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blink Ex Member	Re: For Berserk... what happens to those... Reply #30 - Aug 22^nd, 2005 at 4:57pm Finally, B-man, it begins to make sense. Thank you for sharing real facts about where all this is coming from. On my part, it becomes a little disorienting to be hit with this on the forum all the time. We all respect where you are coming from. love, blink
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mystic_dreamer

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Reply #31 - Aug 22^nd, 2005 at 5:52pm

Hi Brendan...just curious about this church that your little nephew has been attending...is it Baptist by any chance? What you mentioned about the dinosaurs and man living together in a somewhat time period, sounds so much like what my sister believes is true...and she is Baptist. She also believes that the earth is less than 5,000 years old.....and holy cow, she will argue with you on the topic until you can't stand it anymore.....funny thing tho, my brother is Baptist too...attends a church in a different part of the province and his beliefs are not the same as hers.....and on a variety of other different topics too.
I don't know if there a sect that is breaking off from the Baptist church or what.....but damn, some of their beliefs are way out to lunch. Tongue

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Reply #32 - Aug 22^nd, 2005 at 10:57pm

Myatic Dreamer and Blink,

You are both right to commend Brendan for his candor and honest expression of where he's coming from. Only one thing drives me bonkers about Brendan--that he won't read books that might challenge his perspective and help us engage him more directly. Sigh! ??? And I don't just mean the 3 books I've been championing:
(1) Howard Storm, "My Descent into Death,"
(2) David Fontana, "Is There an Afterlife?
A Comphrensive Overview of the Evidence",
(3) William Van Dusen, "The Presence of Other
Worlds" (on Swedenborg's life and astral gift)

C'mon, Brendan, if you won't read any of these books, how about one of Bruce Moen's books? It would help you clarify your issues and engage Bruce's site more directly. Or at least read and engage my Swedenborg thread, at least when I finally figure out how I want to resume it. I'm currently stumped by what to say next there. I'm realizing just how deep and original his insights are and am currently at a loss at how much of it rings true for me. Right now, I'm just trying to assimilate his astral insights, so that I have a better grasp on them. My instincts tell me that he's the most luminous astral adept ever to write about the afterlife. At least, his verifications seem beyond compare.

Don

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Brendan

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Sho' 'nuff, MD...
Reply #33 - Aug 23^rd, 2005 at 12:12am

Little J.T. is going to a BAPTIST church, all right (courtesy of my sister.)
Don...
You call Celtic Prince's beliefs "unverifiable New Age quackadoodle."
Celtic Prince could just as easily come back with YOUR beliefs being "unverifiable MEDIEVAL quackadoodle" (and they ARE unverifiable, Don... just as much as C.P.'s are. Just because some two billion (mostly VERY ignorant!) people around the world believe something doesn't make it the "truth"... unless truth is democratic. Do you cop to that, Don?)
Personally, I prefer to believe you're BOTH wrong, but that's just me...

B-man

P.S. Don, I'd read those books if I had the time. But I'm trying to work AND establish a business (which eats up just about ALL the rest of my time.) I haven't even had the time to go see the final "Star Wars" episode yet!
I'll give 'em a look sometime soon if I can. Hey, that beats J.D. Howe's answer to MY badgering him to read those essays, eh?
Not to mention, I'd rather go to hell (Bring It On, Yahweh!!!) than become a CHURCHGOER any day...

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mystic_dreamer Ex Member	Re: For Berserk... what happens to those... Reply #34 - Aug 23^rd, 2005 at 12:25am .........ok Beserk!!! Let's get one thing straight here!!! I'm not 'Myatic' by any means!!! LOL I'm 'mystic'.....see?? Sweet little 'mystic'!!! Myatic sounds rather like, 'oh my god..myattica is killing me' ...lol....of course you know I am kidding with ya!
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Reply #35 - Aug 23^rd, 2005 at 3:02am

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Most of my family and friends have gone down the
fundie road (and a couple have become conservative Catholics) in the last 10 years.
Me and my dad are all that's left! (He's an atheist.)
Being around my sister sure wasn't much fun during
the big family reunion we had this summer... and my 8-y/o nephew has turned into a little preacher man with a mission to "save Uncle B." (He thinks dinosaurs and man lived together in what (I guess) I'd call the "Flinstonian Era". That's what his pastor told him in Sunday School, and he made SURE I knew it...)
I fear for the future.

B-man

Fundyism at its worst. Brainwash the children. I feel most bad for the children as they go through school..and then spout that nonsense back to their teacher.
We have a museum up north of us (some 300 miles, but still in the state Grin

) called "The Creation Evidence Museum". Its such a crock. Going there was my final step out of that madness.

I can say what I feel. I can say what I believe to be true. I can't prove it, nor do I feel an overwhelming need to. Live and let live..

Be at peace..

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Q Ex Member	Re: For Berserk... what happens to those... Reply #36 - Aug 23^rd, 2005 at 9:58am I think this B-man is a fake and is pulling you a leg... hahaha... he or she is just exercising on you...
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Reply #37 - Aug 23^rd, 2005 at 1:42pm

Actually Q, whether he is real or not is beside the point, our group consciousness is attracting this entity to this board for some reason-if you hold to “Like attracts Like” just as we did JD-LOL. So what is he proselytizing? ??? As I glanced through his earlier posts, he hasn’t changed his tune much; his discourse on mechanistic materialism clinched this for me because he first alluded to it back in the spring. He believes that C1 is all there is and it works for him. He is definitely a reader but he seems only interested in reading what reinforces his strong held belief that the physical world is all there is and that it’s a nasty dog eat dog at that. He works at gleaning out of what individuals write on this board anything that will show inconsistencies in their posts or anything that will reinforce his position, again that it’s a dog eat dog world. And of course he’ll find many because most of us are still struggling with learning to explore the other levels of consciousness and know they are real beyond doubt. Also many of us are still trying to overcome our early conditioning in religion, politics, and the way the physical world (taught to us as the only real world) works Tongue

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Meanwhile, Many of us responders who are attempting to explore the AL seem to be trying just as hard as B-man, to convert him and save himself from himself. OMO, I think his threads should be moved to the off topic forum where they can be continued but not confuse those who are coming here to expand on their knowledge of the afterlife. We would still be able to have the relationship with B-man, as it’s obviously serving both sides, plus this may be the only opportunity that B-man has for getting a glimpse of movers and groovers working on other consciousness levels in very positive helpful mind-blowing ways. There the dance of being of service to a non-believer, who could care less about writings on adventures in altered consciousness and those who are in the early exploration stages and need to help/understand or attempt to convert a non-believer, can continue.

Anyhow, this is how I’m seeing two of the threads on our only page since we’ve come back.

Thanks Q for opening a window that allowed me to pitch my sphiel. Kiss

Jean

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blink

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Reply #38 - Aug 23^rd, 2005 at 2:35pm

I'm finding myself in agreement with you, Jean. I am reluctant to continue to read the types of combatative postings which are regularly entered here by B-Man, as much as I appreciate what he is attempting with his generous self-expression. I will need to edit my reading from this point as it is.

The type of exchanges that have been occurring on a long term basis are not the reason I visit this forum. If I saw some genuine interest on his part in sharing in others' experiences I might feel differently, but I am not seeing that to the point which influences me differently right now.

love, blink

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Mairtreya Ex Member	Re: For Berserk... what happens to those... Reply #39 - Aug 24^th, 2005 at 12:52pm I totally agree. !!! Love, Mairlyn
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Reply #40 - Aug 25^th, 2005 at 10:07pm

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Who truly HATE, LOATHE, DEPLORE, and DESPISE
God (assuming he exists.)
For the past 5 or so years, I've said "F**K You Yahweh" as sort of a reflexive response to anger,
frustration, ect. (sometimes just for the "hell" of it, such as when seeing the latest idiocies of president bush (deliberately uncapitalized!)
Not that I believe in "Yahweh's" literal existence... but I do
allow a REMOTE possibility of "it" existing (and by extension, the bible being true.)

Hello B-Man,......................I am awed by your sense of the transcendental as a possibly existing Reality, however this Reality or Being-ness might be identified or described. As a reflection upon this transcendental and all pervading(immanent) reality or Spirit-presence....we can call this reality or Being 'God' for the sake of communication purposes. It is also understood that your aversion towards 'God' is only to those forms/identifications which have been interpreted by you as negative and displeasing for whatever reasons in your developmental response and evolving correspondense to this 'Reality' that we refer to as 'God'.

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Anyway, to stop saying my little "anti-prayer" (if I did, it would be out of (ugh) FEAR) strikes me as a groveling and cowardly thing to do... and cowardice is one thing I've set myself to purging from my character.
So... by your belief system (including such contributors as Swedenborg, ect.) what place in Hell am I likely headed for...
OR might "Yahweh" honor my true underlying wish (if Christianity is true) and abolish me as an entity... to let me sleep peacefully forever? I don't want a non-physical afterlife anyway.

B-man

Consider B-Man that maybe the proposal of 'hell' as some destination assigned to you by some Master Deity is misguided....but more a condition imposed upon you by religious belief. Also consider that your view/perspective/understanding of God and the Afterlife may change in the transpiration of time as more light and illumination of soul is afforded you as you open more to the possibility of a higher, greater Transcendental Reality or Being...whose nature is essentially Love and whose divine Will is your ultimate joy, eternal progress and survival.

You will note that in truth you are a spiritual being, a 'soul' living in a matter-ial body/world....and that your spirit/soul is not wholly dependent upon matter as you now know/experience it...but exists in its own domain/reality as spiritual being. (it experiences now within a matter-ial body at this point in time along the spiritual journey). The consciousness that you are.....is that divine God-fragment or spirit-presence which is the eternal "I" - your true original being that is Sourced, derived, born from the ONE, the ALL,..the Living Divine. As more light unfolds and more of your souls calling, purpose and true motives come into being....your desires, visions, ideals, interests will correspond to these new soul-interests...all in line with the divine constitution of your being.

This is just for you to contemplate...as the Spirit of Truth Itself will make known in due time, if any of it be true. But Truth shall ultimately speak for itself......being triumphant. Truth, Being, Existence, Deity, Life, Light, Reality, 'God' is the eternal Constant - being the reality before, behind and beyond all phenomenal, conditional existence, thru-out all time, space and eternity...as One, Infinite Whole,.....Being All. This Truth is ultimate, absolute, infinite.

*this is a current perspective from this entity and is always subject to revision as ones view of Truth is further magnified

paul

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