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Mairtreya
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Re: For Berserk... what happens to those...
Reply #15 - Aug 19th, 2005 at 7:24pm
 
Mr. Ed said Quote:
.... And to you Marilyn. To say you are married to a person called Maitreya, another ascended master...Please explain??

First of all, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about me, if you like me or not, if you believe me or not.  I'm living my reality and you are living yours, all of you.

Two years ago I was contacted by a friend who channels. She said she'd been talking to Maitreya. I had never heard of him.  He said that I was to read what is currently my tag line, over and over to get somewhat of an understanding of the Twin Soul, Soulmate, etc. and untimately the Twin Ray and what it is and means.

About a month later, we talked on yahoo IM using video cameras. Bob McKelvy was also talking to us and witnessed the verbal exchange that we had.  My friend started channeling Maitreya to me. In a very personal and private conversation, he told me that we are Twin Rays.
Twin Rays, in the beginning, are God sparks which God sent out (creation). We ALL were created with our Twin Ray, that is both male and female in one body. With the energies that are coming in so strongly now towards our Ascension, many Twin Ray Completions are taking place which means that we have been waiting eons to come together once again as ONE.

Over the past two years, Maitreya and I have been together many, many times in the higher planes. Some I remember, some I don't. In the higher planes, I am known as Lady Maitreya.

If you want to learn more, go to the link of my tag line and read. Of course, as with anything, you are free to believe or not. I KNOW that Maitreya and I are ONE and that is why I have taken the name Mairtreya as a combination of the two names.

With Love, Mairtreya Wink

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Reply #16 - Aug 20th, 2005 at 6:25am
 
More to the point... if I can't reincarnate... if this life is the only physical one I'll get... then I WANT, VERY BADLY, to be permanently snuffed.
How might I best conduct my life, so that my "soul" will be obliterated instead of me having to live eternally in an afterlife I KNOW I'll hate? I don't want hell, but I also don't want to "serve others and be selfless" (which is what "heaven" is all apparently all about... sort of like being a dog.)

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Reply #17 - Aug 20th, 2005 at 9:22am
 
there are only two possibilities:

1: you will end up in hell where people who don't want any afterlife (to happen to them - but it is happening) go... they will probably tell (lie to) you that that place is not afterlife... but strange things will happen to you (things that makes miserable people like you loose their minds) and afterall you will maybe accept that there is an afterlife... or not... I don't care... it's up to you... :-P

2: there is nothin' there at all when you die, and you are worrying about nothing...!

isn't life simple?...

hahaha

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Reply #18 - Aug 21st, 2005 at 11:12am
 
Love ya' B-man but you do seem to be getting more frantic. Hope all works out for you. You're getting further from the point of the board rather that closer but hang in here and keep trying.

Jean Cry
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The pain of false (ideas of) existence
Reply #19 - Aug 21st, 2005 at 3:01pm
 
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if I can't reincarnate...


You can.


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if this life is the only physical one I'll get...


It's not.


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then I WANT, VERY BADLY, to be permanently snuffed.


There is free will. The part of you that truly wants to be 'permanently snuffed', can opt for that. The part of you that wants existence, wants to be, will continue to always be.

You (the real you, not merely this particular incarnated personality here in this single lifetime) are a lot more (complex, multidimensional and multi-faceted), than you suspect.

So no worries, for either or both of you. There's room in the Cosmos for all of you, Brendan. Whatever you choose.


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How might I best conduct my life...


Existential recycling. One in which you move away from confusion, fear based misconceptions and intrusion (your ideas and thosense are attracting other similiarly confused / miserable extraphysicals, who now have the potential opportunity to benefit from your future enlightenment on these matters, if you should so choose it), and towards maximizing clarification, evolution, assistantiality and love in every aspect of your life.



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... instead of me having to live eternally in an afterlife I KNOW I'll hate?


Is that true? Can you be absolutely sure it's true? All of human emotional suffering is based on false ideas, expectations, misconceptions, limiting beliefs, etc.

Your pain is only based on your discomfort/disagreement with *ideas* that you had *interpreted* from the words of *others*.

The rule of thumb is, if you don't like what you're hearing, then that is your soul telling you, that's *not* what you choose for yourself, so be assured that is *not* what is your reality (at least certainly not in the way you had interpreted or received the idea, as shared by others speaking from their perspective).



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I don't want hell, but I also don't want to "serve others and be selfless" (which is what "heaven" is all apparently all about... sort of like being a dog.)


Dogs might resent that statement, initially; but to say they "serve others and be selfless", they thank you for the high praise and compliment.

But no, that's not what heaven is all about, at least not in the way you interpret the idea of "to serve others and be selfless".

Much of your difficulty and pain, stems only from a basic misconception you have, regarding the concept of 'self' and 'others'.

In 'heaven', ie. in Love, you realize others = self. Thus, to serve others, is really to serve Self (the greater or *true* Self = All Cosmos aka God aka Oneness). So you're even more Selfish=Selfless than ever in heaven, because everything and everybody around you (including all your loved ones, all plant, animal and human souls, all guides & helpers, angels, ascended masters and Serenissimus, and so on up the evolutionary scale, ad infinitum, *without end*), there is only Self=Others/Oneness/Love.

To be more specific, Brendan, this 'Self' that is the real You, the One, that has only illusionarily (not even 'temporarily') fragmented itself into infinity (ie. all souls you see around you), but in essence has always been, and will always be One (ie. You).


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There are those who have the notion of souls temporarily separating from the 'Source' (or God) to experience Creation, then eventually reuniting or 'merging' back with the 'Source' (or God). From our observation that is not the case. Souls have never truly been separate from God, and so there is nothing to 'reunite' or 'merge' back with, once you realize you've never truly left. However, there is certainly *Infinity*, to *connect* (not 'merge') back with, and this is up to free will (the possibilities for each soul is truly limitless); creation, evolution and existence is endless.

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Brendan, if you are interested in exploring these ideas (of self = others = One) further, feel free to have a look at my website, particularly the webpage on "Meditations on Heart.Of.God".


Be Well, Live Lovingly and Prosper.
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Reply #20 - Aug 21st, 2005 at 3:20pm
 
There are times when I listen to you, Brendan, that I can't put away the image of a very well-loved little child, perhaps around one years of age.  You know the game where the child picks up its food or its toy and hurls it to the floor over and over so its caretaker must pick it up again.  This is great fun for the child.  Where will it land this time, it wonders?  The child looks at it's caretaker with big huge eyes as if to say, what happened, where did my toy go? Poor little old me, I don't have my toy.  Then again.  Again.

Then, here's Brendan a little older.  I don't WANNA go to heaven!!!!!!  I don't WANNA!  You can't MAKE me.  WAAAAAAAAGGHHHHH!

hee hee. (it's kind of funny. shhhh, don't tell anyone)

love, blink
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Reply #21 - Aug 21st, 2005 at 5:03pm
 
Actually, sorry, Brendan, just couldn't help myself there for a moment.  We all have our moments don't we.

Quote: How might I best conduct my life, so that my "soul" will be obliterated instead of me having to live eternally in an afterlife I KNOW I'll hate?

This statement worries me a bit, Brendan.  If you are finding yourself asking those kinds of questions, perhaps it is time to get some professional help.  That's no way to live.  Are you depressed?  Whatever is happening with you right now, don't let it get the upper hand.

love, blink
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Reply #22 - Aug 21st, 2005 at 5:14pm
 
Blink,

I'm always impressed by how patient you are with B-man Kiss. In fact it was because of re-reading you's and Tim's responces to him in the off-topic section, that I started suspecting that his two recent threads belonged in that area.  It would still be accessable but not in the limelight. I also re-read some of his earlier posts and noticed that his concerns really haven't changed much.  He's definatly got a one track mind concerning this religious thing and keeping his negative energy going to give him courage. I too wish him well and hope that he can find some peace.

You are really sweet and it comes out when you're working with him.

Much Love and appreciation, Jean Kiss
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Brendan
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Maybe I'm just morally perverted...
Reply #23 - Aug 21st, 2005 at 9:30pm
 
But why do I, well... rather LIKE Q?
He's sort of a smartass, sure. But If there is
some infinite reality, and it is a trickster of some
sort (like Q on Star Trek)...
Then at least I'm doing something RIGHT by not
engaging in "reverent groveling" to some unseen
entity... and that entity (should it exist) will have
about the same opinion of "grovelers" as I do!

B-man
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Reply #24 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 2:54am
 
Brendan..you seem to have a one-track mind when it comes to "God" and the afterlife..

You must be around some hardcore fundamentalists to cling to this notion.

I spent 25 years, off and on as a Christian, but couldn't get past the "heaven" aspect..and thinking how boring that would be.  I could never do the grovel thing either..

My very soul/essence/being tells me that is not what "God" wants either. 

The christian version of afterlife is but one theory..man's attempt to explain the seemingly unexplainable..and his attempt to control the masses through fear and intimidation.  And, for centuries it has worked.

Let go the fear..live your life with peace, knowing..that the universe is unfolding as it should.

Love and peace to ya man!
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Brendan
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Sure enough, Shirley...
Reply #25 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 3:34am
 
Most of my family and friends have gone down the
fundie road (and a couple have become conservative Catholics) in the last 10 years.
Me and my dad are all that's left! (He's an atheist.)
Being around my sister sure wasn't much fun during
the big family reunion we had this summer... and my 8-y/o nephew has turned into a little preacher man with a mission to "save Uncle B." (He thinks dinosaurs and man lived together in what (I guess) I'd call the "Flinstonian Era". That's what his pastor told him in Sunday School, and he made SURE I knew it...)
I fear for the future.

B-man
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Reply #26 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 6:35am
 
Oh my god...
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Reply #27 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 9:09am
 
Berserk ~

This isn't a Bible study, dude.    Lay off quoting Exodus and Philippians.  We can get this mush at any church on any street corner.   

Celticprince

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I will discuss your 4 comments in succession.
(1) Brendan: "What happens to those who truly HATE, LOATHE, DEPLORE, and DESPISE God?"

In the spiritual realm every genuine and precious manifestation of God's love and power is counterfeited and you seem to have been victimized by a toxic brand of Christianity.  In biblical terms, you are spiritually "cold", but your acknowledgement of this fact is a hopeful sign.  The Risen Christ insists that He'd rather people be "cold" than "lukewarm" (Revelation 3:15-16).  To be lukewarm is to be apathetic or indifferent.  During Howard Storm's NDE, Jesus tells him: "The greatest hatred of God is to be indifferent to God.  A person who is indifferent to God is repelled by His light and love ("My Descent into Death,"  32)."  Beneath your deep revulsion towards God lurks a passion that can easily be transformed into the highest and most intense experience of loving devotion.  If you experience the real Christ behind the counterfeit distortions, you will grasp this insight.  My encounter with Him filled me with wave upon wave of liquid love intensifying to the point where I thought it might kill me, totally disarming me of my hostility towards God.  This experience launched me on a lifelong journey to unearth the precious truths buried beneath the distortions of a "churchianity" that offers just enough spirituality to vaccinate us against the real thing. 

I soon discovered the true biblical teaching about Heaven: this life is a not our true career and Heaven is not a place of static rest, a glorified nursing home.   Rather, this life is a school and the afterlife is our true career, full of ever increasing challenges and opportunities to grow and expand.

(2) Brendan: "But I do allow a REMOTE possibility of "it" {Yahweh) existing (and by extension, the Bible being true)."

Perhaps, this is a sign that the Holy Spirit is already beginning a marvelous work in your life, which will render moot your worries about Hell and annihilation.  Perhaps my developing discussion of Swedenborg's verifications can make such a  "possibility" seem less "remote."   Better still, I'd urge you to read the book by your spiritual clone, Howard Storm's "My Descent into Death."

The word "Yahweh" derives from the Hebrew verb "to be."  Its meaning is more fully revealed in God's self-disclosure to Moses at the burning bush.
Moses insists on knowing the name of the god who is sending him on a suicidal mission to liberate the Hebrews from slavery.  To grasp God's reply, it is vital to realize that in Moses' day a deity's name was thought to adequately express His essence. Elsewhere God has twice refused requests for His name (Exodus 32:29; Judges 13:18).   Instead of a name, God gives Moses a phrase based on the name "Yahweh": Tell them I will be whatever I will be has sent you (Exodus 3:14)."  God substitutes this phrase to stress three points: 

(a) Do not presume to reduce me to your culturally limited conceptual frameworks. 

(b) Know me primarily in terms of your experience of me and my gracious acts in your behalf, not in terms of theological abstractions.

(c) I will be whatever I will be for you.  But I also  reserve the right to be whatever I will be to other peoples.  I can reveal myself through their myths and religious symbols as well.  This implication is dramatically illustrated in Amos 9:7:

"Do you Israelites think you are more important to me than the Ethiopians?" says the Lord.  "True, I brought you out of Egypt, but have I not done as much for other nations, too?  I brought the Philistines out of Crete, and led the [Arab] Arameans out of Kir (in modern Iraq)."

At that time, Israel had neglected social justice.  So God reminds them that He has guided other peoples just as surely as He has guided Israel.  His implicit ultimatum is this: either take care of your poor, your widows and orphans, or I will abandon you and confine my self-disclosure to the myths, symbols, and mystical experirences of other religions from other cultures.  Since the Philistines and the Arab Arameans were divinely guided to the Palestine region, this text offers an intriguing biblical basis for Palestinian rights to a homeland.

(3) Brendan: "What place in Hell am I likely headed
     for?"
OK, let's assume for the sake of argument that you never make your peace with God.  I will answer your question in the upcoming discussion on my Swedenborg thread of his many visits to Hell and his discovery of the process whereby souls find their way there with other like-minded souls based on the principle like attracts like.

(4) Brendan: "Or might 'Yahweh' honor my true
     underlying wish...an abolish me as an entity...to
     be let me sleep peacefully forever?"

Both St. Paul (e.g. Philippians 3:19) and the Gospels
(Matthew 7:13) apply the Greek term "apoleia" (= annihilation) to active opponents of God's will and thus acknowedge annihilation as a postmortem option.  Modern sources confirm this option.  In this site's FAQ section, Bruce Moen notes: "Recent exploration has uncovered a sort of permanent death.  IT is extremely rare." 

At the time of his NDE, Howard Storm is a biblically illiterate atheist.  As he puts it, "I knew for certain that there was no such thing as life after death.  Only simple-minded people believed in that sort of thing.  I didn't believe in God or heaven, or hell, or any other fairy tales.  I [would] drift into... annihilation."  Accordingly, he describes his dismay as his NDE begins: "This wasn't right.  Why was I alive?  I had wanted oblivion...Could this be a dream?...But I knew that it wasn't.  I was aware that I felt more alert, more aware, more alive than I had ever felt in my entire life (10-11)."  He then relates his chilling ordeal in Hell, an ordeal only terminates when he reluctantly cries out to God for help and experiences a life-changing loving encounter with Christ.   Christ warns him:

"For some people this [Hell] may culminate in the ultimate annihilation of their being, if after they have existed in this eternity, they still do not seek their way back to God.  For others there is [even then] the possibility of salvation (p. 33)."

The Jesus of Storm's NDE concurs with both the Bible and Bruce Moen that even in hellaceous realms, souls can be retrieved if they are open to this possibility and willing to be transformed. 

During Storm's recovery, he experiences several angelic encounters which save him from certain death.  On one occasion, a credible witness observes the deceased Catholic mystic, Thomas Merton, hand Storm a book about the very cemetery where Storm is paying his respects beside Merton's grave.

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Reply #28 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 1:12pm
 
Celtic Prince,

It is rather you who are deficient in social graces.  I merely responded to a direct question from Brendan and then silently tolerated the UNVERIFIABLE New Age quackadoodle that intruded.   

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Reply #29 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 3:40pm
 
Grin....ROFLMDAO!!!!! Beserk!!!! I luv Ya!!
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