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Wanderer
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Jul 29th, 2005 at 3:45am
 
Dear Members,

I read the Chapter on Max's Hell, which left me with some impression, which I will clarify here.

First : Some concepts are difficult to explain, especially for me because I never talked about it out of fear, shame, etc. I feel I might act clumsily or talk clumsily, but if I say something that you might feel is not right, just tell me because I am here to learn.

Second : I need you to have some background before I start. Many people around me hurt each other's feelings, because when you are hurt they feel superior, because you feel so down. I analysed this and came to the conclusion that they do this, because it gives them a feeling they are powerful and in control of others. That feeling of power and control, seems to make them feel safe.

A consequence of this, is that, whenever you do something positive, they ignore it, or diminish your positive effort to hurt you. So you will never get attention or understanding. It also bereaves you of free will at some level, because they seek control as I told you.

REMEMBER : Do not give me attention to compensate for this, give me attention because YOU want it, not because I bring this up. The title of this topic "seeking attention" is meant for ME to point out that I feel terrible, because I feel alone with myself inside. I think it handicaps me to make correct choices because I seek compensation, and at the same time my quest bereaves others (who aren't aware) of free will. I want other people around me to stay free, because I feel I was never free enough.

NOW : Here comes the part where I am ashamed and afraid. First, let me tell you I always feared to talk about it, because I am afraid to be judged. I am afraid to disappoint myself. I am afraid to say to much and feel naked. I am afraid of being afraid because my fear is an obstacle.

I am also ashamed, because I saw these people act like that and I always thought it was a normal way of behaving, which means I behaved like that myself. By telling you this, I fear you will fear me because I could hurt your feelings. I believe I should I have known better and even now, as I speak, I think that I could make other mistakes because there are wrong behavior-patterns that, just I said, I am not aware off.

Each time I solve a problem within myself, I just encounter another.

I think I don't know what to do. I don't know how to get out of this situation.

The feeling I have is that, there is a problem within me and that I am constantly beating about the bush, without actually seeing or finding the bush itself. I think I keep hurting people that do not deserve it (Let's face the truth!). I don't know what I don't see, but I should be seeing it. I don't realize what is holding me back, but I feel sad.

I want this to stop. I do not feel I am being very successful.

This has been going on for quite some time, I think I feel tired, but not physically or so. I am so tired emotionally. It is like I never slept.

I don't know what I should ask for to God, the Helpers or other to solve "myself". This is why I am always wandering. I don't know what I am seeking.
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Reply #1 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 5:03am
 
Hi Wanderer. You have travelled good distance on your life's journey, if you have become aware of what is around you and how it operates to mutual detriment.
Keep on as you are, trying to steadily climb a little further.
Perhaps simply praying for Truth, for guidance and for knowledge and asking that the way be shown to you, could be a mighty, yet subtle help.

Be prepared to leave all that is familiar, behind you, as you climb.

Best wishes.
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Reply #2 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 5:23am
 
Thank you for your encouragements, hiorta.

When I was a little kid, I always wanted to Help people, to give them Love, the best love I had in store.

I have given it everything. I gave more love then I received and I got somehow lost in the process.

I am tired, but I want other people to learn through my life and my mistakes.

Thank you again.

With love,

Wanderer
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Reply #3 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 6:05am
 
You know, I have been more active on an emotional level lately. It started when my father died.

He came to see me in dreams, but he was not like I knew him in life. In life he was always happy and jolly, but when I saw him in dreams he looked sad and serious and indifferent.

In one dream, I was telling him I needed him and that I felt lonely without him, but he did not react. A year later he came back with a Helper. The Helper told him that he should say something to me, to reassure me, to make me feel safe. My father told the Helper : I don't know what to say! (My father said this with an underlying thought of : Is this important!).
A year later, the last time I dreamt of my father, a Helper showed me were a treasure was burried in a house. I said to that person : "That's great.  I need to show this to my father!" I left the house and came into a street that looked like ours, but the street was empty. Like a little girl, I ran to my father who was working in his garage. I was happy and said:"Daddy, I found a treasure. We always talked about that!" My father did not look up. He looked in a bad mood and was thinking "It is only you". And then he said :"I still have a lot of work. I have no time for this!" And I felt an underlying thought saying : "It is your fault if I am stuck here!" Then a Helper appeared next to me and said to me:"You cannot save someone who does not save himself. You do not belong here."

The Helper sent me a thought : Your father always pushed you to work, to be the best at all cost, even at cost of your soul. He refuses to see what harm he caused, because he only wants to see his good intentions. This is why he undergoes what he puts you through. He even blames you for his state.

I never went to see my father again. My father died 3 years ago. I still love him. I do not believe he deserves this. I do not think he is evil.

I would have stayed with him, even in hell, because too many times, when people are in trouble, everybody just leaves, because one is scared to be sucked into the trouble with that person. I did not want to leave him behind. I hope he makes it.

Wanderer

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Reply #4 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 6:35am
 
(posted before the note about your father)

Wanderer, (my English is not very good, excuse-me)

Selfishness some times creates an illusion of happiness, because when one’s doesn’t mind about the other feelings things seem to go on really easier.  However as time passes some of us realize that to reach the happiness we need to live in peace with the others, and that some kind of higher consciousness have been sent us this message since the begin.

In my opinion you are part of the group who has lost the selfishness so the way you deal with the others means so much to you and it shows indubitably that you are just in the right way.

The only way to give the others good “stuff” is give it to you first. You need to understand your self and take care of you with love in order to have a healthy love store and pleasant experiences to pass along to the others.

Some rules:

Believe you are a very especial being who is worried about how live goes on;

Believe you can love your self a lot because you can find traits of yours that worth to be loved;

Believe that the path seems to be harder exactly when we start to do what is need.

The best thing you can do to reach the achievement you “think” you don’t know what are is just finding a problem, solving it, and go to the nest one.

And finally believe I really liked you a lot just due to the feeling I have while reading your words.

Keep going you will get there.  

Ask God to help you to understand your self and improve your ability to love your self. He is ready to give you the answer.
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Reply #5 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 7:02am
 
Thank you Kardec

for your heartwarming words and precious advice.

I will try to think of it as much as possible.

Sometimes, when I make progress I fear I will fall back into my old habits, because I am so used to it and because I feel insecure. I sometimes do not know what I should hold on too.

These Helpers I have met and talked to all looked so anonymous to me. It is like I do not see their face or feel their feelings. I only sense their disk, their orb, their central presence. It feels so abstract sometimes.

They sometimes need to repeat things twice (or more) to me, before I really get it, before it touches me. In the beginning, I did not even recognize them as Helpers. I thought they were just like everybody else around me and when they did a good action, I thought it was a coincidence or an unconscious move of good fortune.

I did not even notice I had ceased to believe in hope and good. I thought good, love, choice and hope were privileges, not rights. I must be deep to know such things. I take nothing for granted.

I feel I have so much to catch up.

Wanderer
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Reply #6 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 11:21am
 
Wanderer, I read of a lot of fears that you have. Replace the fears with LOVE. Love and fear cannot exist at the same time.

Love yourself. First and foremost we must all love ourselves. Wink

With Love, Mairlyn Wink
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Reply #7 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 12:12pm
 
Wanderer,

I once knew a girl with some similarities in her life to what you describe.  For example, she grew up in a home where there seemed to be a lot of emotional abuse and too much pressure from her father for her to work hard and succeed and do things his way.  As a result, she ended up studying something she didn't enjoy in college and then quit before she graduated.  And then her father died suddenly at a young age.  Your situation may be different in many ways from that girl, but I felt moved to respond to you because I have known someone who went through some similar issues in life.

First of all, you talked about "wrong behavior-patterns" within yourself that you were not aware of, presumably because you were brought up that way and didn't think there was anything wrong with it.  These are indeed very difficult things to resolve.  I have some wrong behavior patterns in myself also, such as perfectionism, which I have tried very hard to overcome and have only made slow and gradual progress.  My thought would be, just try to listen to other people's ways of thinking and doing things, and see if you find patterns other than your own that you admire and would like to cultivate in youself.  And don't feel guilty about the negative patterns you already have, since it wasn't your fault you developed such patterns.  The challenge is to move forward, not keep looking at the past.

You said, "Each time I solve a problem within myself, I just encounter another."  In response I would say, that's probably typical.  You are going through some major self-reflection and a period of your life where you may realize a lot of things about yourself that you want to change, and it may be a long and difficult process.  But keep trying.  I myself know about this from personal experience, because once I really seriously started analyzing my own personality and looking deep into my soul, I found a lot of things there I didn't like -- some things even that repulsed me -- and it is taking years for me to try to forgive myself for these things, overcome them and move beyond them.

You said, "The feeling I have is that, there is a problem within me and that I am constantly beating about the bush, without actually seeing or finding the bush itself."  I would like to suggest that the proverbial bush might be your sense of deep-seated inner inadequacy, as a result of your upbringing in a family where you faced emotional abuse.  If you feel inadequate and do not love yourself, then many bad personality traits will follow.  I would encourage you to do a lot of prayer and focusing on spiritual healing to help you recognize the Divine Light within yourself, and that your outward personality is not who you *really* are.

As for the dreams about your father....  First of all, I have become increasingly skeptical that dreams necessarily reflect an objective external reality in most cases.  So your dreams could reflect your own fears about him, rather than his true spiritual state.

Secondly, if your dreams about your father really are the special kind of dream that is a true vision of reality, then I would try to remember that individual souls are not fully responsible for their own progress, and even souls that are "stuck" or struggle to move on will one day find the help they need.  Contrary to the New Age doctrines of absolute free will and that people can only help themselves and solve their own problems, I believe there is an omnipotent and benevolent God who is going to save all souls in the end.  I believe this because of the testimony of the Gospel about Jesus Christ.

I would encourage you to check out Christian Universalism, which teaches that all souls will eventually be saved and enter heaven.  This teaching, which is based on a correct interpretation of the Bible, may perhaps bring you some peace concerning your father's fate in the afterlife.

My website: http://www.christian-universalism.com

I hope my comments don't sound too glib.  I just thought I'd share a few thoughts, and maybe something I said will be helpful.

Peace,
Freebird
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Reply #8 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 1:20pm
 
Hi Wanderer-

In my clinical practice, I occasionally have people who come to me with a lot of shame and regret for their past actions, and they always want to be reassured that there might be hope for them in the distant future. My response is always in the negative.

Merely by caring about your actions, you have completly freed yourself. There is no future to consider, it's already happened. So don't beat yourself up, over the past. Put that behind, and instead accept that you have reached a level at which  you are participating in the wonderful unity of all who adventure through life. In the end, our participaton is with God, and as God. Your paticipation will continue to grow as you contnue to develop the skills to dodge the temptations that cause others to backslide.

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Reply #9 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 10:33pm
 
Hi Wanderer and welcome to Afterlife Knowledge. people are responding to you I think because you come from the heart. many of us have experienced a not so pleasant childhood, yours truly included so don't feel alone. it's just a movie and you are safe here.
wanted to mention about the guides and about your dreams, to continue to pay attention to them, and not to discount them but to continue to consider what you have been given as there may be more yet to unravel. I use dreams much and derive many helpful messages from them in my journey. I have the same kind of guides that you describe in your posts, as well I have met my father in dreams and others as well and I know they are real encounters now although I cannot prove this to my friends..I no longer need to prove it. I think u do have a treasure..I think you are the treasure. thank you for sharing your thoughts with us..the plot thickens...but you are safe..love, alysia
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Reply #10 - Jul 30th, 2005 at 5:01am
 
Dear all,

I have had so many responses. Thank you so much to you all: Marilyn, Freebird, Dave, Alysia.

I think I feel so blind on my own. I need to see more, better and clearer and you help me so much by sharing your points of views.

My view of the Afterlife is misty though, because I have not used a Hemi-sync or anything. I always heard a beeping sound in my ears since I am a child and then an external thought. I always thought it was some kind of mental illness.

I sometimes hesitate though. Maybe all I see and know is wishful thinking. I developed my own vision of the world. Imagine my astonishment when I found this site. All the things I thought are confirmed right here. It is so amazing, so incredible to me.

I am kind of happy to say that I acquired the knowledge I have by myself, by looking, by sensing, by questioning within myself. I always thought that all the answers we seek are programmed within us.

When I was a kid, an external thought came to me and asked me if I wanted to do charity and help people or if I wanted to stay with my family. They said that if I would stay with my family it would be hard, that I would think it is hell.

I decided to stay with my family, because everybody left my parents when they were in trouble. I did not want to be like that. I also thought that any difficulty should teach me how to be stronger, to understand better. Sometimes, you only understand the gravity or the consequences of a situation when you have been through it.

I love humanity, although humanity does not make it easy for me to love it.

With love,

Wanderer

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Reply #11 - Jul 30th, 2005 at 10:27am
 
Wanderer said: I always thought that all the answers we seek are programmed within us.
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that's a good way to think. kind of an exciting thought actually, that there is no question does not have an answer hanging unto it.
I often think of the time delay between a question and answer session, with myself, or with those guiding influences we've been talking about above. my idea of the shift in consciousness is that the delay between the question and the answer arriving is becoming shorter...a friend of mine says to hold onto your hat, or fasten your seat belt..because we are in for the ride of our life during this time period...ok...that sounds ok, life is a bit like a roller coaster ride anyway. welcome again Wanderer, you've wandered into the right place! love, alysia
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Reply #12 - Jul 30th, 2005 at 1:31pm
 
HI Wanderer-

At risk of sounding pedantic, it seems useful to point out that you got on this ride of your own free will, by selecting a birth time and place, in order to discover what was happening here, and even more, with you yourself. As each day goes by, it's always easier to see the same problems as were there yesterday, and to feel that there isn't much else happening. But if you look backwards over the years you'll notice that your perspective about yourself and your direction in life has changed greatly. More than that, it continues to change, and is steadily leading you to a better existence.

You cn isolate three factors in life (or in quantum mechanics). First, everything is a member of a single reality, held together by oneness, and we sense it as love. The way that we sense other things is by the ways that they relate, the measure of their properties and tendencies, and we sense this as the relationships of definition, truth, logic, wisdom. Change occurs by the manifestation of those tendencies through which new patterns and assemblies are created, this is sensed as the creative energy of the universe. Overall, we enter through a door of negative feelings, and we leave through the door of love and contentment, through joyful creativity and vitality, and through awareness and wisdom. As you examine your life, you'll notice that this has also been your path, and continues to be your future. (You can find the same information in virtually all major belief systems.) The only trick is to accept it, and enjoy.

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Reply #13 - Jul 31st, 2005 at 6:36am
 
Hello there,

Thank you Dave and Alysia.

Dave, I indeed think at some level I did this to myself. But then again, I am not sure. I choose to deal with a problem as a child, that led me into the difficulties I am confronted with now.

I believe that if I had known the effect on me, as I know now AND I believe if I simply knew what I know now, I might not have picked this direction.

I still believe difficulties are meant to help us grow and overcome ourselves. I think what we call "hell",  is a result of our ignorance, a stage in which we have to learn, a world created by the thoughts we harbour and by the misconception that these "wrong" thoughts lead to happiness or hope or safety or whatever other positive state, like if the end justified the means.

I have come to greater understanding and hope my path might help others to realize what I have blinded myself for, for so long.

Thank you for your love. I really need it.

Wanderer
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Reply #14 - Jul 31st, 2005 at 9:13am
 
dear wanderer; you bring up a good question:

the question is "would you live the same life over that you've lived if you knew then what you know now?"

I think that would be called the life review process which I discovered you don't have to be looking at your dead body in order to review the life. I see many people reviewing as they go along here so that the same mistakes aren't repeated over and over.

when I study the child I see in most cases they have no memories of being here before in a body, but there are notable exceptions to that rule to add to the mystery..Robert Monroe being one of the exceptions; he wrote "Far Journies" and several other books. in one instance he revisited another life where he even carried the same name, only Monroe was spelled Munroe..strange huh?
my point would be perhaps that you would not be who you are had you not been who you had been and that there is no experience which will ultimately annhiliate the human who is becoming or emerging into it's fullness through it's myriad experience here. or I should say that annhiliation or that process of disintegration of a consciousness is so rare that it's nothing to be fixated upon or worried about. I have discovered there is a universal intelligence that takes care of it's own. we don't have to repeat what has been fully assimilated and digested and exposed to the light as an illusion through the life review.
as the holocaust people said: "never again."

love to you, I think you are shining your light here!
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