Who truly HATE, LOATHE, DEPLORE, and DESPISE
God (assuming he exists.)
For the past 5 or so years, I've said "F**K You Yahweh" as sort of a reflexive response to anger,
frustration, ect. (sometimes just for the "hell" of it, such as when seeing the latest idiocies of president bush (deliberately uncapitalized!)
Not that I believe in "Yahweh's" literal existence... but I do
allow a REMOTE possibility of "it" existing (and by extension, the bible being true.)
Anyway, to stop saying my little "anti-prayer" (if I did, it would be out of (ugh) FEAR) strikes me as a groveling and cowardly thing to do... and cowardice is one thing I've set myself to purging from my character.
So... by your belief system (including such contributors as Swedenborg, ect.) what place in Hell am I likely headed for...
OR might "Yahweh" honor my true underlying wish (if Christianity is true) and abolish me as an entity... to let me sleep peacefully forever? I don't want a non-physical afterlife anyway.

B-man

(Here's an excerpt from the aforementioned webpage)


Ava: And originally when he was [still] Yahweh, he was [also] given the Title of Planetary Prince of this planet, and the whole experiment [The Nebadon Universe] before he ‘Fell’ [he then became] known as JEHOVAH, [the Lessor God] and decided this idea of being “less than,” you know--

Ari: He shared that role of Planetary Prince with Luciafera [his Son]. At this point in time [Lord] Sananda, who we know [him] on this planet as Jesus--the Christ, [known as] Sananda Kumara [since THE FALL now] holds the position of Planetary Prince with ArchAngel Michael.

Ava: Because both of them, that he mentioned Yahweh and Luciafera [both] fell. They became [known] then as Jehovah & Lucifer. Lucifer was cast-out along with Jehovah by Father/Mother God, [and Lord Michael] and they were relegated to a different sector of the Universe. And Jehovah went about going [then] to the Orion Constellation and [continued] playing [his] war games there. Lucifer went [then] to Maldeck, a planet which IS no longer, because that experiment with the Fallen Angels [those that followed Lucifer] then went to Maldeck with Lucifer [and] created a situation there where they came into a time just like we are [now]. They were in a parallel universe and they were a little ahead of us, and they had nuclear weapons.


(Reproduced from  http://www.axiusnews.com/aa_creation_story.htm )

Hi Brendan,
thinking about an appropriate hell for you...
What about a place where you are constantly in struggle with "god", and it don't ever change (until you want a change)? Seems to fit with my belief system.
But I don't want you to be there! Did this god-charging too, but it only dragged me down.
Better a happy coward than a bitter tough.
Bye, spooky

Great post Kyo (as always).

Love you, Mairlyn

I will discuss your 4 comments in succession.
(1) Brendan: "What happens to those who truly HATE, LOATHE, DEPLORE, and DESPISE God?"

In the spiritual realm every genuine and precious manifestation of God's love and power is counterfeited and you seem to have been victimized by a toxic brand of Christianity.  In biblical terms, you are spiritually "cold", but your acknowledgement of this fact is a hopeful sign.  The Risen Christ insists that He'd rather people be "cold" than "lukewarm" (Revelation 3:15-16).  To be lukewarm is to be apathetic or indifferent.  During Howard Storm's NDE, Jesus tells him: "The greatest hatred of God is to be indifferent to God.  A person who is indifferent to God is repelled by His light and love ("My Descent into Death,"  32)."  Beneath your deep revulsion towards God lurks a passion that can easily be transformed into the highest and most intense experience of loving devotion.  If you experience the real Christ behind the counterfeit distortions, you will grasp this insight.  My encounter with Him filled me with wave upon wave of liquid love intensifying to the point where I thought it might kill me, totally disarming me of my hostility towards God.  This experience launched me on a lifelong journey to unearth the precious truths buried beneath the distortions of a "churchianity" that offers just enough spirituality to vaccinate us against the real thing. 

I soon discovered the true biblical teaching about Heaven: this life is a not our true career and Heaven is not a place of static rest, a glorified nursing home.   Rather, this life is a school and the afterlife is our true career, full of ever increasing challenges and opportunities to grow and expand.

(2) Brendan: "But I do allow a REMOTE possibility of "it" {Yahweh) existing (and by extension, the Bible being true)."

Perhaps, this is a sign that the Holy Spirit is already beginning a marvelous work in your life, which will render moot your worries about Hell and annihilation.  Perhaps my developing discussion of Swedenborg's verifications can make such a  "possibility" seem less "remote."   Better still, I'd urge you to read the book by your spiritual clone, Howard Storm's "My Descent into Death."

The word "Yahweh" derives from the Hebrew verb "to be."  Its meaning is more fully revealed in God's self-disclosure to Moses at the burning bush.
Moses insists on knowing the name of the god who is sending him on a suicidal mission to liberate the Hebrews from slavery.  To grasp God's reply, it is vital to realize that in Moses' day a deity's name was thought to adequately express His essence. Elsewhere God has twice refused requests for His name (Exodus 32:29; Judges 13:18).   Instead of a name, God gives Moses a phrase based on the name "Yahweh": Tell them I will be whatever I will be has sent you (Exodus 3:14)."  God substitutes this phrase to stress three points: 

(a) Do not presume to reduce me to your culturally limited conceptual frameworks. 

(b) Know me primarily in terms of your experience of me and my gracious acts in your behalf, not in terms of theological abstractions.

(c) I will be whatever I will be for you.  But I also  reserve the right to be whatever I will be to other peoples.  I can reveal myself through their myths and religious symbols as well.  This implication is dramatically illustrated in Amos 9:7:

"Do you Israelites think you are more important to me than the Ethiopians?" says the Lord.  "True, I brought you out of Egypt, but have I not done as much for other nations, too?  I brought the Philistines out of Crete, and led the [Arab] Arameans out of Kir (in modern Iraq)."

At that time, Israel had neglected social justice.  So God reminds them that He has guided other peoples just as surely as He has guided Israel.  His implicit ultimatum is this: either take care of your poor, your widows and orphans, or I will abandon you and confine my self-disclosure to the myths, symbols, and mystical experirences of other religions from other cultures.  Since the Philistines and the Arab Arameans were divinely guided to the Palestine region, this text offers an intriguing biblical basis for Palestinian rights to a homeland.

(3) Brendan: "What place in Hell am I likely headed
     for?"
OK, let's assume for the sake of argument that you never make your peace with God.  I will answer your question in the upcoming discussion on my Swedenborg thread of his many visits to Hell and his discovery of the process whereby souls find their way there with other like-minded souls based on the principle like attracts like.

(4) Brendan: "Or might 'Yahweh' honor my true
     underlying wish...an abolish me as an entity...to
     be let me sleep peacefully forever?"

Both St. Paul (e.g. Philippians 3:19) and the Gospels
(Matthew 7:13) apply the Greek term "apoleia" (= annihilation) to active opponents of God's will and thus acknowedge annihilation as a postmortem option.  Modern sources confirm this option.  In this site's FAQ section, Bruce Moen notes: "Recent exploration has uncovered a sort of permanent death.  IT is extremely rare." 

At the time of his NDE, Howard Storm is a biblically illiterate atheist.  As he puts it, "I knew for certain that there was no such thing as life after death.  Only simple-minded people believed in that sort of thing.  I didn't believe in God or heaven, or hell, or any other fairy tales.  I [would] drift into... annihilation."  Accordingly, he describes his dismay as his NDE begins: "This wasn't right.  Why was I alive?  I had wanted oblivion...Could this be a dream?...But I knew that it wasn't.  I was aware that I felt more alert, more aware, more alive than I had ever felt in my entire life (10-11)."  He then relates his chilling ordeal in Hell, an ordeal only terminates when he reluctantly cries out to God for help and experiences a life-changing loving encounter with Christ.   Christ warns him:

"For some people this [Hell] may culminate in the ultimate annihilation of their being, if after they have existed in this eternity, they still do not seek their way back to God.  For others there is [even then] the possibility of salvation (p. 33)."

The Jesus of Storm's NDE concurs with both the Bible and Bruce Moen that even in hellaceous realms, souls can be retrieved if they are open to this possibility and willing to be transformed. 

During Storm's recovery, he experiences several angelic encounters which save him from certain death.  On one occasion, a credible witness observes the deceased Catholic mystic, Thomas Merton, hand Storm a book about the very cemetery where Storm is paying his respects beside Merton's grave.

Don

oh dear.....those people in some cult a few years ago....weren't they all wearing NIKE runners while they committed suicide as their space ship whizzed by?? 
(...just a late night thought..... )

???  I used to be so shy to express here. I thought that at any minute surely I would come under attack and be crushed but it has not happened that way, so I was wrong and I'm glad I was wrong. for some this place is just a brief interlude, perhaps like their life could be considered to be such. for me it became home back in 2001. I feel I speak for all the newbies and so I have become one. would that we all become "new." it wasn't long after I came here I would ask all the time "what am I doing here?" so that I would have to search out my motive, intention, for each post, so to understand myself, my journey, so that I would not be egotistical and perhaps injure another unwittingly. I sense Kyo is not injured but stronger than I was back then so I do not worry about him and see he is a "negative discharger" (my term) which to me is like the art of moving energy in martial arts, to not take offense posture, but to able to take energy and manipulate it to benefit of the whole without causing injury. this is a wonderful art.
to me, all is good. all expressions because we humans have selective viewing. we respond to only what we choose to respond to and see. do any of you understand we cannot see a person here in their entirety? by a mere post? would be the reason to practice tolerance for one another, welcoming all newbies as each one holds a treasure for us, if only they are not frightened off by an angry statement posted here for not one of us holds all knowledge of all good while within C1 consciousness. is better to committ random acts of kindness and others follow suit, than to say an angry word which can wound. ask yourself when u post what is your gift here or will you take instead of give? it is ok to take instead of give, but I do not think just because you have been wounded yourself, you need to wound others. that is what an animal does out of fear. let us rise above our animal natures and let this forum be a loving place once and for all. That is my prayer, I hope it is yours.
Let's edit ourselves as we go along, making sure the message we give to one person, is the message we would give to the entire world. Let's not waste each other's time with ego bantering.

I agree with Alysia; this board is supposed to be a place in which everyone can share his or her ideas in a free and open forum without fear of ridicule or the belief challenges that have been going on here lately.  I also know that I do not appreciate when a statement that is clearly not meant to be respectful is closed with the word "Respectfully", even if the statement is not meant for me.  I truly hope that this board can return to the enjoyable and interesting exchange of ideas it supported when I first began coming here.
Lou

More to the point... if I can't reincarnate... if this life is the only physical one I'll get... then I WANT, VERY BADLY, to be permanently snuffed.
How might I best conduct my life, so that my "soul" will be obliterated instead of me having to live eternally in an afterlife I KNOW I'll hate? I don't want hell, but I also don't want to "serve others and be selfless" (which is what "heaven" is all apparently all about... sort of like being a dog.)

B-man

Love ya' B-man but you do seem to be getting more frantic. Hope all works out for you. You're getting further from the point of the board rather that closer but hang in here and keep trying.

Jean

There are times when I listen to you, Brendan, that I can't put away the image of a very well-loved little child, perhaps around one years of age.  You know the game where the child picks up its food or its toy and hurls it to the floor over and over so its caretaker must pick it up again.  This is great fun for the child.  Where will it land this time, it wonders?  The child looks at it's caretaker with big huge eyes as if to say, what happened, where did my toy go? Poor little old me, I don't have my toy.  Then again.  Again.

Then, here's Brendan a little older.  I don't WANNA go to heaven!!!!!!  I don't WANNA!  You can't MAKE me.  WAAAAAAAAGGHHHHH!

hee hee. (it's kind of funny. shhhh, don't tell anyone)

love, blink

Blink,

I'm always impressed by how patient you are with B-man . In fact it was because of re-reading you's and Tim's responces to him in the off-topic section, that I started suspecting that his two recent threads belonged in that area.  It would still be accessable but not in the limelight. I also re-read some of his earlier posts and noticed that his concerns really haven't changed much.  He's definatly got a one track mind concerning this religious thing and keeping his negative energy going to give him courage. I too wish him well and hope that he can find some peace.

You are really sweet and it comes out when you're working with him.

Much Love and appreciation, Jean

Brendan..you seem to have a one-track mind when it comes to "God" and the afterlife..

You must be around some hardcore fundamentalists to cling to this notion.

I spent 25 years, off and on as a Christian, but couldn't get past the "heaven" aspect..and thinking how boring that would be.  I could never do the grovel thing either..

My very soul/essence/being tells me that is not what "God" wants either. 

The christian version of afterlife is but one theory..man's attempt to explain the seemingly unexplainable..and his attempt to control the masses through fear and intimidation.  And, for centuries it has worked.

Let go the fear..live your life with peace, knowing..that the universe is unfolding as it should.

Love and peace to ya man!

Oh my god...

Celtic Prince,

It is rather you who are deficient in social graces.  I merely responded to a direct question from Brendan and then silently tolerated the UNVERIFIABLE New Age quackadoodle that intruded.   

Berserk

Finally, B-man, it begins to make sense.  Thank you for sharing real facts about where all this is coming from.  On my part, it becomes a little disorienting to be hit with this on the forum all the time.  We all respect where you are coming from.

love, blink

Myatic Dreamer and Blink,

You are both right to commend Brendan for his candor and honest expression of where he's coming from.  Only one thing drives me bonkers about Brendan--that he won't read books that might challenge his perspective and help us engage him more directly.  Sigh!   ???  And I don't just mean the 3 books I've been championing:
(1)  Howard Storm, "My Descent into Death,"
(2)  David Fontana, "Is There an Afterlife? 
      A  Comphrensive Overview of the Evidence",
(3) William Van Dusen, "The Presence of Other
     Worlds"  (on Swedenborg's life and astral gift) 

C'mon, Brendan, if you won't read any of these books, how about one of Bruce Moen's books?  It would help you clarify your issues and engage Bruce's site more directly.  Or at least read and engage my Swedenborg thread, at least when I finally figure out how I want to resume it.    I'm currently stumped by what to say next there.  I'm realizing just how deep and original his insights are and am currently at a loss at how much of it rings true for me.  Right now, I'm just trying to assimilate his astral insights, so that I have a better grasp on them.  My instincts tell me that he's the most luminous astral adept ever to write about the afterlife.   At least, his verifications seem beyond compare.

Don

Don

.........ok Beserk!!! Let's get one thing straight here!!! I'm not 'Myatic' by any means!!!  LOL 
I'm 'mystic'.....see?? Sweet little 'mystic'!!!
Myatic sounds rather like, 'oh my god..myattica is killing me'
...lol....of course you know I am kidding with ya! 

I think this B-man is a fake and is pulling you a leg... hahaha... he or she is just exercising on you...

I'm finding myself in agreement with you, Jean.  I am reluctant to continue to read the types of combatative postings which are regularly entered here by B-Man, as much as I appreciate what he is attempting with his generous self-expression.  I will need to edit my reading from this point as it is.

The type of exchanges that have been occurring on a long term basis are not the reason I visit this forum.  If I saw some genuine interest on his part in sharing in others' experiences I might feel differently, but I am not seeing that to the point which influences me differently right now. 

love, blink

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Hello B-Man,......................I am awed by your sense of the transcendental as a possibly existing Reality, however this Reality or Being-ness might be identified or described. As a reflection upon this transcendental and all pervading(immanent) reality or Spirit-presence....we can call this reality or Being 'God' for the sake of communication purposes. It is also understood that your aversion towards 'God' is only to those forms/identifications which have been interpreted by you as negative and displeasing for whatever reasons in your developmental response and evolving correspondense to this 'Reality' that we refer to as 'God'.

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Consider B-Man that maybe the proposal of 'hell' as some destination assigned to you by some Master Deity is misguided....but more a condition imposed upon you by religious belief.  Also consider that your view/perspective/understanding of God and the Afterlife may change in the transpiration of time as more light and illumination of soul is afforded you as you open more to the possibility of a higher, greater Transcendental Reality or Being...whose nature is essentially Love and whose divine Will is your ultimate joy, eternal progress and survival.

You will note that in truth you are a spiritual being, a 'soul' living in a matter-ial body/world....and that your spirit/soul is not wholly dependent upon matter as you now know/experience it...but exists in its own domain/reality as spiritual being. (it experiences now within a matter-ial body at this point in time along the spiritual journey). The consciousness that you are.....is that divine God-fragment or spirit-presence which is the eternal "I" - your true original being that is Sourced, derived, born from the ONE, the ALL,..the Living Divine. As more light unfolds and more of your souls calling, purpose and true motives come into being....your desires, visions, ideals, interests will correspond to these new soul-interests...all in line with the divine constitution of your being.

This is just for you to contemplate...as the Spirit of Truth Itself will make known in due time, if any of it be true. But Truth shall ultimately speak for itself......being triumphant. Truth, Being, Existence, Deity, Life, Light, Reality, 'God' is the eternal Constant - being the reality before, behind and beyond all phenomenal, conditional existence, thru-out all time, space and eternity...as One, Infinite Whole,.....Being All. This Truth is ultimate, absolute, infinite.

*this is a current perspective from this entity and is always subject to revision as ones view of Truth is further magnified 


paul