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Brendan
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Fight in the Astral???
Aug 5th, 2005 at 12:45am
 
Every now and then, I have vivid dreams which
I don't forget. What I'm thinking of here is a full-color
(though not lucid) dream I had a couple months back.
I don't know what precipitated the incident, but I remember completely thrashing some guy... I remember waking up angry as well...
Did I trash somebody on the astral? A resident perhaps, or maybe another living person who was also dreaming?
Maybe it's one of my old enemies from years back when I was a COMPLETE yellow-belly and let people push me around... If so, he might have felt fear and pain as I beat on him... I kind of like to think it was the 20-year-old (held back twice) senior who made my life a living terror when I was a 15-year-old sophomore back in high school. (I still see this clown around my hometown occasionally, and we glare at each other... but he always glares first (a few years  ago in a bar, I was drunk and happy, and saw him for the first time since I graduated. Said hi, and offered to shake hands... the f**ker wouldn't even take a handshake! All because I wasn't a jock way back in the day... just because I wasn't the type to chase a useless inflatable toy around a football field! That was the basis of his contempt, besides my natural cowardice. In any case, HE initiated the hostilities) AND looks away first..! Several times I've had a "watched" feeling, and turned... and there he was, staring at me... until I looked at him and sneered (and felt my blood start to boil.) He's fat and pudgy now, and I've kept myself relatively fit, so he knows better than to say anything...
Be pretty cool if it was HIM I whupped a$$ on!!! I hope he felt every punch and slap...

B-man
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Reply #1 - Aug 5th, 2005 at 10:18am
 
I think it was neat how you offered to shake hands and forget all that stuff...it was his choice to turn away. don't feel bad if he has a problem. maybe you'll meet again after this fight and a truce will be called, that might be where it's headed. its for sure you two have a relationship...... Angry Wink
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Reply #2 - Aug 5th, 2005 at 1:58pm
 
Isn't that just the irony of things in life? In your teen/high school years, all the things that are the most important to you at that time... are the very things that we find later in life to be the least of importance to us.
Having awesome bodies and looks.....jocks, cheerleader status...tons of friends...super active social life....all important to us when we are young.
It's 'our' identity. It gives us our 'place' in our lives.
Then when we get older, we change and find out what the truely important things in life are: 'real', lifelong love, security....family....
We tend to base love and happiness on different things, like what is someones' heart, as opposed to their physical features or athletic stance.
We don't bother much with the concept if you are overweight for example, then you are not worhty of love and relationship....or whether one is a geek.
Who really cares about stuff like that anymore....at least I don't.
Maybe the ones who find all their happiness and glory in their younger years, who have found it in all the wrong places, never really learn how to find the real thing when they are older.
They have lost the ability to find these things because they are so wrapped up in themselves......they grow to be unhappy and lonely people when they begin to age.......get fat, have no social life.......despise the ones they once neglected because now, the once geek has found the very things in life that they cannot find themselves.
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Brendan
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Reply #3 - Aug 5th, 2005 at 2:31pm
 
Well, the fact is that I do hate this son-of-a-b**ch.
I'd like to think that I'll still be getting my PERSONAL
revenge on him 10,000 years from now...
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Reply #4 - Aug 5th, 2005 at 5:15pm
 
Yes, but unfortunately or not, in 10,000 years you will have really and truly forgotten your angers once and for all.  It will seem so unimportant by then.

When we have a fight in our dreams and we seem to be doing pretty well I think it signifies that we have found our own power, and that is a good thing.  However, there comes a time when we want to let down our guard for those whom we can trust (is it possible?) and it is so difficult to really let go.  And we don't want to let go.  It took so long to create this person who is so strong, who is so whole.

All in all, a good dream.   Tell us how it ends up in the end.

love, blink
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Reply #5 - Aug 5th, 2005 at 5:35pm
 
A fight in a dream can also be that one is releasing negative emotions that are dragging one down. Roll Eyes

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Reply #6 - Aug 5th, 2005 at 7:58pm
 
I had a "fight" dream the other night, but I was the one beaten.
A woman kept hitting me in the head.  Her name was Sara(h) ..I don't know who she was..but it keeps playing through my mind, leaving me feeling sad. Sad 

I don't think I've ever had any other "fight" dreams..

It could be the working out of something..or, it could be an actual fight in the astral.

For me, I woke with a headache..as if I really had been beaten..
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Reply #7 - Aug 5th, 2005 at 8:10pm
 
It could possibly be a past life memory resurfacing. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Reply #8 - Aug 5th, 2005 at 10:32pm
 
Blink, this is one hatred I hope I keep forever...
It has been the inspiration for a number of things,
you see...
I have an interest in martial arts which this experience
contributed to... wish I had more money, so I could get regular training (had to drop out of karate a couple of years ago because I couldn't afford the lessons anymore... hope to be able to resume training soon... geez, I wish I'd started on it earlier in life!) I also practice w/guns/knives/miscellaneous devices,
partly for fun, and partly because I will NEVER EVER
let myself be pushed around again physically... I often
like to imagine what I might do to a criminal or mugger. Just for the record...
If I destroyed a criminal, I would be PROUD OF MYSELF FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!!! Just so long as I was completely in the right, legally speaking (and I KNOW my state laws up and down!)
And what is a criminal, but an ADULT'S bully? ? Fit only for destruction, as it is too late for the creature to learn decent behavior (once past about the age of 20, you can't fix a sociopath...)
BTW, I'm a big supporter of capital punishment (with the sole caveat being that you MIGHT end up executing the wrong guy... so it needs to be applied very judiciously, to say the least... not with the glee that Dubya showed in Texas, in any case.)
So you see... I want to hold onto this hatred, for its possible benefits in the prosecution of an over-the-period-of-many-lifetimes self-improvement campaign, as it were...

B-man

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Reply #9 - Aug 6th, 2005 at 7:50am
 
I know you want to keep the anger, Brendan, but the fact is that we progress whether we want to or not.  Yes, anger can be a creative power.  But there are other creative powers at work in our lives.

The fact that you even once went up to your enemy/friend and tried to shake his hand shows that you believe there can be a different outcome, somehow, at your core.  We can leave this lifetime without the outcome but the outcome WILL come.

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Reply #10 - Aug 6th, 2005 at 10:33am
 
Shirley, maybe you know this person who is hitting you on the head, either in spirit you know her, or in physical reality. shes using this way to get your attention. I know, bummer, that she thinks this the only way to get your attention. the name sarah could be a spiritual name. we carry different name vibrations on the other side. for instance my realtor's name in physical was Sharon, on the other side I spoke with her and her name was Seresa. I had a hard time with this name business but its starting to sink in. ask her what she wants, give it to her, and she'll go away. lol.

ok, I've never actually had a knock down drag out fight out there, but I had an interesting encounter with Gabi, my best friend in this town for the last 2 years.

before I met her, I dreamed I was to meet her. she was portrayed as alpha female, wolfe spirit. she is like that; she has 3 dogs, and they certainly see her as alpha female of the pack. in addition, lol, her husband is spiritually taking her lead as well. he's into drugs and she is with him to try to get him away from that.

anyhoo, in the astral before I knew who she was, before I even came to Roswell, I was doing my gliding thing searching out my future locale. just walking by when this strong female with hands on hips appeared as a wolfe, then changed into a woman. at first I'm like whoa! what's this? I send her a rote I'm just passing through. Roswell, that is. suddenly she is on me and we both become two energetic whirlwinds spiriling through the air, a test of wills? I'm like, what? you want to dance with me? u want to throw yourself up against me to see who is stronger? I love animals..I'm totally like a wild horse myself in my imagination. so I say, ok, c'mon even though I'm a loner and I was in Roswell just to write a book, not be sociable.well my horse spirt, whatever, and her wolfe spirit tumbled about, and each attempt of her to subordinate me was met with a sort of tai chi mentality, of easy flipping motions..I was quite amazed at my own comprehension of this non-resistive type art form, for fighting is an art form if u know how to do it harmlessly. so it was like a fight, but it turned into a romp, like animals romp and play. so I'd say when two people appear as opposed to each other, these are the ones that turn out to be your true buddies. she looked at me with respect after that and I felt PUL pass between us. the relationship is like older sister trains younger sister..something like that. anyway, I now have her collecting wolfe figurines and setting them around her house! ha ha!
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Reply #11 - Aug 6th, 2005 at 6:57pm
 
B-man,

I remember the reoccurring dreams that I had after my first husband and I got divorced.  It was always the same dream of fighting long exhausting fights in some sort of tenement.  This was after I was married to sweet man, my current husband, and living on a tropical island.  (As a note: One of the main reasons I fell crazy in Love with this guy was that he could express anger, assume responsibility for it, not let it get out of hand, and finally to use it as an opportunity for me to know where he stood on an issue or indicate a boundary so that our love for each other could grow. Without saying, these ground rules go for me too. Now when after an outburst we conclude together, “If you’d only do it my way, think like me, …we’d have no problem and laugh.)  Fortunately, I was also a merchandiser during that period and was able to work a lot of that anger energy out on the company baler (I slammed that sucker with all my might), climbing the OSHA ladder, and hefting tons of merchandise throughout those years.  But I also noticed that if I did any lifting when I was angry, I had to make an appointment with the chiropractor soon after.  You probably keep in pretty good shape and stay fit because of your anger too. 

Anyhow, after a while, I became better at letting the anger go as I was also reading and studying material pertaining to working with emotions and my spirituality.  As an aside, I’ve noticed that some of the most evolved individuals around me also tend to carry around a lot of anger that seem completely unaware of.  It always surprises me when I see this.  For example, I used to work with an older woman who was very knowledgeable on astrology, a psychic, and one of the individuals who was part of a group who would meditate in the new lamas. She was aware of her past lives and did a wonderful reading on me to reciprocate for something I’d done for her.  She was so angry in so many other areas and afraid of authority figures that it continually surprised me.  Another one that I work with now is a vegetarian, goes to local metaphysical meetings, and is a frustrated naturalist.  These are people who I do not expect to be as angry as they are.  Me, on the other hand, as the oldest of three brothers, and feeling responsible for them since I was 10 years old plus experiencing many other of life’s “injustices”, expect myself to have a lot of anger.  But as I’m learning that the anger energy, though while motivating and at times energizing, can also be draining. 

Furthermore, I’m learning that when I get really whipped up, within a short period, the grieving starts.  Now when I see it starting to escalate and if just recognizing it and telling myself to let it go doesn’t work, I seek a good laugh or a good cry and it dissipates (hugging a tree sometimes helps too).  Peace sometimes can be hard to come by but the dream you described could be the first step to healing, not necessarily the relationship, but the body.  Let’s face it, after you woke up, you didn’t have any bruises and you lived to tell the tale.  After my fight dreams ran their course, I became more interested in learning to forgive so that I could find peace and decrease my anger.  Currently, I notice that when they are asking/demanding impossible things of me at work, I feel my blood pressure rise and my face get hot.  That’s my reminder to speak up, speak out, and remember that I am not the victim in this situation but an intelligent caring conscientious individual who is doing the very best job I can for them.  Actually that attitude seems to be paying off more than holding in that energy, I think that I’m one of the few people left since March when I started there.  Weird.  Anyhow, another thought on anger, I forgot.  Oh yeah-now I remember.  That’s why I enjoyed reading Gordon’s book, Eternity and How to Enjoy It, where he continues to have this running battle with his best friend/enemy throughout many life times.  Anger is just another human emotion that we’re working with.  But I can see where, if we don’t get in touch with it and use it to our advantage, it can ooze out of us, like pus, at the most inopportune times.  I also suspect that some of our illnesses come from not being in touch with this useful emotion as well as many of our so-called “accidents” especially when we dissociate ourselves from it. 

The bottom line is that I know a lot about anger because I tend to get angry when I’m overwhelmed  Shocked, angry when I feel hurt  Cry, angry when I frightened, angry when I’m frustrated  Undecided, …you get the idea.  But mainly I get angry when I feel powerless and forget that I’m not.  I’m really a very powerful individual, as each of you on this board are, especially when we remember that we are more than our body and have helpers in many guises, including those unseen/unremembered ones in our dreams.

Thanks for the topic-I’ve actually been contemplating on the anger issue this week for some reason and needed an outlet to explore it more fully in hard copy. And it’s sorta' like what I always tried to get across to my kids-Awareness is all-and when they were old enough to start getting intolerant of individuals who were prejudice and racist and they got so heated at those people that they shouted that they should be killed Angry-I laughed  Grin and told that their job was only to be aware of their own prejudices and recognize them to adjust their thinking in their own time.  I think that goes for this catch all emotion, anger, too.  For, IMO, the exercise, being human, is more about being real and congruent and aware, in whatever stage we’re at, then in being perfect.  Also, for me, hatred was a heck of a lot easier for me to let go of.  All I had to remember were those great words of my middle brother, “We are what we hate” and boy did find that to be true! Alysia's getting the first hand dope on this truth and sharing it with us.

Keep up the good work-for when we write it out here in a safe arena, we get the opportunity to see who we are.  It’s then that we all can more efficiently learn and grow.  It’s a buddy system after all.

Love, Jean Kiss         
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