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Rondele
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Re: Some of you people here...
Reply #15 - Jan 4th, 2006 at 11:12am
 
Well, let's consider just one example, the earthquake in Pakistan.  At last count, 78,000 people were killed but that is bound to go much higher as more bodies are found.  And once those who did survive but will die of starvation and/or freezing, who knows how many.

One aspect of this tragedy is the high number of children killed when their school houses collapsed.  They had zero chance.  But they are better off than the many thousands who are undergoing agony with no one to care for them, no food, shelter etc.

Terrible huh?  Well, not really, thanks to the new age nonsense perpetrated by Seth and others that we write our own script before incarnation.  It seems that we determine not only when we will die but how as well.  Pretty neat.

Why do you suppose this theory has gained so much acceptance?  Do you think it's maybe because life is such a crapshoot and *hit happens all the time, even to little children who didn't even have a chance at life? 

Somehow we have to explain all of this, otherwise we end up feeling hopeless and maybe even seriously depressed.

What better way than to come up with a theory that says we planned all of this?  Hey, in that case we don't feel as bad.  And then life perhaps takes on meaning and purpose.  No more crapshoot.

The theory of Karma is similar.  Why take pity on that poor guy begging for food in the gutter, when after all, he is only getting what he deserves.  He probably refused food to others in his past life.  Serves him right.  It's a mistake he sure won't make again!  So folks in India can saunter right by him with no regret.

Reincarnation is not new age stuff, but it can result in equal amounts of sillliness.  In another thread, we read of someone who says she used to be St Peter, and walked with Jesus.

In fact, she tells us she talked with St Peter and he told her (conveniently I might add) that she was under no obligation to prove it.  Well, doesn't that mean she is in effect talking to herself?  The implications of that I'll leave for others to ponder.

I'd much rather be the reincarnation of George Washington than one of his man servants, but that's just me.

The human mind is endlessly fascinating.  The one thing it cannot and will not entertain is the possibility of its extinction upon death.  As a result, it will conjure up all sorts of things to assure itself that it is immortal.  And if a person suffers from low self esteem, he or she will proclaim a past life of someone who was famous or dearly loved. 

And finally, while some posters on this board spend countless hours contemplating what lies beyond the grave, the days of their lives go slipping by unnoticed, until one day they realize what other far more useful things they could have done with their time. 

I bet that spending a few hours a week doing some volunteer work that involves helping others is worth oh I don't know.....maybe 100 years of posting nonstop on internet conversation boards.

And I also bet that even St Peter would agree with that!




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Reply #16 - Jan 4th, 2006 at 11:54am
 
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I bet that spending a few hours a week doing some volunteer work that involves helping others is worth oh I don't know.....maybe 100 years of posting nonstop on internet conversation boards.

And I also bet that even St Peter would agree with that!


 Lol very much agree with that!  Though i do think its a bit relative to each person.   I used to volunteer and want to get back into after i get the scooter i ordered--i need transportation, cause this little po-dunk town has very little in the way of public trans.

 As far as the rest of your post, i see what you are getting at though i don't think its so black and white as you are painting it.

 And, while i personally believe in Karma, i don't think it should an excuse not to care about and try to help others.   If i saw a man or woman being beaten on the street, i would be there in a heartbeat and wouldn't think, "Oh well, its probably their karma, they probably deserve it"

 But, and the recent tragedies and scandals surrounding same in LO, and in the Tsunami regions, shows how corrupt our society is, and how little the common person can really help in a direct material way, even if they give of their money....and think it will actually go to what it is supposed too...

 I think this immense, controlling greed in the world, is part of the reason why some extreme changes will happen... A leverler in many respects, cause apparently, we just can't get our crap together without some outside intervention.

 At the same time, most of humanities problems relate back to spiritual 'causes', looking at it from a collective viewpoint.   If many, many more had more spiritual beliefs, and more of these were in power, then the world materially would be in much better shape, i believe.

 Its like with Jesus and that time period.  The supressed Jews then thought and wanted Jesus to lead a rebellion against the Romans, and to vanquish them with his mighty spiritual powers, and some had read this into the prophecies about him.

  They totally misunderstood what he came here for, that he wasn't basically political (though he occasionally made comments on the corruptness of the various leaders and groups then), and he told people that true and lasting changes must happen within self from a spiritual perspective, and then it would branch out, effect others, and gradually lead to better material changes...

 Unfortunately because of the denseness of the energy of physicality, there is a huge "lag effect" when talking about the collective changes materially from the spiritual/consciousness changes which is becoming ever increasing within the individual now...

 Basically, if life originated from pure energy, or what some call "spirit", and if it it going back to that, then the material while it has its relative importantce, is not so much what needs to be "healed" since the material is just a reflection of densified soul energies.

  We need to heal the Soul first, and the only way this will happen, is through spiritual teachings, which also teach a responsibility to others on all levels materially, mentally, and spiritually.  

 Seth speaks against this and so Seth is very, very dangerous to the Oneness, and healing movement, and this the reason why i speak out against these beliefs.  

 Basically they say to only worry about yourself, that you have no responsibility to worry about others in the caring sense...  Only "your" "creating" "matters" type of spiritual baloney.  

 Other, much more verified and reputable Sources like E.C., Bruce Moen, Rosiland McKnight,etc., seem to stress a very different way, that we should be active on many levels for the benefit of others, but again these sources also seem to stress the spiritual attitude changes more so....

 Basically it seems that on average, those with strong selfishness and ego tendencies are strongly attracted to Seth's Teachings cause it supports their selfish, ego ways of being.   These teachings very much keep the ego well fed, and work against the manifestation of the Collective, Universal, helpful to all type of energy which we so desperately need at this very important and critical cycle.

 Normally, i tend to be 'live and let live' and that people's belief systems shouldn't be criticized no matter how much i disagree with them, yet i have a very strong inner urge to speak out against these particular teachings.  While this is not politically correct in this ultra p.c. country, i am reminded of Jesus's powerful and biting criticisms of the spiritually and materially corrupt Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, etc. and more so their insidious and misleading "teachings".   I would completely understand if Bruce bans me for these comments, as i understand his position and what he is trying to accomplish with this board.

 But, when tuning into Seth, i am very, very strongly reminded of the account in Bruce's book of the "guide" called Shawn, and the channelers deep but attached unhappiness, because of her ego needs to be known as a channel (she did have some very "real" psychic abilities but she wasn't very "intune")....  Anybody who had worked on themselves and had some measure of spiritual discrimination who tapped into this "guide" Shawn, realized how filled with darkness and how sick and destructive this spirit guide was.   Not to be hated, or even disliked, but to be spoken out against, while having compassion for those who are suffering so much and so attached to ego.  

 The time draws near for some very, very intense changes on many levels, and people need to be as prepared as possible, and a part of that is logically debating the validity and helpfullness of psychic info and their sources.  In some cases i have impersonally stuck up for the Seth material, but only for teaching/relative purposes.

 Being very Universal and looking to many sources, any which promote the Oneness movement in a practical everyday living manner no matter what name it goes under (Buddhism, Christianianity, Taoism, Cayce speak, Moen speak, McKnight speak, etc.) and what source talks about it, it is very important if it stresses the concept of Oneness yet the "sources" which go against it need to be spoken out against rationally and without strong emotion.





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Reply #17 - Jan 4th, 2006 at 11:58am
 
B-man,

That is very strange, isn't it.  How does a thread show up months and months later for no reason? It is totally out of context, isn't it. 

It annoys me sometimes when old threads are brought back much much later and new postings are added.

Kind of like group deja-vu?  Only not everyone experienced it the first time so their impressions can be confused as well.

Oh, well, live and learn.

love, blink
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Reply #18 - Jan 10th, 2006 at 12:23am
 
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Have the idea that "problems" of various kinds
are "chosen" by us before incarnating, to "advance
faster" as it were.
I don't understand this.


I believe we incarnate on the earth, to learn lessons. We can only learn negativity by incarnating, rather than spending eternity in the spirit world and learning slowly. You said that you wouldn't incarnate as an ant or spider, ect, well, you're right, ants and spiders don't dream, and so they don't have astral bodies. If they have spirits, it's another kind.

In short, I believe we advance faster with our spirit by living physical lives on the earth. I think it helps us reach higher levels of understanding and uplifts our spirits to higher levels of Godliness.
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Reply #19 - Jan 10th, 2006 at 12:27am
 
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Terrible huh?  Well, not really, thanks to the new age nonsense perpetrated by Seth and others that we write our own script before incarnation.


If you'll notice, time doesn't exist in the astral plane. Or rather, an hour in the astral is like two minutes in the physical. When you dream it feels like hours went by, whereas you wake up in the physical and two minutes went by. Different dimensions, my friend.

Yes, I believe we astral spirits planned our incarnation and events going to take place on earth. Afterall, dreams predict the future a lot. So everything is probably planned by God.
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