty sure that the whole 21 grams thing was supposed to be the weight of the soul, what people inexplicably lose when they die.
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Reply #32 - Sep 5th, 2005 at 2:30pm
 
All i can say is i can't wait to meet you all on the other side, after experiencing all i can here first!

That will definatly be weird...will we still be who we are here or suddenly be totally different people? I hope we aren't too different....

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Reply #33 - Sep 5th, 2005 at 2:45pm
 
Don't worry Ryan, we will all still be the same.  When we all join that big conversation board in the sky it will be just like it is now, except without power failures or board crashes.  Won't that be a relief?   Wink


I can't wait to meet everyone too, except I want to do more exploring in the here and now first too.
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Reply #34 - Sep 5th, 2005 at 2:49pm
 
And I'll be sooo glad to get rid of the language limitations Tongue. Rotes for me only from then on in. Grin

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Reply #35 - Sep 5th, 2005 at 4:47pm
 
Hello everyone,
I have just joined this board though I've known about Bruce Moen for quite a while now.
I couldn't resist the temptation of posting my two cents (as Americans say)(I was born in Spain).
I turned 31 three days ago and all my life I wondered about God, about death, ... what if the afterlife was just something we believe in to avoid anxiety attacks when we reach a certain age?
I am a very spiritual person and I wish so hard for everything to be true but I can't help being plagued by doubt sometimes.
It doesn't help that I haven't had any experiences or that I always find explanations for the ones I do have.
For example, I was deep on meditation the other day when out of the blue I saw my father for a few seconds. My father died when I was 14 so I got quite emotional and I had to stop.
I was crying like an idiot but I kept talking inside my head saying things like  daddy, was that really you?, I miss you so much, I love you daddy?. Please don't leave me....
I heard five knocks on the ceiling and the monitor of my computer just blew off.
Now was that my father or is it all a product of my eager imagination?.
Was that my father or did my PC monitor just blew up for any other reason?.
I also heard a voice telling me how long I've got left to live if I don't take care of myself.
Was that brought on by my obssession with death or was someone really warning me?. And if they really were warning me, was there any need to give me an exact date of my death for me to go crazy sick with worry?.

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Reply #36 - Sep 5th, 2005 at 5:42pm
 
Sandra,

You probably got a date so you could grow past it in many ways. The intention behind getting that kind of info would be only to scare you no matter where it came from.

Anyhow, my dad died when I was 13 but came to me in a lucid dream to explain why. I felt thrilled that he was actully there sitting in a chair right across from.  That was a few years ago when I was in my mid fifties but the memory of that meeting is still fresh in my mind.  For me, I took about 40 years for him to visit but considering, I didn't expect to see him here at all-that's still pretty groovey. Shocked Grin

Hint: Just listen to the words that are loving and helpful-when you are given any negative unhelpful messeges-tell them to "go jump in the lake!!!"

So glad you stopped by. Love, Jean Kiss
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Reply #37 - Sep 5th, 2005 at 8:33pm
 
Hi Sandra -
My Dad died while I was in my office at Washington State University. I could see him, he seemed to be attached to a big root thing, and he told me a really bad joke, and then was gone.

I suggest that you take the experience on faith, and realize that the "spirit world" is not elsewhere, in some distant galaxy, but that it is here and now, and overlaps our own world.

In fact, everyone is always available to us, but not always in the form we would prefer. Aside from that, you could doubtless use trancework of some kind to contact your Dad any time you wanted.

As for the advice, I suggest that you weigh it carefully, and unless it involves making foolish changes, follow their suggestions. Often our loved ones can see things coming a lot better than we ourselves.

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Reply #38 - Sep 5th, 2005 at 9:09pm
 
it is a little difficult for spirits to be heard Sandra, especially since we have not developed the 6th sense as a whole, but during these times we have assistance to make contact with loved ones. it does seem very unlikely that just when you see his face your computer would go down and rapping is heard. as for a warning about taking care of the body or looking after it or death will come earlier than desired, I had one of those warning also...20 years ago. I must of did something right, I'm still here. mainly, I had fears that I would die and just not be ready for that. so when I woke up I decided to start doing everything I wanted to do. I just needed to be woken up that this life is temporary. we forget so easy how short life is. and the dream made me conscious of that. somebody said today is the first day of the rest of your life, thats what I mean. but no life is a waste, even if to die young, still, is good to have a life at all. love, alysia
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Reply #39 - Sep 5th, 2005 at 10:26pm
 
Sandra,

I'm glad your spiritual quest is checked by a healthy skepticism.   The balance will help you develop the gift of discernment.  This gift eludes so many because they are blinded by wishful thinking and their urge to embrace dangerously simple answers to bafflingly comolex questions.   This urge often generates counterfeit spiritual experiences. 

Paranormal knocks are one of the most common ways deceased spirits make their presence known.  Explosions associated with furniture sometmes acconpany spirit manifestations, though this is less common.   So the combination of the 5 knocks and the monitor blowing up is a good sign that a real spirit manifested to you. 

But was that spirit really your father?  Lower spirits often impersonate others.  I'd encourage you to lovingly  meditate on this question.  Give yourself permisson to vaccillate over time until a settled conviction emerges one way or the other.  At that point, embrace whatever you sense. 

It may interest you to know that Carl Jung, one of the pioneers of modern psychiatry, often experienced spirit manifestations accmpanied by explosions within book cases, knives, and other artifacts.  Once he even announced to Sigmund Freud (an atheist) that such an explosion would immediately happen--and it did!  It blew the famous Freud's mind and he later wrote a nervous letter trying to rationalize the experience.  Freud's letter is contained in Jung's biography. 

I would be careful about accepting the voice that told you how long you would live.  My Dad's friend Helmut was told by his Dad at a young age that he (the Dad) would die on his 91st birthday.  He did!  Astral adept Emanuel Swedenborg knew the exact date of his own death years in advance and also knew the exact date on which certain others would die.  I myself have had many accurate death premonitions.

If your date is many years in advance and your awareness of it brings you peace, then it just may be genuine.  On the other hand, if you find this knowledge oppressive or if the message warned you that you would die young, I'd take that as a sign that the source was a deceptive spirit.  In that case, if you also sense that the same spirit created the knocks and gave you the impression that he was your father, I would be inclined to reject the whole manifestation as a great deception. 

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Reply #40 - Sep 6th, 2005 at 5:00am
 
Hi again,
Thank you all so much for taking the time to answer me and try to help me out of my confusion. I think I am going to love it here.

Peace, Love and Light.

Sandra.
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Reply #41 - Sep 6th, 2005 at 5:54am
 
Dear laffingrain,
Thank you for your comments.
I don't know if you would agree with me or not but if you believe what many have reported, spirits have been known to make contact in many different ways and a 6th sense has not been required to perceive their communications.
Also I'd like to explain that all the things that happened that night did not happen simultaneosly.
I saw my father and he looked much younger than I remember him. He wasn't wearing the glasses he needed when he was alive and all this surprised me as I thought spirits would take the appearance you remember them by.
I heard the tapping when I asked if that was really him but I don't know for sure he was the one tapping.
After the speakers of my PC started buzzing like when a mobile phone is about to ring. It would come and go until finally my monitor blew up. All this lasted for about 20 minutes from the moment I saw my father until my monitor broke.
Still I have nothing to prove 100% that it was him but there's most definitely a chance that it was. One thing that makes me wonder is how I wasn't scared. I was just heartbroken by the whole experience, and if you knew me you would expect me to be scared out of my skin but somehow I just wasn't.
The message about my own death did not come to me that night either, sorry if I didn't explain myself properly. That was given to me one morning when I was in that stated where you are not asleep nor yet awake.    
Anyway, all of the posts helped, thank you again everyone and I hope to be able to be here for you as well.

Peace, Love and Light.

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Reply #42 - Sep 6th, 2005 at 7:57am
 
Welcome Sandra!

I was with my father when he passed a few years ago.  He was very distraught and afraid to die.  Just before he let go of his body I heard a voice call his name twice.  Moments later he let go of his body for a few seconds and then went back into it in an attempt to cling to life here I presume.  Probably less than a minute later he let go of his body and joined the spirit world.  Before this event I’d had numerous experiences interacting with the spirit world so I already had no doubts about all of us as eternal beings.  A few days later I was also able to visit with him and knew that he had adjusted to this transition very well.

I think so many people live their life in denial of their own death.  Sure we know it’s inevitable, yet at the same time it terrorizes us so much that we try to push it away from us by either refusing to think about it or living in such a way that leads us to believe that everyone will die except me.  The alternative to this is to either be constantly living with this fear of death, letting it dictate everything we do, or we can accept our own death right now.  Why accept it now?  Because eternal life is now and it lasts forever.   

The fact is that… if life is eternal, then the life we are living here on earth is not life.  We all need to learn to be comfortable with the concept of what eternal means and begin to see ourselves as eternal beings.  We all know deep inside of us that we are infinite beings.  Each of us has carried this wisdom throughout the ages.  What we think of as life is really just an illusion that our ego has created.  We think we are our body, our intellect, our possessions, etc. and daily we reinforce this belief by not allowing ourselves to connect with and embrace infinity.  Perhaps we do this because we don’t have a clear concept of what it means to be eternal. 

For example the people here on this board discuss this belief or that belief and whether or not this view is correct or that view is correct, and we all share our experiences with each other as well.  It seems that we all need to analyze these things in order to change our thinking to that which is eternal. 

Basically there are probably only two points of view regarding our own death.  The first one says that we are our physical body and we live here on earth for a few years or many years and then ultimately we either die in an accident or we get sick and die and when this happens, then we are annihilated and dead forever.  The second point of view is very simply that we are an eternal being or soul experiencing a temporary expression of living in the flesh.  In this second point of view only our physical body dies, not the soul that we truly are.  And that since we are an eternal being we were created whole and perfect and that the physical body we are experiencing emanated from an eternal Source or the Universal mind of the collective. 

This Universal mind is formless and it takes a while for us to grasp what it means to be formless energy, but from my experience it is the pure energy of love, peace, gentleness, kindness, beauty and creativity that can never die because there’s no physical form as we know it involved so there’s no possible way that it even could deteriorate and waste away.  I’ve always remembered something I learned in school many years ago.  That is that science has proven that energy can neither be created, nor can it be destroyed… only changed in form.  Basically, this means that we are frozen lumps of energy so to speak… that can never be destroyed.

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Reply #43 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 3:22pm
 
laffingrain:

I'd wave back at you, but I don't know how to the symbol. Therefore, I'll just smile hardily.  Grin "Oh, that hurt."



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nicely phrased Wink I have to remember this. the brain is a storage compartment vehicle, the mind, with a small letter m, will reflect the brain's storage capacity to hold belief systems and information. the mind with a capital M,  is what holds my heart in place, safely, orderly and knows where I am at all times. I am connected now.

I wish to thank you for your posts. it is good to be here. just waving at you.images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/wave1.gif

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