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Brendan
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Some of you people here...
Aug 10th, 2005 at 5:42pm
 
Have the idea that "problems" of various kinds
are "chosen" by us before incarnating, to "advance
faster" as it were.
I don't understand this.
For instance, I have pretty bad nearsightedness, which has brought me nothing but grief since I
was ten years old. Now...
One of my dreams as a kid was to be a Navy pilot.
That dream got trounced by my eyesight... not to
mention, all the trouble futzing around with contact
lenses, fears about someday going blind, ect.
I've had some other problems too, which I won't
elaborate... enough to say, that they are DISHONORABLE.
Now... to me, the idea of "advancing" and "becoming one with 'God'" are SO uninspiring... SO
uninteresting... SO insipid...
Why would someone like me, who values PRIDE far, far, far more than happiness... have chosen to take a "fast track" to being an ant in an anthill... a "Bug" from "Starship Troopers"... a stupefied, semi-concious (but presumably "blissed out") "cell" in "God"'s big toe or whatnot?
To completely lose my individuality? I never wanted that!
If I have a "higher self" that chose the "fast track"... well, it had better be worried, because I'm coming for its head after I die...
Does not the fact that "advancing faster" via problems is utterly FOREIGN to what I really value, cast
some serious doubt on this theory as a whole? I NEVER WANTED "bliss" in some static, inane, unchanging, every-day's-the-same "heaven"! Makes me wonder who dreamed the idea up in the first place...

B-man
P.S. I wonder if it might be possible to "declare rebellion" from your "higher self" if you will... to
make your conscious self its "enemy", and thusly
break free of its tyranny? To become your OWN "higher self"? Just a thought...
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Reply #1 - Aug 10th, 2005 at 7:07pm
 
Hi Brendan-
Well, let's see what can be learned by having your dreams dashed. Could it be that patience is one of your goals in this life? Or, instad of getting into Naval Air, possibly you had a prior lifetime in which you observed that war was a very low yield activity, so you made certain that you wouldn't have to be in one. Who knows, it might have saved your life. Actually, so long as you have vision correctable to 20:20 by artificial means you can take flying lessons and get a pilot's license, and progress to IFR flying through the same muck and sleazy weather that a military pilot would face. (However, I understand your frustration. My application to the USAF was denied due to an irregular heart, so I went private pilot. And the Flight Surgeon just recently cancelled my medical, so I'm permanantly grounded. I soloed in 1958, so I almost had 50 years of experience in the air. I guess that I'm learning to accept fate too.)

The stuff we've set ourselves up to learn is generally hard to see because we haven't learned it yet. This business of living is kinda like the business of running any other enterprise. We all want to do the good stuff and get all the perks, but what we get is the grunt work, and usually there's darned little thanks along with it. However, as you doubtless are well aware, a boss who has never done the grunt work is never competent to do the other stuff either.

If you eally want to understand who set this mess up, look deeply into the mirror and ask that person about the areas of life in which there remain imperfections. It's not that some Big Mean Guy-In-The-Sky wants to make you sit on an ant hill and smile. To the contrary, if you knew how to do it better, I suspect that you would.

There are only three basic things to master: (1) Be joyful, enthusiastic and creative in what you do. (2) Be contact with your situation, and loving of those around you who are part of it. (3) Be logical, truthful, rational, and as aware as you can be of the actual nature of what's going on. When you master those, you stop creating negative karma, and you can concentrate on positive aspects of existing.

For example, the idea of becoming one with God is not a case of fading into a blissed out whisp of purple smoke that dissipates into the Great Bottomless Void. It turns out to be a case of recognizing that you are part of the biggest batch of joy, enthusiasm and creativity that is happening, and that it is happening with love and acceptance of everything, even those of us who screw the pooch and can't sell the pups, as well as being the focus of all logic, wisdom, understanding and insight. That can be seen in this world as he foremost wave of development on our planet. Throughout the rest of the universe, it's the wavefront of all newness. It's one heck of a fun ride, and you even get to be the driver! BUT - first ya gotta get those three basics under control. (In Sanskrit that's called development of sat-chit-ananda.)

Or, if you prefer, there are lotsof other people willing to join you in resentment, hatred and rage, and in pride and self-pity.

Here's the good news: If you don't get it right this time around, you get to come back and do it all again.
Here's the bad news: If you don't get it right this time around, you get to come back and do it all again.

dave
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Reply #2 - Aug 10th, 2005 at 7:11pm
 
For "be contact" read "be content" - sorry
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Reply #3 - Aug 11th, 2005 at 12:35am
 
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Or, instad of getting into Naval Air, possibly you had a prior lifetime in which you observed that war was a very low yield activity, so you made certain that you wouldn't have to be in one. Who knows, it might have saved your life.
dave


I second that thought. I wasn't drafted because I wear glasses, even though I'm not particularly near-sighted. The rigid system of the military would run completely contrary to my nature, plus I think I may have already participated in war on some other planet. Grin Been there, done that

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Reply #4 - Aug 11th, 2005 at 1:28am
 
Hey Brendan.....pride is good. No doubt...
But it's better to be happy rather than to survive on pride alone. Maybe try happiness first and then placing pride as second in your life?
You might feel better for it.....just my 2cents worth... 8)
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Reply #5 - Aug 11th, 2005 at 3:48am
 
Brendan,

Our bodies are often the reflections of our soul. If you are short-sighted and fear to become blind, it is a sign.

Even your soul fears to become blind clearly, otherwise you wouldn't try to wake yourself up to reality, to see something you feel escapes your eyesight, on this message board.

You say you think advancing and becoming one with God is insipid. Have you ever been one with God? How do you know it is insipid? How do you know if heaven is boring? Have you ever felt close to it?

I think you are being hard on heaven and I think you are being hard on yourself.

Yet, you confirm yourself that you want to go higher, but you feel like you are a bug. You say you wanted more but did not obtain it.

You expect God to give you self-esteem, but you do not give it yourself, therefore you do not see how much God loves you. You do not know how to esteem yourself, you always want more, you remind me of myself at some stage.

There is no fast-track to reach your higher self. If you declare rebellion with your higher self, it means your mind is at war with your heart. If this is the case you are not even one with yourself. Who is suppose to end your own war? God?

Might God love you more than you love yourself?


With love,

Traveller no more.

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Reply #6 - Aug 11th, 2005 at 4:47am
 
I should want to add to that :

without self-esteem the love for yourself is incomplete, because it is conditional.

You love yourself only if you reach high, thus you give yourself love on condition.

When one gives himself such love on condition, it is because one fears, that if one accepts oneself entirely, he/she will loose his/hers motivation to improve oneself.

Do you fear that if you esteem yourself, you will loose your motivation to improve yourself? Have you tried it already? If you ever feel you need to try, give yourself time. Some souls are like spunges, the stuff needs to penetrate for a while.

That fear might stop yourself from loving yourself, which is the cause of your lack of esteem. (it is a vicious circle)

Love and fear cannot live together (as written on this site).

All this is just a suggestion.

With love,

Traveller no more

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Reply #7 - Aug 11th, 2005 at 12:24pm
 
By the way, Brendan -

If you still want to fly, you still have three choices: (1) private pilot, takes about 40 hours and gives full priviledges; (2) Sport Pilot, about 1/3 of the training, most  of the same capabilities, VFR only, self certified medical only needs a driving license; (3) Ultralight Pilot, no license needed, but limited abilities. Google up a few of the Ultralight associations and see if that grabs you.  God has wings for you if you want them. You don't have to trash your Higher Self to find them. All you gotta do is do it.

If you're like me, the problem is not so much with what we can or can't do, but with the ability to recognize the richness of opportunities.  Maybe that's what we're here to learn, hum?

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Reply #8 - Aug 11th, 2005 at 9:32pm
 
Hi Brendan,

Seems like you generated a lot of interest here, as always.

If you are not ready to become one with a greater reality, that is just where you are.  You have stated many times that you like where you are and value your own special point of view from your own vantage point.  You don't want to lose that.

Well then, you are resting on your journey and the view must look relatively good from where you are.  If so, then that is a moment of happiness.

You express your happiness in a way most of us don't, but that doesn't make it less valid.  Even with your "angst" you seem to feel a great deal of as you call it "pride" which may be your code word for happiness.

Glad you are still here with us and sure you are well on your way in your journey,

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Reply #9 - Aug 11th, 2005 at 9:46pm
 
Also, you know, regarding your higher self.  It loves you absolutely, just as you are. 

The fact is, in your writings you do acknowledge this higher self, and you do admit to possibilities which you do not yet understand.  Who of us does better than that?

You are like the woman or man with a lover who is the "gardener" in the relationship.  The gardener tends you and watches over you and never leaves your side.  Occasionally there is a beautiful blossom hidden in the leaves.  The gardner is so delighted it does not even remove the blossom.  The gardner invites all his/her friends to come and admire it.  It is so beautiful.

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Reply #10 - Aug 12th, 2005 at 3:06am
 
Brendan,

I am sorry. 

I really hope I did not hurt your feelings, because it is not you that was hard, it was me.

Very very sorry,

With love,

Traveller
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Reply #11 - Aug 12th, 2005 at 1:58pm
 
Brendan,

I would rather see this point with a little different overview...

We do not choose problems just to “grow up” faster.  The game is, our imperfections make us vulnerable and very often it make us feel bad, so once an imperfection is noticed we start to work on it in order to be able to control some thing that we were unable to control until now.
So due that live seems to be always bringing us exactly the problem we are afraid of  get in touch with.  But this is the very right ting that will make us free from such fear.

So once you feel a great fear about some situation in one of your lifetimes you will certainly decide to go through that situation in order to win it and feel free.

Thanks for being here

PS: Sorry for my English I’ve never studied it.
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Reply #12 - Aug 12th, 2005 at 2:53pm
 
Hi Kardec-
I think that's exactly to the point. We focus on what bugs us because of what we were focussing on when we made a mistake so we get into the place least desirable and focus on the fact that it bugs us, etc around and around. I recall a hamster on one of those exerise wheels, lots of running, but not much moving.

Your English is better than my Portugese! (Actually, since I'm in California, where about half the people speak Spanish, for some obscure reason I learned French instead. My Spanish is really bad.)

Hey Brendan - after generating all this talk, where did you go? I'd be interested in hearing your opinion. Incidently, I'm interested in ultralights (if my wife will let me) - if you pick up a copy of KitPlanes magazine you can get an idea of the field.

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Hey, Traveller, whatcha apologizing for?
Reply #13 - Aug 13th, 2005 at 5:38am
 
If you thought you insulted me, I missed it...
Anyway, maybe that's a good sign for me. If
I am so fortunate as to get another physical incarnation as a human male, I want to be a iron-man...
nerves of steel, with a will and body to match!
I frankly worship hardness, and admire it in others.
Maybe the fact that I didn't see how what you
said might "hurt my feelings", shows I'm on my
way to becoming something WORTHIER than the over-
sensitive loser I let myself become...
Anyhow, don't lose any sleep over it. Wink
About "Heaven"... in a place with no competition
and no "evil" as it were... where would be the
VICTORIES of life... (and my friend, there is NO
feeling quite like that of humbling an arrogant
a-hole. But you'd NEVER get to do this in what
most people imagine as "Heaven"! In fact, I'd have
to LOVE certain people I'd like to spend a couple
of decades personally torturing, followed by banishing them from my presence FOREVER, if I had my
way. At least I'd hope I'd never have to see them
again...) Anyhow,

Don't sweat it.
B-man
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Reply #14 - Jan 4th, 2006 at 8:48am
 
Why is this ANCIENT post of mine showing up???
I wrote this thing MONTHS ago.
WTF is going on here? I DIDN'T repost it...

B-man
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