Well, Freebird, I just don't believe that God wants a demon attached to anyone....but that's just me....

Brendan, our sexual impulses are endlessly fascinating but I don't particularly want to dwell on yours.... I am just of the opionion that we are really not that large in the grand scheme of things.  When we are in the afterlife, which exists now, this will just not be an issue.  Perhaps we will have experiences of that nature there but the judgements that follow us here won't exist there.  And the afterlife is just so huge.  Your mind will expand simply from being there and you will find that your obsessions don't have the same meaning there.

I'll tell you truly that a glance in your direction from a being in the afterlife is more powerful than anything you have experienced here.  To be known there is wonderful, incredible, intimate and perfect.

love, blink

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ROTFLMAO!  Gotta love that imagery.

I think you misunderstood me, Brendan.  I am not a big believer in demon possession.  In fact, that whole subject scares the shit out of me and I don't want to touch it with a 10 foot pole.  If it exists, then it exists, but I'm not going to give it any more power in my mind by thinking about it.  Realistically, I suspect that most of the people who think they're demon possessed are probably just suffering from some kind of schizophrenia.  But of course I could be wrong.

As for my belief about what causes sexual perversions, I have my own theory about that, and it's pretty much based on a scientific worldview.  I think it's mostly because of childhood experiences regarding sexuality, as well as genetic influences that tend to promote an increasing level of sexual obsession and perversion with each new generation.  Natural selection throughout human history means that the people who are more focused on sex and do it more often, are going to reproduce more.  There are of course exceptions to the rule, especially today with widely available birth control and abortion, but for many thousands of years, the really perverted and sex-crazed people were the ones crankin' out the babies, whereas the people who had lower hormone levels and purer thoughts just weren't as interested in sex so they didn't pass on their genes as much.  Science has shown us such amazing facts as that over 25% of central Asian men are descended from *one man* (Ghengis Khan), who had wild sex orgies with thousands of concubines and sex slaves, probably raped thousands more women, etc.  Other sex-maniac warlords also became the fathers of other peoples around the world.  Science tells us that many personality traits are passed on in the genes, so naturally, rabid foaming-at-the-mouth sexual appetites and perversions are gaining ground in the human gene pool over the centuries.

I doubt if demons have much to do with it.  Naturalistic explanations based on Darwinian evolution work just fine, on this issue.

Just a few thoughts.

Peace,
Freebird

This topic is cracking me up... we are SO arrogant when it comes to our sex lives! Yeah I wonder all the same things other people wonder. I also wonder how women cope in those cultures in which the woman lives at home and the man comes for the night (no pun intended). Does everyone listen in???? I really can NOT imagine enduringf life in a culture like that with MY family. And what about the trditional ..which culture is this from? The traditional Morroccoans? On the wedding night, the husband must hold the sheet up for the public to view. It is supposed to be bloody. If it isn't, do they lynch or stone the woman? What if it isn't bloody because the man can't get it on? But the woman will be blamed. I think one could Sweat blood under such circumstances. And you guys are worried about voyaguers and higher beings looking in!

Higher beings checking in on your sex? Probably too boring. But it can't be any worse than when my kid was in daycare...highly licensed ...Bright Horizons...the doors on the "toileting room" were Dutch, ie half doors, and the teachers could look over the top and check on the kids...and the boys and girls used the same room, and there were no problems!....It is probably the same for us.

So I happen to have a second job doing retail. I work for a company whose name many of you in US might recognise. I get a big $7.88/hr so I won't mention their name. I had heard this was a problem but I had never experienced it first hand in over a year of working very part-time. But a week ago Tuesday I was filling in for someone else in the Women's Career Dept. Dressing room can be very busy. I finally, toward the end of evening, got a chance to empty the dressing rooms. Got to the one large enough for a wheelchair and having a bench for seating. There was a blouse on a hanger under the bench. I innocently pulled it out. BIG mistake. I thought someone had thrown up at first, but I was wrong. Got the boss to help clean it up. I had heard things like this happen. Tonight one of the cleaning guys told me that he has to clean up a dressing room (always the women's rooms never the men's) in which someone has defecated about once a month. Don't know the guy so don't know how accurate this is. But I can verify that he is right some of the time.

Now if you substitute "weird defecation practices" for "weird sex practices" in all the above posts, how does it change the conversation? We think our sex lives are so sacred...but in the end I think sex is as glorious and as mundane as defecation, even though the consequences are different.

BTW, what kind of person defecates in a dressing room? What kind of demons possess them?

And about the sex practices...Why are we humans so arrogant to think our genitals are so significant???

Alysia thanks for your post. Tonight at my mundane retail job I was back in MY department...putting all the bras away...(speaking of arrogance, why are there so many kinds of bras when tits are for feeding babies?)...and I was just trying to think about soething real...and I had a moment when I thought of myself as a conduit of PUL...just a fraction of a second, but I was really a conduit of PUL...[not a creator. I give. I'm not there yet, but a conduit was powerful too.] For some reason I flashed on a former co-worker (one of a group I mentioned recently in a separate post, maybe that's why he was on my mind) someone whom I don't like and do feel judgemental about but don't Really dislike...but I for a fraction of a second experienced this state of sharing PUL with him, and everything else lost significance. And I think if I can experience being a conduit of PUL like that again that I won't care who watches me engage in sex. I hope the guy had a good moment too. (Tim, a blessing to you.)

God, if I could only experience that again...with both friends and enemies...none of my problems would have meaning.

I'm still chuckling over your post, Brendan!

Doubtless there are perverted spirits out there who care.

In fact, I commute to work three days a week and spend two nights in a motel. I could swear that some nights I feel as if someone is there trying to seduce me. (After images of prior tenants?) It reminds me of a tale one of my professors told about how frightening it was when he had sex for the first time. It was in the middle of the night. Everything was still and silent. The room was dark. It was rather confusing. He was all alone...

I'm still chuckling! Excellent post.

dave

Hey guys, come on now. Freebird is entitled to his opinion, too. Be respectful.

Are you a teenager, by any chance, dude? Because if you are, it comes with the territory, I'm afraid, as is a lot about your mental state. You'll probably grow out of it.

In the meantime, just remember to respect your body and others around you. Whatever that means in your opinion is up to you, but make sure you're acting with love in whatever you do. Okay?

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I think that love has great healing ability.  The sense and feeling of love does something to the blood within - it makes it as if come alive.  And so i think this topic is good to talk about because it affects each one of us but because it is never spoken about - we never know is it right or is it wrong - if it is wrong why do we think about it (woman most the time)(men all of the time) ! It is the mystery of sex - i cannot say i know the answers but it needs open expression to try understand this part of ourselves that is almost as if hidden.

i enjoyed reading the comments and add mine; here we go and please bear with my working outs.

i have posted a script here under the topic HimHer in this it said there are two types of woman;
the seductress and the woman of soul.  I believe that there are also two types of men; the man through his power control (a unrefined ego) looks at woman for instant gratification through the physical.  And there is the man who recognises the woman of soul and honours her feminity knowing she leads him onwards.

We see that the seductress woman and the power control man go together.  Here we find that they are expressing love although it may be called lust.  This is truthfully only because they are searching for something or feel something missing - and one night stands or various partners fulfill this need - temporarily.

But truth be known it leaves them even more empty - yes the sex was good and might sustain the emptiness for awhile but the physical is the only connection.  Without a deeper connection they feel empty, even more so with the women and from a women's persepective; (that i think has got lost somewhere through the feminist movement) Man is women's pillar of strength.  Man makes a woman feel safe and protected and he makes her feel like a woman in her true sense.  Unless this is abused and she begins not to trust men and gets caught in the endless cycle of self-gratification.  This is because there is no deeper connection between the man and the woman.

From the perspective of the woman;
The chaste warrior is the most virile. True connection is the mental possession of all her other bodies (her spiritual bodies).  The genuine orgasm isn't a physical one but another which is endless, and which is produced by your contact with her invisible bodies, where you will find the perfume of her invisible body, the warmth of her lips, the amorous racing of her blood intensified.  As she will find in yours.

This is the mystical Tantric coitus, the alchemic wedding.  And here it is found the woman has no soul .. she is the soul. This for the mystical union is one of a path called A-mor 'loveless love' which is a harsh discipline, as cold as ice, as cutting as a sword.   

Okay but now lets get back to the basic's.  There is one desire in the night - to be hold tight and be loved and give love. And what if one does not meet their mystical partner in this life, what if one is in a commitment but does not find this mystical love that has been Risen above the basic bodily needs that seems to come and go in passing? When love is the foundation of all - why is this part so hard? And if love is so healing ..

Truthfully, i cannot answer this for my path seems to be this one of the 'loveless love' without the mystical union part (can i say yet?!) So i dont know the answer but i think that as everything in life and especially one on a spiritual path, there is a need to take everything to a level higher.  Sex included.

i hope others will add their thoughts here as well.  (A difficult subject to be sure or maybe not for some)