Yes Don.Why dont you go somewhere else,and take sweedenborg with you.This is bruces website.We have are our own ideas about the afterlife.George

Don,

I am sorry that you feel attacked.  I am not trying to sound that way.  My questions to you are sincere ones that you haven't answered. 

I am not threatened by anything you've said.  I don't know if you've read any of my stories about my experiences...have you?  I have plenty of my own personal experiences to tell me what I know to be true, so that is why I can't be threatened.  I suppose you don't believe a word I have said about my own experiences do you?  It doesn't matter to me one way or the other.   

Your experiences are your reality, mine are mine.  Why do we have to prove anything to each other?  Why do you want me or anyone to critique your arguements head on?  You can believe whatever you want, that's fine. 

Why don't you tell us some of your experiences?  You said you have had so many, so can you give us some in detail...like as much detail as you use to write about ES? 

I feel from your threads that you want to change beliefs here on this Board.  Is this a need you have, to change our minds? 

I am asking you honest questions, what is your obsession with this thread?  Why do you feel you need to finish a "pre-planned" purpose?  It sounds kind of arrogant of you to say you have a purpose to support others on this matter and then you will leave once your purpose is served.  Why not just stay and read and answer other threads here?  Is there nothing else here that interests you?

What lack of meaningful engagement are you referring to?  What is lacking here?  What are the real issues of astral projection and retrievals that you are referring to? 

Vicky
PS--If by "immaturity" you are referring to me, yes I admit I'm immature, I love cartoons, ice cream, and sleeping in, but I'm also honest, sincere, and kind.  If I have sounded unkind then I'm honestly sorry.  I am not trying to argue. 

Vicky,

I've shared more paranormal experiences on this site over the years than anyone I know.  I don't like to repeat myself, but sometimes feel compelled to do so.  If you don't know the basis issues of astral projection I'm addresssing, you haven't been reading much of my threads.   Your response just drips with insincerity.

As for your own experiences, I've read a few and failed to see their relevance to the issues that concern me.  So I do the polite thing you and Blink can't seem to do--I overlook your threads.  I suggest you do the same with mine.  Either do that or actually read through my two threads and actually address the issues I raise.    

Fuzzy Quark was an honest British seeker who just asked for consistency: he wanted Bruce or those who use his method to respond to his modest challenge and earn $2,000 for doing so.  He would supply some simple objective information about his recently deceased uncle and ask the wannabe astral adepts here to contact his uncle and ask him 4 verifiable questions like: What's the name of his favorite restaurant?  ES repeatedly demonstrated his ability to do this sort of thing, even to the point of ruling out ESP as a possible explanation.  So if neither Bruce nor RAM nor anyone here can duplicate this feat, why not?  And if verifiable information can almost never be gleaned from retrievals, why not?  Without verification, why would a rational person consider them real?  My own highly emotional retrieval of Janet, an ex-girlfriend who committed suicide, seems just as vivid and detailed as this site's reported retrievals.  Yet I'm certain that my own retrievals and OBEs are nothing more than wishful thinking.  So without Swedenborgian calibre verifications, why should I treat as genuine retrievals that sound no more impressive than my own? 

For years, grieving members of this site have asked for astral help.  They wanted someone to contact their deceased loved one and provide comforting verification.  They were rather consistently told to make the contact themselves, even though they lacked this skill and what they really needed was a compassionate demonstration that it could be done.  I know because of complaints I privately received about how such a request was treated.  I'm sure that most of them would have paid a considerable fee for this service.  I think the honest answer was this: sorry, no one here has the capabiilty you request.

All I hoped for was (1) a careful analysis of why their request could not be satisfied and (2) an exploration of alternative procedures that might rectify this situation.  Then when I discover someone (ES) who really could do this consistently, I'm told to take my interest in ES elsewhere.  If ES is far more skilled at contacting the dead than others, why not give his experience-based arguments against reincarnation careful attention, especially when they are independently confirmed by classical mediums.  After all, ES lived prior to the modern New Age consensus that might otherwise have biased his perspectives.  Wow, threatened seekers are really close-minded!  And blink, your boorishness in the face of an honest spiritual quest is breath-taking. 

Don

Don, the information you provide here is always interesting.  What is boring and not boorish of me to notice is fruitless insulting of other members here who do actually provide consistent encouragement to new members.  Name calling doesn't help anyone on this board, and you have done quite a bit of that. 

Your quest and those of your private friends is not the only thing happening here and as a newer member it is not helpful to me or anyone else to read these kinds of exchanges.  That is not the reason people come here.

I don't think my comment was so breathtaking, really, do you?  I personally enjoy the information you provide, just as I enjoy Kyo and many others, and also the daily personal exchanges here on the board.  But I don't feel obliged to ignore consistent belittling of others here.  Sorry.

love, blink

Not to belabor the point, Don and Roger, but calling people "groupies" or "cultish" is something people are just not going to overlook.  You are intelligent enough to know that...If you want proof that's great.  But why the attitude?  No one is interested in that.  Don has stated that he values logic over intuition, but intuition is there for a reason.

love, blink

Marilyn,

Robert Bruce's board crashed too and I don't post there anymore.  So don't blame me for the board's crash.  Your willingness to do so just justifies the "cultic" mentality that prevails on this site.  If you loathe the term, then learn how to think rationally.  When you espouse the view that intelligent beings inhabit the earth's core, at least try to reconcile this with modern geological discoveries about the earth's center.  When you claim to blow a puff of PUL to retrieve hundreds, yea, thousands of Nazi death camp victims, at least recognize (1) the question of why these poor souls would not have already been retrieved  by other death camp victims and caring souls during the 60 intervening years, (2) the question of why othere so-called retrievals are supposedly performed without PUL, and (3) the question of why a vicious woman like you can even pretend to uniquely channel pure unconditional love at will.  If you really thought I had a big ego, do you really imagine it is loving to avoid the real issues and accuse me of that?

Then explain why I should not expect Bruce and his disciples to just occasionally respond to posters' grief and try to retrieve their deceased loved ones---especially (a) when Swedenborg demonstrated that this can easily be done at will and (b) when Bruce makes provocative statements like this:

"That [his astral] work could be the retrieval of a specific deceased person."  "Contact and communication with those in the Afterlife is as easy as thinking about them." "In Focus 27 anything imaginable can be brought into being."

A few verified on-demand retrievals might inspire millions, including myself, to pursue this ability with passion.  Oh, and I offer no apology for discussing someone (ES) who really could do this on demand and took no money for doing so.  What could be more "cultic" than the desire to stifle this great news and an inquiry into how he learned to do it?

As for my criticisms of the Monroe-Moen claims, the cultic mentality of their followers is eloquently demonstrated by their inability to sense the absurdity of (1) astral aliens who look like comedian W.C. Fields, and come here to collect jokes, not to explore human genetics, (2) RAM's reincarnation memories of cave man pilots flying their machine into the teeth of spears from rival cave men; (3) and reincarnation memories of Catholic priests demanding that an earlier incarnation of RAM rape Nancy, his last wife, as part of his priestly initiation.   Is there no limit to your gullibility?  Apparently not.  So I actually believe I'm doing you a big favor by rubbing your nose in it.  I feel no more intelligent for doing so than someone who patiently tries to explain why cultists are wrong to think that the Apollo moon landings were faked in a New Mexico hangar.

Don

Goodbye Don,   

Thank you for the refresher course you have given me:

Knowledge is not the same thing as Wisdom (101). 
I believe I have now completed this section.  I will always appreciate the effort you have put into it.

best to you, blink