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Brendan
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One reason I hope there's no afterlife...
Jul 26th, 2005 at 2:13am
 
If there is a "God", or "Pervasive Intelligence" to
the universe, it means... I'M NEVER TRULY ALONE AND UNOBSERVED.
I mean... at least I'd like to think when I'm on the john, I'm totally alone in the universe... but if there are "spirits", then I am being SEEN and HEARD in there...
So much for privacy.
Also... I'd like to think that certain thoughts I have are known to NO-ONE BUT ME... and will NEVER in all eternity be known to any but me. For example... I won't give you the exact details, but I am a Grade-A pervert sexually. I fantasize about some things which I have NEVER told anyone about, and never, ever will. (The most I'll say is that they ALL involve human females... no beastie love or gay stuff for THIS perv-o...)
But if there is a "God", or an overarching intelligence... and by extension, an afterlife... then there IS someone who knows ALL these things about me.
So, let mechanistic materialism be the TRUTH, I say. (Don't religious people find themselves haunted by this privacy problem, if they're not nice conforming All-American "missionary position only" chocolate-and-vanilla types, sexually speaking???)
If there's an afterlife... then there is a Creator of some kind who is omniscient... and therefore, no privacy. Do any of you really want this to be
true???

B-man Shocked
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Re: One reason I hope there's no afterlife...
Reply #1 - Jul 26th, 2005 at 4:16am
 
We're all part of God and  He's you too, so how could you hide something He/you already knows ???
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Re: One reason I hope there's no afterlife...
Reply #2 - Jul 26th, 2005 at 4:49am
 
Brendam,

You can plant any seed you want to the only rule is that you will have to feed yourself with the harvest. (There is NO God judgment at all)

About the privacy stuff unfortunately it’s not possible due to the fact that your mind is a little piece o Gods mind. So would it be possible to someone to use your feed to walk without your knowledge?
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Re: One reason I hope there's no afterlife...
Reply #3 - Jul 26th, 2005 at 10:01am
 
ROFLMAO  Brendan, you crack me up.  Of course you're never alone and are ALWAYS observed. You have guide and higher beings around you all the time. However, they are not interested in your sexual activities. They're interested in your spiritual progression.

Now you probably know from being on this board awhile that those souls who are addicted to things such as alcohol, drugs, etc., usually have 'stuck' souls hanging around them trying to get that 'high' again. I'm sure it's the same with sexual perverts. There are probably/could be many 'stuck' souls who are pulled to you to try to get that 'sexual high' again too.  Just my thoughts.  Shocked Wink

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Reply #4 - Jul 26th, 2005 at 7:26pm
 
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        Your letter makes me smile, yes you are correct in that we really dont have any privacy. Gosh long long time back when I started to really communicate with those in spirit, I was in the bathtub and someone from spirit came around me, I said excuse me but could you wait till after I get done with my bath, I remember hearing a thought form that said " We really are use to this and communication is much more important than observing a bath " so when you get over there Brendan and decide to pop in on someone it may very well be with a different attitude than we have here on the earth plane about such matters. love linn   http://www.spiritlinnusa.com
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Perversion & Privacy? or Self-Judgement &
Reply #5 - Jul 26th, 2005 at 8:25pm
 
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If there is a "God", or "Pervasive Intelligence" to
the universe, it means... I'M NEVER TRULY ALONE AND UNOBSERVED. I mean... at least I'd like to think when I'm on the john, I'm totally alone in the universe... but if there are "spirits", then I am being SEEN and HEARD in there... So much for privacy. Also... I'd like to think that certain thoughts I have are known to NO-ONE BUT ME... and will NEVER in all eternity be known to any but me. For example... I won't give you the exact details, but I am a Grade-A pervert sexually. I fantasize about some things which I have NEVER told anyone about, and never, ever will. (The most I'll say is that they ALL involve human females... no beastie love or gay stuff for THIS perv-o...) But if there is a "God", or an overarching intelligence... and by extension, an afterlife... then there IS someone who knows ALL these things about me. So, let mechanistic materialism be the TRUTH, I say. (Don't religious people find themselves haunted by this privacy problem, if they're not nice conforming All-American "missionary position only" chocolate-and-vanilla types, sexually speaking???) If there's an afterlife... then there is a Creator of some kind who is omniscient... and therefore, no privacy. Do any of you really want this to be true??? B-man Shocked


First off, you may wish to further explore your concept of a Creator-God, and your relationship with Him/Her. What exactly is your relationship to such, that is to say, how you *choose* to relate to such, is *determined* entirely by your free will, not by what someone else (eg. a pastor) says.

Secondly, it is not invasion of privacy of your sexual perversions that is the problem, it is your own fear of being judged by others (eg. extraphysicals or 'spirits', or even 'God') that is your problem. And it is not even being judged by others that is your problem, it is you judging yourself, that is the problem.

Thirdly, as to the sexual 'perversions' you perceive you have, first drop the negative emotional associations with the idea of 'perversion' as something 'bad'. It will only get in your way of understanding what this issue really is, and how you can benefit from it. So don't regard them as 'perversions' or something to be ashamed of. They're not. There's never anything to be ashamed of.

Next, understand that by the nature of the intense emotional energies associated with such sexual ideas ('perversions'), it is more than likely that there are intruders involved, that feed on, encourage, suggest more ('perverted' ideas), and (in effect) exacerbate the 'perversion' issue.

But exercising self-responsibility, you understand that intrusion by other (extraphysical) beings, can never be used as an 'excuse' for one issues (if it is, then you are only 'excusing' your own opportunities for learning, for evolution), because intrusion/attachment/possession can only occur when the seeds of the issue are already present (by your free will, your choice, your intentions, your thoughts and emotions) within yourself, and *these* attract the extraphysical intruders.

This is the 'higher purpose' for intrusion/attachment.
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/HilarionDiet.html#Intrusion


But most importantly, what can you do now to help yourself? The first step, is to realize that your problem is NOT that of privacy (that is merely a concept, one that is now giving you suffering).

One of your issues is your understanding or concept of God. You will have to explore this for yourself, including a redefinition of 'God' that is meaningful, helpful and (thus) correct for you.

But you have many other issues (issues = opportunities for learning; so the more the merrier, assuming you are *willing* to teach *yourself* and learn from *yourself*, on these issues), such as associated with self-judgement, 'privacy', sexual 'perversions', self-love, sexuality (what all of these mean to *yourself*), etc.

And so, it is not feasible to address each of these separately, and in fact, only *you* can correctly address these for yourself. But only if you can first begin to see these clearly. Clarification, is the key to the begin solving all your (and verily, *everyone's*) issues. If you can't correctly identify what's happening, you can't begin to work on them.

To that end, the perusal of Bryon Katie's work is recommended.

"Loving What Is"
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#ByronKatie

My post on Byron Katie's "Inquiry Process - a Tool for Clarification" :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1117041145


Take care,
Kyo
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Re: Perversion & Privacy? or Self-Judgement &a
Reply #6 - Jul 26th, 2005 at 8:42pm
 
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But exercising self-responsibility, you understand that intrusion by other (extraphysical) beings, can never be used as an 'excuse' for one issues (if it is, then you are only 'excusing' your own opportunities for learning, for evolution), because intrusion/attachment/possession can only occur when the seeds of the issue are already present (by your free will, your choice, your intentions, your thoughts and emotions) within yourself, and *these* attract the extraphysical intruders.


And what makes you think you voluntarily chose your own thoughts and emotions?  For example, did you choose to be straight or gay?  Did you choose to like the taste of Limburger cheese or to hate it?  I think not.

So, in other words, demon possession absolutely *is* an excuse.  If a demon becomes attracted to someone because that person was *given* thoughts and emotions they didn't even want to have (such as a person who finds himself with perverted sexual fantasies from the time he hit puberty, perverted desires that he may have against his own will), then that demon did not attach to the person because of the person's free will.

The main problem with new age religion is that it places WAY too much emphasis on free will, when in fact our own common sense and personal experience tells us -- all of us, every one of us -- that a lot of our drives, desires, impulses, thoughts, emotions, etc. are not things we chose to have.  All we can choose is whether or not we act on them.  People cannot be held morally responsible for things that are out of their own control.

Having experienced perverted sexual thoughts myself from an early age, my suggestion to Brendan or anyone else would be simply to try not to focus on them.  Try to shift your focus onto other kinds of thoughts about other subjects, and to do other things rather than lying in bed fantasizing about perversions with a jar of vaseline. Wink  The more you reinforce it through actions, the worse it will get.  That is something a person does have control over.  JMHO.

Peace,
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Re: One reason I hope there's no afterlife...
Reply #7 - Jul 26th, 2005 at 9:24pm
 
A couple more points I wanted to make in this thread....

First, about the privacy issue.  I think it's true that we are being watched all the time, but I don't worry a whole lot about it, because I have done a lot of self-analysis and realize what my own strengths and weaknesses are, and have gotten to a point where I feel I have little to hide.  If God or angels or spirit guides know my worst, dirtiest, darkest secrets... oh well.  I figure that's just life.  There's nothing we can do about it anyway.  One product of my belief in no-true-privacy is that it makes me value honesty more in life, realizing that lying does no good, since nobody in the spirit world believes your lies.  Therefore, since even the living people you're lying to are going to find out the truth when they die, there's really no point at all in lying about anything.

Second, on the demon possession issue.  I wanted to mention that in my own life, I was raised by atheist parents with no religion, and was taught that one's thoughts are private and that it's only the actions that matter.  Therefore, when I hit puberty and began having perverted sexual fantasies, I didn't try to repress my fantasizing because I had no idea that thoughts are important.  I figured that I could think whatever I wanted, and as long as I didn't act on perverted fantasies, it was fine.  How wrong I was!  I became religious when I grew up, and in the past few years of deepening my spirituality I have learned that corrupt thoughts can attract corrupt beings such as demons, earthbound spirits, etc.  At least that's what most religions, NDEs, and others reputable spiritual sources teach.  So, probably when I was younger and I indulged in perverted thoughts, I may have attracted evil beings to myself, without having any idea of what was going on.  I was not raised to believe in such things, but to consider those ideas as foolish superstition.  So, I think God takes such ignorance in consideration when judging a soul.  Since I have deepened my spiritual knowledge, I no longer indulge in perverted fantasies; rather I strive to repress them.  I have noticed that these involuntary thoughts and urges have tended to diminish as I have stopped deliberately thinking about them.  Then again, maybe it's just that I'm not a teenager anymore with the raging hormones and constant boner... who knows.  Grin

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Brendan
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Demon Posession? What a SILLY idea.
Reply #8 - Jul 26th, 2005 at 10:15pm
 
Gimme a break here. Freebird, I thought you
Xians were big on personal responsibility???
My thoughts are all my OWN doing, that much I'm
absolutely certain of. They weren't "planted"
in me, they are a result of my own rather
twisted imagination... be careful with the "spirits
invading your head" theories, folks. Down that
path lies... SCHIZOPHRENIA.
P.S. If there's a God, I suppose he/she/it knew all
things from the beginning of time... but I don't like
the idea of a universal "hanging out of the laundry" post-mortem. PEOPLE are who I don't want to know about the details of these things... and most people are judgemental schmucks, that's ONE thing I've learned in this life. These same people, who I'll presumably have to keep company with in any putative afterlife (frankly, I'd be happier if I NEVER saw most of them again... even some of my own family members.)

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Reply #9 - Jul 26th, 2005 at 11:19pm
 
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Gimme a break here. Freebird, I thought you
Xians were big on personal responsibility???
My thoughts are all my OWN doing, that much I'm
absolutely certain of. They weren't "planted"
in me, they are a result of my own rather
twisted imagination...


How did your imagination get twisted, and why do many other people *not* have a twisted imagination?  Brendan, are you actually saying you sat down one day and said to yourself, "I am going to choose to have such-and-such twisted thought or impulse"?  If not, and the thought or impulse just somehow randomly arrived in your head... guess what -- it has nothing to do with free will.

I can tell you that I personally have had many thoughts and impulses that I did not choose to have.  Of that I am absolutely certain.  They just randomly appeared in my mind, sometimes repeatedly and very strongly, and in many cases were things I really didn't want in my consciousness at all.  The challenge -- and this is where free will and moral responsibility gets involved -- is to resist the bad thoughts and impulses and nurture the good ones, and to only act on the good ones.

If we really are held responsible in the afterlife for every thought that has ever crossed our mind, or every desire or emotion we ever felt... then that's just "New Age Calvinism."  It would mean that some souls are predestined to be judged for personality traits, likes, dislikes, feelings, etc. they didn't voluntarily choose.

I don't believe that for a second.  It would be absurd.  And I definitely am a believer that souls are held accountable for freely chosen thoughts and actions.  The fact is, some things are freely chosen and other things are not.  It's just like the way some people are born gay -- they didn't choose to be attracted to the same gender, it just happened to them.  But if a person goes out and has gay sex, that is an action and that is freely chosen.  See the difference?

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Reply #10 - Jul 27th, 2005 at 12:28am
 
Embarrassedheheheee! Guess I'm screwed now!!! If anything, I hope that those watching and listening are at least enjoying!  Tongue Wink
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Reply #11 - Jul 28th, 2005 at 5:37am
 
Freebird, I strongly suspect these perversions
were a result of various ideas, memories, and
other things from my experiences as a child
which coelesced into rather unusual fantasies
during my puberty and teenage years. Add that
to the fact that I've been social garbage since pre-
school, so I was left alone with my thoughts, so
to speak.
So... demon possession, ya think? (And SERIOUSLY,
Freebird? What century are you living in, the 14th?
You make me think of some ignorant, wild-eyed, finger-pointing, louse-infested medieval Inquisitor with your little theory...)

B-man
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Reply #12 - Jul 28th, 2005 at 6:52am
 
Out of interest since I haven't lost anyone close to me yet, does it bother any of you that they know and can observe what you get up to sexually?
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haha...
Reply #13 - Jul 28th, 2005 at 8:57am
 
...don't you see?... the being you call 'god' wants you to be a pervert... he/she/it wants to express creativity and curiosity in Great Unknown through consciousness like you... he/she/it is a pervert too... hahaha... the thing is: you have to have an open mind about things and not to exclude anything after you die... if there is nothing, then there is nothing... and if there IS an afterlife, you will not be lost (if you listen to stories from Bruce Moen, Robert Monroe and others)... (((Q))) Grin
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Reply #14 - Jul 28th, 2005 at 3:32pm
 
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Freebird, I strongly suspect these perversions
were a result of various ideas, memories, and
other things from my experiences as a child
which coelesced into rather unusual fantasies
during my puberty and teenage years. Add that
to the fact that I've been social garbage since pre-
school, so I was left alone with my thoughts, so
to speak.


Exactly.  Which means you need not feel responsible for the fact that these thoughts came into your mind.  It happened naturally, because of your programming in childhood, etc.  So the only question that remains is, are you going to dwell on the thoughts or not focus on them?  Because that is something that you can choose.

I have dealt with similar problems.  I have found that the less I choose to focus on perverted sexual thoughts, the less these thoughts tend to arise in my consciousness.  But that doesn't mean I should feel guilty or responsible for the thoughts arising in the first place, as some people seem to think would be appropriate (the absolute free-will folks).

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So... demon possession, ya think?


Nope.  Not at all.  I don't think you're demon possessed; I accept your own naturalistic explanation for why you developed particular sexual impulses and fantasies.  Some others will probably tell you you have evil spirits influencing your mind, but not me.  I stay away from all the stuff about demon possession.  The way I figure, worrying about it can only make it worse, if it in fact exists.  And also, if God wants to remove a demon from a person, He will do so.  We don't need to go to exorcists or whoever else to attempt to do this for ourselves.  It's all up to God, my friend.  If God wants a demon attached to a person for a while, it will be attached, no matter how many exorcisms or prayers or other efforts are made.  On the other hand, if God wants to remove a demon from a person, it will be instantaneously removed, without the need for ceremonies or other efforts and works by human beings.  JMHO.

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(And SERIOUSLY, Freebird? What century are you living in, the 14th? You make me think of some ignorant, wild-eyed, finger-pointing, louse-infested medieval Inquisitor with your little theory...)


Which theory is that?  I really don't know which belief I hold is similar to a medieval Inquisitor.  I honestly have no idea.  Could you please let me know?  My worldview tends to be heavily influenced by modern science, rather than traditional religious dogma or spiritualism and superstition, which is why I sometimes oppose the ideas of those on this forum who discount the strong influence of biology, genetics, the brain, etc.

Peace,
Freebird
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