Berserk
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Re: Swedenborg: Father of Astral Projection
Reply #129 - Sep 20th, 2005 at 1:53pm
As already noted, high quality replicated verification is the foundation of knowledge both in science and in astral exploration. So ES's unrivaled verifications and experienced-based refutation of reincarnation are decisive for me.
In one modern study of past life readers, the readers explained their legion contradictions by claiming they were bringing up earlier or later past lives of the same individuals. To dispense with this rationalization of failure, the readers were independently asked to detail subjects' IMMEDIATE past lives. The results? No subject received the same immediate past life from the readers!
Still, past life regression holds a certain fascination for me, despite the number of Napoleons and other famous people who "come through." True, hypnosis is a notoriously unreliable tool for obtaining buried memories, but sometimes it is strikingly valuable. Just for that reason I was struck by David Fontana's skepticism about the past lives that "came through" his own hypnotic regressions of subjects. Fontana has ideal credentials. Consider these two quotes from Fontana's seminal book, "Is There an Afterlife?":
"I..was a founder member of the British Society of Experimental and Clinical Hypnotists (a body open only to qualified psychologists and medical doctors)...I have used [hypnotic regression] for experimental purposes (431-432)."
"I am not necessarily convinced that these past life memories are what they seem. Their paranormality would seem self-evident, but an alternative possibility to reincarnation is...that the details come from the minds of the deceased. This explanation was first suggested to me by some of the mediums with whom I have worked, and WHO ARE IN NO DOUBT THAT WERE THEY NOT TRAINED TO AVOID DOING SO THEY TOO COULD FREQUENTLY MISTAKE THE DATA COMMUNICATED BY DECEASED INDIVIDUALS FOR DETAILS OF THEIR OWN PAST LIVES. In their view inexperienced men and women, encountering similar date in dreams, in spontaneous occurrences, and in hypnotic trance, may not be able to make the same distinction (432-33)."
This is precisely what ES discovered--an insight confirmed by Paul Beard's earlier "classical" mediums.
In a way, I am sympathetic with all the fear-based attacks against me and others on this site. Experimental studies of cognitive dissonance have demonstated that when one's belief system begins to crash, one compensates by trying to convince oneself that one now believes even more strongly (so Leon Festinger, et al). In this regard, ad hominem attacks are understandable and in some ways excusable. I regret none of my blunt responses, but I admit that my quest too is fear-based in certain aspects.
I originally came to this site and read books by Moen and Monroe to gain independent corroboration of the afterlife, to learn to visit the afterlife myself, and to confirm my hope that retrievals were possible. My obsession with retrievals was sparked (1) by my discovery that the early church taught the possibility of retrievals and (2) by TMI's Lifeline program, and 3) by my ex- girlfriend Jenet's suicide and my bogus experience of retrieving her. It made sense to me that PUL might play an important role in retrievals; so I needed to get a handle on what the PUL channelers were really like. I am now convinced that retrievals are either extremely rare or impossible in this life. I pray they are possible in the next life. I had to overcome much fear in telling myself the truth about this unwelcome inference. So I have resisted this conclusion for a long time, but am now convinced by the cartoon-like nature of the many retrievals reported on this site, and more importantly, by the lack of adequate verification. I had hoped that ES would have performed retrievals and not just visits to the dead, but I find no evidence that he believed in this possibility. So after a one or two more posts, I will again abandon this site indefinitely again. I will occasionaly "lurk" on this board to read the occasional interesting experiences that get posted. Beyond that, I want to resume my use of the Gateway CDs and the Robert Bruce-Brian Mercer primer on OBE methodology.
Don
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