Brendan-

Good for you!  You will be joining many folks who finally, after much reflection, realize that their experiences (much to their chagrin), were really bogus all along.

Finding out what the afterlife is really like isn't accomplished by making up imaginary conversations with deceased friends or relatives.  It's far more involved than that.  The process isn't quick and easy, or if it is, that kind of process will produce many misinterpretations and outright falsehoods. 

It's far better to wash you hands of this stuff and go out in the world trying your level best to help others in a compassionate, selfless way.  If you do that, you will be eons ahead of those who spend their time glued to their monitors hanging onto the words of the latest new age guru.

It's what we do while on earth in terms of helping others that really counts, not how many retrievals we "think" we have done or how many hours we have spent online.

The thing is, it's so much easier and seductive to surf the web looking for websites that supposedly have the answers we are looking for.  Easier, yes, but full of blind alleys and distortions.

Best of luck.

Roger

If your intent is to leave the board, go to Profile near the top of the page and at the bottom of the Profile page, click 'delete user.'  That's whats simple. What's hard is the seeking and I guess you just aren't up to it anymore. Go ahead and live your life as you see fit. You'll be back in your next incarnation to repeat learning the same lessons that you wouldn't allow yourself to learn in this lifetime. But that's ok, you have all of eternity   We tried to help you. 

With Love, Mairtreya   

Hi Brendan,

I hope you don't mind my breaking the news to you, but science as it's accepted in our society today is just another faith.  Not only that, but it involves unflinching belief in magic, which you claim to disdain.

Are you familiar with the theory of evolution; the idea that each species was somehow derived from another?  They're talking pure magic there.  And the belief that living things somehow miraculously appeared in an environment which previously lacked any signs of life.  That too is nothing but magic, taken on faith by those who believe it.

But I suppose you think of yourself as someone who relies solely on personal observation and experience, logic and rational thinking ~ not a man of faith.  Well, don't let me disturb your little illusion.  Go on telling yourself that you don't believe in magic or accept other people's ideas on faith.  Surely you'll do the research yourself when you want to know about things like DNA or the Big Bang, and not just believe what other people say about them.  Otherwise you'd end up being a man of faith, and we don't want that to happen, do we.

I'm really glad for you and your great moment of insight, but since you probably don't want others to take anything on faith either there's no point in telling them that you know the truth about how things really are.  They'd need to find out for themselves and not take your pronouncements on faith.

Best wishes,
Glen

Well, good luck to you, B.

I suspect many of us will be here if you ever want to lurk.  Or if you change your mind.  All the best to you in your search.

love, blink

( Please note : this post was composed in simultaneous reply to both Brendan's "I'm DONE with this $#!%" as well as Spooky's "Crisis", and thus I will reproduce this post on both threads. Kyo. )


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As far as the lifetime on Earth goes, it doesn't matter quite as much what you choose to believe/accept/agree, or not believe/accept/agree; what *is* of the utmost relevance, in terms of living a lifetime *successfully* (ie. making the most of precious time here on Earth), is the completion of the existential program.

The existential program, in a nutshell, is the overview of personalized, specific objectives and goals that you have set out to accomplish in this incarnation. Your (ie. this incarnation's) existential program, was 'written' as a collaborative joint-effort planning, with the main author being yourself (ie. your soul), with a great deal of discussion, assistance, advice and suggestions from your guides & helpers, teachers and evolutionary orientor, as well as in cooperation with the existential programs of others with whom you choose to work with in the upcoming liftime.

Afterall, a carefully planned lifetime will involve extensive karmic interactions with other 'friends & colleagues' with whom they are specific little co-existential programs for specific forseeable relationships.

This does not imply that everything is predestined, quite the opposite. This demonstrates that you *do* have free will (remember that *you* wrote your own existential program in your much more lucid capacity as an extraphysical being in the intermissive period), and have taken great effort towards implementing your free will, and have tremendous assistance, company and guidance of all the guides & helpers, and all your (soul's) loved ones, friends and family ('familiar ones'), even if you may have temporarily (during physical incarnation) forgotten about them, for they haven't forgotten you, nor will ever forsake you.

So to Brendan (and everyone else), whatever you believe or not believe, doesn't matter so much, as long as you complete your existential program.



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The crisis which you refer to, Spooky, is not so much one that wrestles with the question of validity of any of the spiritual concepts or experiences, but it is a (far more important) crisis, that of completing your existential program.


The mid-life crisis and mid-life depression that so many people (in fact, the majority of humans physically incarnate on Earth) experience to varying extents, is a manifestation and pre-warning of 'soul melancholy'.

That is, the sadness of the soul when it senses that, already halfway through it's physical incarnation, it is still far from accomplishing what it had set out to accomplish in this life, ie. its existential program.

This is the root cause of the most profound depression, one that sedative mind-numbing drugs only further exacerbates and hinders (any hope of fulfilling the existential program).

There are multiple objectives on multiple levels, some personal in nature (eg. karmic lessons), some involving specific relationships with others (eg. friends, family and intimate partners), and (for more evolved souls) participation in polykarmic projects of assistantiality (ie. any type of work which reaches out to, positively affects, and helps the lives of many others); these are some examples illustrating the intricate nature and complexity of a single incarnated human being's existential program.



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There are two separate aspects to this, and both must be carefully understood and approached correctly.

The suggestion given to you (it does not matter the exact identity of the energy or being who contacted you with this message, whether it be your own soul, a guide helper, intruder, etc), has important value, but only if you understand it correctly.

To be, first and foremost, then to do.

One must first be balanced, accepting and loving with your own being (ie. existence), without false reliance on any conditions external (ie. conditional love).

Eg. "I won't be happy unless I get that car" or "unless she marries me in this life" or even "unless I accomplish my existential program for this lifetime!"

All too many people live their lives as zombies, robots or puppets, seeking to fill up the hollowness deep within themselves with hollow external achievements and 'successes', such as academic, business/corporate, even relationship & family life. And for some, even contributing to charitable causes, but for the wrong reasons or seeking, and end up feeling hollow and unfulfilled.

But because these individuals were themselves NOT self-balanced, self-connected, self-accepting, self-lucid, self-loving and unconditionally loving, to begin with.

They are escaping from themselves (and their issues) in a desperate bid to seek themselves (and confront their issues), chasing their own shadows and ignoring (and separating from) their true selves.


Spooky (and everyone), if you attempt to accomplish any 'special tasks' or even that of your own existential program, without first attaining the pre-requisite of 'englightenment' in the BEING, you will not be able to truly or totally grasp the Joy or Love of the DOING. In other words, the 'special tasks' will not have the 'special meaning' it was originally intended to have. It would simply be a hollow task (for you), even if others might be positively affected by it (that would be good, but it could be better! And that, is up to you!).

Hence, this is the true value of the communication that was given to you (in your mind-journey), quite regardless of its original intention (and source).

ALL EXPERIENCES HAVE IMPORTANT VALUE AND DEEPER MEANING, REGARDLESS OF THE ORIGINAL INTENTION OR SOURCE BEHIND IT. AND ONLY YOU, NOT ANY OTHER BEING(S), CAN UNLOCK ITS *TRUE* MEANING, AND DETERMINE THE BENEFIT IT CAN GIVE TO YOU.


And once you have truly grasped (ie. determined for yourself) its meaning, and have successfully implemented it fully in your life (ie. made it real for yourself on all levels of your existence), then and only then, the next natural expression of your self-balanced, self-connected, self-accepting, self-lucid, self-loving and unconditionally loving, would be the completion of the existential program in its totality.


To reiterate, 'inner-enlightenment' must go hand-in-hand with 'outer-enlightenment', for the 'complete-enlightenment'.

To paraphrase, Evolution must go hand-in-hand with Assistantiality, for the complete Existential Experience.


So learn to "enjoy the present, live in the NOW, and don't care about whether I do something 'good' or 'bad'... That there isn't a special task that I *have* to do (to accept myself), only to live and to see that there is nothing to wish and nothing to do for me; to be unconditionally joyful and unconditionally loving at all times...", right now, then (*SIMULTANEOUSLY*) proceed to accomplish your existential program.

One does not take precedence or priority over the other. They are both pre-requisites for each other.


As to the exact specifics of your existential program, there are many ways to approach this. However, due to the extreme importance (and for some, urgency) of this subject, we wish to make known to the reader now, the existence of one particularly powerful avenue of communication and help, from the guides & helpers - The Hilarion Reading.

It is of course, only one of many such bridges or pathways. But for some of you, it is one that can indeed be the 'break' that you could really use.

In doing the Hilarion Reading, in which you get to ask 6 questions of a personal nature, dedicate at least one of the questions to asking for Hilarion's advice on the various aspects of your existential program.


The Hilarion Reading :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#Hilarion



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Enlightenment is to BE, and simultaneously to DO.


If you neglect one, you cannot fully do the other.
You must BE (unconditionally), only then you can you properly DO (extension of your BEing).

From the BEingness, you create the DOingness.
And in the DOingness, you live out your BEingness.

You will realize that both are aspects of each other; that both are One.


If you do not Love yourself, you do not truly Love others.
If you do not Love others, you do not truly Love yourself.

Only when you truly understand/choose/honour/cherish/enjoy/realize the Oneness of All Beings, and have choosen to give/accept *all of both* (self-is-fully-loved plus others-are-fully-loved, ie. self-is-truly-others plus others-are-truly-self), then you (God) have truly experienced Love.

Then you can truly experience (and enjoy) the complete existence of simultaneous BEingness & DOingness.


Meditations on Heart.Of.God, see here.

Work of Byron Katie (for BEingness), see here.

The Hilarion Reading (for advice on DOing your Existential Program), see here.

Life will be worth living again.

(To be precise you would realize that Life was *always* worth living, only that you had forgotten how to live it. Now here's your chance. Give it to yourself. And in doing so, to all your loved ones, to all other beings, and to the Cosmos.)

.............guess I am a little grumpy this morning myself......hmmmmpf....no soup for me!

Best wishes to ya Brendan.