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Aug 22nd, 2005 at 8:53pm
 
'allo??? anybody out there ???
(before I forget, short memory here...), Marilyn...I tried your little experiment with the computer and sending a contact 'email' to space visitors...either 'they aren't home'..or I haven't done it right! because I didn't get an answer... Cry
My question here is....ufo's, aliens and the afterlife, are they connected at all? Do aliens exist in the afterlife? Or are aliens just another form of life? Or are they the 'afterlife'?
I've had some 'experiences' with alien/ufo....whether it was real or just some weird dreaming going on....and I am really curious as to whether there is a connection between them and the other side.
Does any one here have any ideas on this?
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Reply #1 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 12:38am
 
Profound question!  Your question raises others such as these 3 questions: Can the hypnotic regression of alleged alien abductees be properly mined for reliable hints about alien spirituality?   Can the nephilim who impregnate human women in Genesis 6 be understood in terms of modern alien genetic experiments on abductees?   Both angels and demons can shapeshift.  So are modern aliens some type of angel or demon?  Instead of addressing these questions, I'll confine myself to a consensus independently achieved by two very different sources--Jesus' discussion of this issue with atheist Howard Storm during his NDE and Swedenborg's astral visits to Heaven.

This is Jesus' answer to Howard Storm's question during his NDE (quoted from "My Descent into Death"):  "Question: I asked Jesus: Have you been to another world besides my world?"

"He said he had been to every world in every time and space.  He said that he had brought the revelation of God to all intelligent beings.  Some beings had been as stubborn as we were to accept him, and many more worlds had gladly accepted him (p. 76)."

"It was explained to me that the universe is like a vast orchestra and God is the conductor.  Each individual is an instrument with unique qualities.  Each soul contributes in their unique way to the symphony of creation.  There is no past or future in the symphony, only present....We are the songs sung by heaven (p. 57)."    

Swedenborg would no doubt agree.  To quote Van Dusen's book, "The Presence of Other Worlds:"
"Heaven's diversity is beyond description, for it includes not only all who have lived on Earth, but all those from other planets in the universe as well.  Swedenborg affirmed that he had met others from other planets and that there are innumerable inhabited planets in the universe (p. 93).
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Reply #2 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 6:03am
 
I don't have the faintest idea, Mystic, although I used to be a lover of science fiction and very mildly interested in this topic. 

However, this is odd because I had the strangest dream last night.  I was standing outside a car on the driveway sopping wet and completely, shall I say, unencumbered by any clothes!  I don't know where I was.

From the corner of the rooftop a "grey" looking creature leaped down to me and another one from the side of me.  I was surprised and began attempting to fight them, and shouted "No" several times until I woke up actually mouthing "no" with a very unpleasant feeling.  From the left side of my bed I saw a faint face looking at me.   I couldn't believe this was actually happening to me, although I have read about these things so there would be no reason to think I wouldn't dream about it at some point.  But I never have before. 

Of course I woke up my husband to make it all go away.  I don't really have any idea what they were trying to do when I think back on it--we are just programmed to fear such a thing.   It could have been harmless.  Anyway, I really don't know what the purpose of all of that was, because my belief was that "I don't have "alien" experiences" and I found it interesting to find the topic here this morning.

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Reply #3 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 8:26am
 
Good Morning, Berserk....your reply is really interesting...I have read that some people believe that aliens are actually demons. That sounds kind of strange to me tho...because why would a demon or even an angel for that matter, need to travel around in a space ship?
And we have a member on this board who does hypnotic regression, don't we?? It's 'Dave' ?? I can't remember now...I wonder what he would have to say about the reliability of information received from regressed 'abductee's'...
BLINK has talked about a dream she had last night....it sounds very much like some of the dreams that I have had....I used to have all kinds of dreams such as she wrote about...until I started having gyn troubles and that ended in a hysterectomy.....and then those dreams stopped....now I just get hauled off in dreams to space travel to some planet...to observe what is happening. I don't think this is astral travelling...or OBE's......
..or could it be??? Is this what astral travel is like??
I am also interested in the biblical reference you made to Genisis 6............aren't there actually several references made in the Bible that could be taken as ufo/alien related??
When I read your sentence on human women being impregnated by alien life ( I wish I knew how to use 'quote' on here.... Tongue ).......I immediately thought of the Virgin Mary....how she became pregnant without ever having sex! So, then would it be safe to assume that Jesus was in fact an alien?? Maybe that is how he was able to do so many miraculous things??
What a concept this would be, to discover that the Bible and Jesus are all alien linked.......
...and geeze, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense: Mary suddenly pregnant....(wasn't there a bright light at the time she was impregnated....or at the time that she was told that she would become pregnant??........then Jesus is born....and, with all this incredible knowledge and supernatural power.......hmmmmm, maybe he is a hybrid??  Shocked
I am being quite serious here.....not goofing around this morning!

Hey Blink.......certainly is a strange coincidence that you have this dream last night and then wake up to this post on the board this morning....
This stuff has been interesting me lately....it's bugging me, like a pestering mosquitoe.
LIke I wrote above, your dream sounds much like the ones I used to have.....and then abdominal surgery seemed to fix that! strange, huh?
Have you had other dreams like this before?

What is Jesus does prove to be an alien? Just imagine how religion would change! I think it is worth researching tho....to think of him as being alien, could very well bring answers easily to all those long standing questions on the dinosaurs...the 7 great wonders of the world...and much other stuff...and all those huge stone worship places from the ancient and not so ancient times, used to worship the gods.....

Can't these answers be found in OBE or astral travel?
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Reply #4 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 9:37am
 
No, Mystic, never have had such a dream before.  I don't put stock in it because I don't think I was fully awake when seeing the face by my bed.  I have heard that one can see such images when still on the verge of wakefulness but have never experienced this particular type of apparition.  I was awake enough that it was disturbing!

However, my husband didn't like this at all.  He is sure that he saw a spacecraft years ago while vacationing with family.  He followed it across the sky at the windows on either side of the vacation residence.  He will accept no other explanation and is convinced of what he saw. 

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Reply #5 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 12:02pm
 
Hi Mystic Dreamer,
from all I know Mary looked like a human and Jesus looked like a human so I find it much more probable that Jesus was a human and not an alien and that Mary maybe not told all people what she did in her wild days...but maybe I'm too earthy.
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Reply #6 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 12:11pm
 
Although your ideas are interesting, Mystic, I have seen some documentaries where researchers created and demonstrated plausible devices which may have been used to construct the huge monuments.  Some of the movement of large blocks of stone were accomplished with simple materials and group effort.  The architects were just very skilled, although it wasn't easy.  Ancient peoples were capable of some very unusual feats of engineering, advanced medicine and other accomplishments.

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Reply #7 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 12:47pm
 
Ooh, interesting topic!  I have had two "alien" experiences that I hardly ever tell anyone about.  I guess I feel comfortable telling you guys here on this board (since most of you are as "weird" as me  Wink).

One was when I was about 10, me and three friends camped out in the backyard.  In the middle of the night I awoke to complete silence but saw that my three friends were all staring across the patio at something, so I looked too.  Someone was standing there motioning for us to come with them, and behind this person was an incredibly bright light, not like anything you can imagine, but it did not hurt to look at it.  The light was so bright that we couldn't see any distinguishing features, just a silhouette of a person motioning slowly with one arm to come.  I started to get up to go with the person but my friend stopped me, saying that we didn't know who it was.  So we just continued to watch.  It was as if we were mezmerized, not afraid, not talking, not getting up to run into the house, and even the family dog, a trained police dog sleeping next to us, didn't make a sound.  (None of us remember seeing him awake or not but he was next to us the whole night).  The silence was incredible.  This beckoning to us went on for several minutes, until the next thing I know is I woke and it was morning.  My friends were awake and playing, and I jumped up saying "You won't believe the dream I had!"  Their response was, "It wasn't a dream, Vicky, we all saw it too."  None of us remembers falling back to sleep.  Who could choose to go back to sleep after that?  (One of the girls we don't have contact with anymore--can't wait to find her, and the other three of us have had strange medical problems, migraines, and psychic experiences since.  Any connection?)

The other "alien" experience was when I was 28.  One night I stayed up late til about 2:30 in the morning and was heading to bed when I saw a green glow out the backyard window.  I don't know why but I didn't think much about it, and walked to the back door to make sure it was locked.  As I approached the door I heard very loudly the distinct sound of children laughing and playing, like there were many children in my backyard.  I was shocked and was about to open the door to look, but as soon as I touched the doorknob the laughter stopped abruptly and I heard a loud, gruff and raspy voice saying very fast "open the door! open the door! open the door!"  I have never been so frightened in my entire life.  The voice sounded hateful and mean.  The sound of that voice was like nothing I had heard before, and the sheer terror I felt was bone chilling.  I knew at the time that this was another paranormal experience, but didn't know exactly what it was.  I ran to the bedroom and woke my husband who of course did not believe me.  "Let me guess... aliens, right?"  He said.  He went right back to sleep and I heard a bizarre metallic swirling whirring sound, don't know how else to describe it. 

I don't study ufo's and don't know what I believe about them, but all I know is is that these 2 experiences were not fair, not friendly, and very invasive.  I call them alien experiences because I know they were not caused by any human being.  What kind of person, spirit, or entity would do such things and why?  What would have happened if I HAD opened the back door? 
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Reply #8 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 1:33pm
 
Hi Blink,
I too have seen many documentations on tv where scientists tried to manage what people did some thousand years ago and on the most advanced tasks they failed (the big pyramids, the big monoliths like in Stonehenge). I think it's still a mystery, if you don't believe Kyo's reports on that.
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Reply #9 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 2:04pm
 
To my awareness, I don't recall having any alien/UFO experiences but I have had two seperate fellow employees, at different times come up to me, out of the blue, to report that they had seen UFO's when I was working in Florida about 6 years ago.  These individuals were not what I would call into strange things like myself, they were just regular people who saw these UFO's.

Meanwhile, a group I belonged to who introduced me to Monroe, mentioned that there was a huge UFO parked over the island I lived on in Florida. It just hoovered there-waiting and watching but was out of phase from earth vibes-so couldn't be seen by the naked eye using physical vision.

I envy those who see but what I'm starting to see is maybe just right for me as to be able to stay connected with those still very grounded in C1. Who knows?

Thanks for sharing these experiences.

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Reply #10 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 2:58pm
 
Vicky,

Thanks for sharing your 2 experiences.  I suspect that the 2nd experience should be understood along similar lines as the first and the 2nd has the hallmarks of being a demonic encounter rather than an encounter with an alien from, say, the Pleiades.  The menacing voice demanded that you open the door.  Clearly, your cooperation was needed.  Opening your door is equivalent to opening the door of your heart.  As conventionally understood, a real alien could have subjected your body to paralysis and then transported you through the door.  The invitation is a hint that our cooperation, conscious or unconscious, with the demonic is often needed for them to gain control and infest or possess us.  Such overtures are common in demonic encounters.  And both demons and angels are fully capable of shape shifting to adapt to our preconceptions.  Of course, terms "angel" and "demon" are codes for a great variety of intelligent beings.

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Reply #11 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 3:28pm
 
Hi Don, I got goose bumps reading your response. 

What you said about "opening the door" is interesting.  During that experience I already WAS going to open the door, so I thought why the heck did this voice demand I open it when I already was about to?  Again, what could have actually happened to me if I had opened it?  I was scared enough to believe something horrible was going to happen to me.  Was this just a test as part of my spiritual evolvement?  Or did I bring this experience on?  I hate to think that any kind of "demon" has access to me just for the hell of it.

I definitely did feel like I was being tricked simply because of the laughing children.  I am a mother so of course I was concered at hearing children in my backyard in the middle of the night.  That is what prompted me to go outside in the first place.  The plan would have worked if it weren't for the scary voice.  So I don't get it...are you saying that if I had been curious enough to open the door then I would have been inviting this "demon" in?
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Reply #12 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 5:10pm
 
You're right, Spooky, all of our questions have definitely not been answered.  It's very intriguing.

And Mystic, I love your free spirit and your questioning of everything!  It's very engaging!

Love the stories all, please keep them coming.  It's so interesting.

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Reply #13 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 7:05pm
 
Vicky said:I definitely did feel like I was being tricked simply because of the laughing children.  I am a mother so of course I was concered at hearing children in my backyard in the middle of the night.  That is what prompted me to go outside in the first place.  The plan would have worked if it weren't for the scary voice.  So I don't get it...are you saying that if I had been curious enough to open the door then I would have been inviting this "demon" in?
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hi Vicky. I don't believe in using the word demon as there's too much collective fear around that word and mis-interpretation down through the ages. never encountered a demon and not curious about them. my take on that is there are highly selfish folks around and about and these beings can be, take your pick, physical, non/physical and/or of alien origin insofar as another planet is concerned but we all at least come from the same universe, unless theres another universe I haven't come across yet. lol.
so heres my take on what happened to you.
we are all connected to what we can call either: 1) God 2) Higher self  3) guardian angels. I prefer to call this great unknown factor which loves and protects me, higher self. In any case I do believe you had protection that night from your own higher self which may be composed of several or many guides active in your soul grouping. I sense many guiding influences in my life and they show up in unexpected ways. I don't think I'm alone in the ways that I grow in understanding spiritual matters so I offer this  to you, that I believe that it's quite possible you were dealing with trickery of some other worldly beings of the lower degree kind, who simulated the children's voices, after reading your pattern, or thought waves. then, as you are protected by guides you have not met yet perhaps in C1, the guidance, or higher self, stepped in quickly to prevent you from opening the door. (door in the mind) you must be open minded, therefore, there would be caution with an open mind, not to allow just any old alien walk in there..lol...you're safe, that's what is important. I suspect your higher self or guides did improvise this mean voice demanding u open the door as they knew you would do exactly the opposite.
I tell you, guides can be so manipulative of myself too! it's shocking some of ways I am made to toss out belief systems but I always end up laughing my head off in the end.Grin

some of these experiences we have like the one u describe are "to be continued" movies. don't u hate that? but we will eventually get all the pieces to the puzzle as we go along. my daughter had a positive experience with an alien so I know theres some neat ones out there roaming around attempting to aid humanity. thanks for confiding this story, I know there is great meaning there.
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Reply #14 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 8:02pm
 
Vicky,

Let me relate a paranormal experience that  somewhat parallels your second experience.  A friend told me this story about a minister aquaintance of his, whom I'll call Ted.  Ted thought he had the spiritual gift of clairvoyance from God.  He used it to impress his congregations with the authority of His sermons.  One night he woke out of a hypnogogic state and saw a beautiful serpent hovering at the foot of his bed.  The serpent telepathically asked to be invited into the door of Ted's heart.  Ted felt a powerful desire to allow it to do so, but ultimately resisted the urge.  From that point on, he lost his gift of clairvoyance.  I wonder what that says about the source of his gift.  I coubt that it came from God.

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Reply #15 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 9:03pm
 
Thank you all for your interest and help with this.  I appreciate it. 

And Alysia, your take on all this is so insightful.  I too have always felt protected, not that I am fearless, but I have always had a sense of being watched over.  I guess it will always intrigue me the way guidance can do its work!  My guides fooling me because they knew I'd do the opposite!  I love it!

It's hard for me to understand that there are bad people outside of this physical world.  I don't want to have to understand it either, not directly.  I will take everyone's word on it.  I am not a religious person, don't believe in demons or devils, but I know there is so much out there that I don't know about, and I chose to keep believing that I will always be protected no matter what.  Hope that doesn't sound naive. 

Thanks to all!
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Reply #16 - Aug 24th, 2005 at 12:37pm
 
Donald, it comes to mind that since the Kundalini is represented by a serpent coiled at the base of the spine, i.e. the root chakra, that this may have been a visualization of his Kundalini telling him that it was time for his Kundalini awakening and that it wasn't some demonic serpent.  Just my views. Wink

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I don't believe in using the word demon as there's too much collective fear around that word and mis-interpretation down through the ages. never encountered a demon and not curious about them. my take on that is there are highly selfish folks around and about and these beings can be, take your pick, physical, non/physical and/or of alien origin insofar as another planet is concerned but we all at least come from the same universe, unless theres another universe I haven't come across yet. lol.


I completely agree with you Alysia. I too have never encountered any so called 'demons or negative energy' in all my explorations, retrievals, etc. You are right, there is so very much collective fear around the thought of demons and if one dwells on them, then the thought form appears.

And I have had many encounters with Greys all my life (uncovered in past life regressions) and with Greys at the Gathering. Also with my praying mantis type soulmate, Jukro who has been with me all of this life and in other past/multidimensional lives.

Don't forget that there are 'good' and 'bad' in all races. Do not give in to fear as that is what holds back love. Love and fear, as has been pointed out so many times over the years in this forum, cannot exist at the same time.

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Reply #17 - Aug 24th, 2005 at 1:24pm
 
Vicky said:It's hard for me to understand that there are bad people outside of this physical world.  I don't want to have to understand it either, not directly.  I will take everyone's word on it.  I am not a religious person, don't believe in demons or devils, but I know there is so much out there that I don't know about, and I chose to keep believing that I will always be protected no matter what.  Hope that doesn't sound naive.   
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I know exactly what you are talking about Vicky because I considered myself always to be naive just a few years back, but life has a way of making us less so as we go along with little nudges from guidance in that area. I really don't think theres a conspiracy out there operating to buy or seduce your soul by the dark guys....like Mairlyn said, not to worry, the focus on love, and what it is exactly tends to abolish fears.
it's focus that counts...it's quite easy to find support for the existence of evil, yet on the other hand it's just as easy to focus on searching out the everyday heroes that are everywhere really, it's just that you can't focus on both, fearsome beings, or loving beings, it's gotta be one or the other for your choosing. I was once asked during a paranormal experience which do u choose for this life? power or love? I talked back to the spirits and asked well, do u really need to ask? of course I choose love, but the thing was even though my spirit had chosen to manifest love, I had to learn in C1 consciousness that about affirming my choice daily and I didn't know this would be part of my curiculum, about speaking for myself within choosing, within affirmation that which I had chosen. so I was grateful for the encounter to know this was nessessary, but at the time, it seemed as if I were on trial and it was rather well, I was in terror, but needn't have been so, because I had chosen so long ago, I didn't understand that I would choose everyday. make any sense?
the gist is we are so creative, we will find what we seek, but as for me, I find love within you people out there because that's what I wish to see and what I choose to see.
I think u have such an amazing story there Vicky, I shall not be forgetting that one! lol.
we are not alone folks, we are safe here in the end so remember that when you're watching the movie. choose love....
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Reply #18 - Aug 24th, 2005 at 1:28pm
 
Vicky and Marilyn,

I agree that the word "demon" conjures up a lot of fear and that obsession with the demonic can be detrimental to our spiritual health.  I acknowledge  that it is unclear whether "demons" are nonhuman entities or the collective mind of whole hells of discarnate humans.  But however you imagine them, there seem to be astral entities that can do real harm.  Astral adept Robert Bruce has seen a young child being murdered by demonic entities from the astral plane.  In his research on exorcisms, Malachi Martin discovers an American case in which a young athletic priest is instantly killed the moment he reaches the bed of a possessed man.  The priest had already performed a successful exorcism on someone else and evidently began to attribute his success to his own "skill." 

I have recounted some of my own family's experiences with possession on this site and will summarize 2 family encounters for the newbies. 
(I) I witnessed my own brother (then age 16) leave a hockey game prematurely to get on a bus for a long ride to a coffee house.  God had telepathically given him the name and location of a young man who was possessed and entrusted my brother with the mission of performing an exorcism.  He had never even thought of doing anything like that before.  After his long ride, he arrived at the coffee house and was approached by a stranger who strangely remarked, "You're here on a special mission, aren't you?"  Shortly thereafter, the possessed young man showed up with a gang of thugs who started to  harrass the patrons.   My brother walked up to him and boldly declared, "[Name,] God has shown me that you're possessed and has sent me to perform an exorcism."  This triggered sarcastic guffaws, but when my brother closed his eyes, prayed, and touched [Name] on the forehead, he fell down prostrate, writhed for a few minutes like a snake, and quietly said "thank you."  The victim's gang members immediately became concerned about their own relationship with God.  I don't know what happened to them later, but [Name] became a well-published author on spiritual issues. 

(2) My uncle G was a young minister who had a young son E (age 3).  One night G was performing an exorcism on a woman in her home and E was kept with his aunt in the car outside.  The moment the exorcism was completed, young E's eyes rolled up in his head and he slipped into a deep trance.  My aunt and uncle realized that the evil entity that had just been expelled was now trying to possess E.  In response to their fervent prayers, E came out of the trance and returned to normal.  E, now a psychiatrist, recalls that he was cradled in the loving arms of Jesus during this ordeal. 

So while I agree that any obsession with the demonic is counterproductive, I disagree that we should put our heads in the sand and pretend that such evil phenomena never manifest themselves.
i repeat what I've said a couple of times on this site; No one I know who has read the exorcisms documented in Malachi Martin's chilling book "Hostage to the Devil" has come away still skeptical of the evil reality of the demonic. 

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Reply #19 - Aug 24th, 2005 at 2:45pm
 
Hi guys...interesting responses here!!!  Grin
For most of my life I had been told that I was 'evil' or 'possessed' because of the strange capabilities that I started to develop in my late teens.....
Thru reading these responses, I have another question now......with relation to the 'serpent' asking to be allowed into the heart'......how do we know when a request is from a good source, as a guide, or...from something bad, as in demonic?...or, just something bad?
And if these requests are made to us while we sleep...holy cow, how can we trust in ourselves not to be tricked by a deceiving force? eeeks!
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Reply #20 - Aug 24th, 2005 at 5:12pm
 
MD,

The worst aspect of this topic is that conventional minds tend to attribute mysterious forces that don't operate as they expect to the demonic.  Demonology too often becomes a catchbag for phenomena that the less curious are unwilling to explore.   Even a spiritual giant like Swedenborg was thought by many to be demon-possessed.

As for your basic question, the key for me is this: the clairvoyant pastor initially thought his gift was edifying and divinely inspired.  But in his hypnogogic encounter with the serpent, his instincts screamed at him to resist his strong desire to invite the entity in.  MD, I suspect you would always sense the negative vibe and have the strength to resist what should be resisted and to explore what should be explored. 

Don
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