uhg! dave, you said the nasty word meditation!

ha ha! here a poem, sort of, I wrote:
hours sat I, but there was no pie, not even in the sky, I felt I should have pie, but alas, there simply was no pie; still, I did sit, yes, for maybe there would show up some pie? and on and endlessly sat I for pie...
hee. u can see where that's going right?
my first slice of pie was from reading Monroe, just a nibble really, but, everyone here should admit that he established a bonafide school of thought. TMI. and don't know if anyone knows this either, that this here place is like an outreach school from that. I once saw a bunch of spirits observing the forum...making comments on each poster...lol. they came to me and said oh look at what that one is doing! wasn't sure I wanted to know! hee. but being the eavesdropper that I am I listened and they said I was afraid to come out of hiding!
well, if you mix psychology with spiritual type concepts which I cannot separate really, you understand right away, higher self is always in there, helping us expand into these greater selves, future selves that we already are on some level. I appreciate the science aspects you bring to us even if I do a bit of stretch there. it's all good. one response from higher self is two in the hole. did I say that right?
about being like a counselor type person; like you and Jean are...been thinking a bit here lately about what Ernest Holmes said; founder of Religious Science. the guy has absolutely no emotions btw. (thought I'd throw that in

ahem. ah, he said The true teacher sets free his student.
I think I've been trying all my life to set others free while trying to free myself from what doesn't feel good. oh course my success or failure in this could be argued for centuries...

thankfully, I have eternity to argue the point

well, y'all have a day now. like my mom who thinks she's smarter than me said "you take the good with the bad." it's the only philosophy I could get her to share with me, however, it sort of gave me some clarity with the relationship.
love and light and enjoy. alysia