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Jun 26th, 2005 at 6:27pm
 
transferring this topic over here on this new thread from the "is Jesus Real" thread.

so Don brought up the question of who to pray to: God or our own higher selves. I was wondering if anyone here could define what prayer is first from their own words. I'll give my definition later. lol. in case anyone's interested. anyway, it's just a discussion and I like to talk. if anyone has had their prayers answered that's what I would like to hear also. love, alysia

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Reply #1 - Jun 26th, 2005 at 7:29pm
 
ok, hope I'm not talking to myself Grin although I guess I'm good company lol.

what is prayer? heres some ideas for discussion and the topic is always how we create the afterlife to my pov.

people say things like "that person hasn't got a prayer." or heres one: "pray without ceasing."

church of religious science just says "treat and move your feet." nothing about faith, nothing about emotion there. although I don't think I ever tried it quite that way. I always had to make it more personal than scientific. like Frank Sinatra, lol, we always have to do it "our way." there must be tons of puns, all like rotes.

here's a shortened version what is prayer my pov.
1) ask 2) receive, or 1)talk to God or higher self
2) then listen for the answer.
anybody got any answers what makes prayer work or not work?
I personally don't think it matters which diety you pray to and that includes the higher self concept, as long as you are open to receive the answer to what you are asking and quiet the mind long enough to be able to hear it. after all the sun shines on the just and the unjust unlike. love/light/peace, alysia
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Reply #2 - Jun 26th, 2005 at 8:01pm
 
Alysia, I feel that prayer works the way my tag line says. Wink I believe that prayer is any thoughts or talking outloud to God/All That Is with LOVE in one's heart. And Intent.  Meditation can also be prayer depending on the reason for the meditation.  Or maybe meditation is always prayer. Wink

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Reply #3 - Jun 27th, 2005 at 1:14pm
 
I think your tag just about says it all Mairlyn. thanks for response. alysia
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Reply #4 - Jun 27th, 2005 at 3:41pm
 
Hi Alysia,

Since I got that tag line, my prayers have changed to thanking for what it is I'm praying for, already accomplished, already done. It makes a big difference in my 'feelings' of praying too. Wink

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Reply #5 - Jun 27th, 2005 at 10:04pm
 
Hi Alysia,

I never really understood prayers, but I definitely think they work. 

I really can go on and on about prayers being answered. 

Sometimes I question the fact of them being coincidential but here is one that I believe is not:

Once my kid was in school with a terrible tooth ache.  I was not at home at the time.  I had just walked into Mernard's when suddenly I heard this voice in my ear that said "ROBERT BRAINARD PLEASE REPORT TO CUSTOMER SERVICE!" 

Now on a normal day since I pay attention to NOTHING! I would not have heard this.  However, the voice was very clear and almost thunderous.  So I get to the phone and the school nurse says I'm needed immediately cause my kid has a bad tooth ache. 

The voice in my ear could be coincidential--I'll buy that.  So I get to the school and pick up my kid. I call the dentists office to try to get him in.  They say they're booked up for the week and that we would have to make an appointment or go to the hospital and take him to emergency--something like that anyway. 

So I hang up the phone and not a minute later, the receptionist calls me back and tells me they have a spot and to bring him in immediately.  So bring him in and everything was taken care of.

As I was bringing him in, he told me in the truck that he prayed for the tooth ache to stop and that's when it dawned me that his prayer must have been answered.  The prayer didn't cause the pain to go away, but I believe it caused these series of events to take place.

Here is another one if you've got time to read.  Now this one is just tooooo coincidential.  I remember my wife and I traveling to our new duty station which was in Ft. Cambell, Ky. 

We ended up staying in Hopkinsville which is quite a ways from Ft. Campbell.  Anyway, upon my first day going into Post the MPs pull me over and told me that my tags were expired. 

Now normally they would just tell you to turn around and that you can't come in until you get it corrected.  That way you still have your car.  But nooooooooooooo.  They kept my car and said I couldn't move it until I get my tags corrected. 

Back then I was a scared little kid in a new environment and didn't know anybody.  I called my soon-to-be 1SG for help and he yelled at me and told me to get it fixed and he ain't got time to be giving anybody no ride (His exact words).

It was our only car and had no idea how I was going to get home.  I tried calling a taxi but no one would come and I was getting really desperate.   

All of a sudden I saw these two ladies coming out of the store.  I don't know what came over me, but I asked them for a ride to Hopkinsville, which is a long way a way, and told them I would pay them. 

The reason I say that I don't know what came over me is because it was way out of character for me.  Anyway, they said how much and I said "fifteen dollar's", which was all I had.  They looked at each other as if a miracle had just happened. 

On the way, they were explaining how they needed fifteen dollars for a locksmith and how they had been praying.   They were almost desperate enough to go around and start asking people until I suddenly approached them. 

Well, they took me all the way up to where I needed to be, got everything taken care of, and then brought me back. 
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Reply #6 - Jun 27th, 2005 at 10:59pm
 
Very, very cool SS. Wink

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Reply #7 - Jun 28th, 2005 at 1:17pm
 
I enjoyed reading them SS. Do you have anymore?

Really good stories, just shows somethings at work anyway!

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Reply #8 - Jun 28th, 2005 at 3:21pm
 
thanks for that SS. great human interest story about prayer working. I'll share a little. I was cleaning a lady's house and I was too sick to continue (long story) so I began to pray the best I could. DP, my guide said to "pray, believing." I spent a long time trying to believe I could have my healing. my eyes were closed but I heard my  employer kinda sneaking up on me to see if I was working maybe. she was sick too. I didn't know for sure if I was imagining her there listening to my prayer, but as she was sick also, I asked that both of us get healed. lol. two for the price of one. to make a long story short I got an instant healing and so did the lady and she sent me home early with pay, all bubbley and happy and spiriit filled were we both. I think she went in her bedroom and she must have joined me in a prayer state.  thanks again SS, love to hear stories when something "works" versus when it doesn't.
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Reply #9 - Jun 28th, 2005 at 5:47pm
 
Hi, Alysia and all,

I like this topic and I love listening to all of your stories.  I won't give a personal story although I will say that that prayers are ALWAYS answered, most often with renewed clarity and peace. 

Prayer for me is an opening of the heart.  To share.  I can open my heart to myself,  to nature, to God, to Jesus, to the great mysteries... to my joys, my griefs, my fears, my angers....to you...the list is endless.  Life is an endless source of prayer "without ceasing" as you say, Alysia.

I can sit before my prayer as if I sit before the ocean.  The ocean retreats to the source and returns to me over and over.  Each time there is a whisper or a roar or a laugh but never a silence.  It is always answered!

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Reply #10 - Jun 28th, 2005 at 8:02pm
 
Years ago, when my youngest daughter was barely 3 years old, she became really sick...and I will share this story with you. It was Easter and I had spoiled both my daughters with 'way too much' chocolate goodies.... Tongue........a few days later, my youngest started getting sick, tummy ache...flu like symptoms. I thought she had just eaten too much chocolate. But when these symptoms carried on into the 4th day and after I had taken all the chocolates away from her when she first started getting sick, I decided to take her to the doctor. Just to make sure that there wasn't something else going on...
The doctor agreed that she had too much chocolate, but he also figured she had a bit of a flu as well.....that time of the year. He also said that she was starting to show signs of dehydration...from the loss of body fluids...so he wanted to admitt her to the hospital to put her on an i.v drip to get her fluids back up....he said for 24 hours..then she could come home. She ended up in the hospital for several days....really bad flu. Once she was feeling better, they released her this one morning. For the better part of that day she was feeling really well....however, as the dinner hour was passing, she was showing signs of getting sick again....I gave her an early bath and planned to put her into bed earlier than normal.....after the bath...and about 7pm.....she sat on her bed while I put her pj's on and she looked absolutely awful....and, she seemed to look sicker as the seconds went by. This really scared me because she was getting worse so fast.....I thought that I would just wait acouple hours or so before running off to the hospital again.....after all, they did tell me that she only had the flu...and she had gotten better, otherwise they wouldn't have released her.
I barely got the pj's over her head, when she just let her little body crash to the bed and her head fell to the pillow....she was so weak that she couldn't keep herself up anymore.  She was asleep before her head actually got to the pillow. As I said, this scared me.....I put both my hands lightly on her back as she lay there...and I prayed and prayed my heart out for her. I prayed for many minutes...maybe 20. After about 10 minutes of praying....I felt my hands start to get warm and then hot....and hotter....and her skin on her back became very warm as well, if not hot.
After that 20 minutes of praying, I left her side and left her room... I was checking in on her every 10 minutes or so...her fever was back...her breathing was shallow....I was thinking that I better not wait to take her back to the hospital......not even an hour after she first laid her head on her pillow. I checked on her and found her fever completely gone.....she was cool and breathing normal....she woke up when I entered her room...and holy cow. She bounced up out of bed full of energy and healthy glow....and looking like she had never been sick at all! I had prayed only an hour earlier....and here she was.....she had a drink of water, went right back to sleep and then next morning she was as if she had never been a sick little girl. It was amazing.....and yes, prayer does work!  Smiley
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Reply #11 - Jun 28th, 2005 at 9:13pm
 
Very cool story mystic. Thanks so much for sharing this with us.

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Reply #12 - Jun 28th, 2005 at 9:34pm
 
You know, I really can't remember a time when my prayers weren't answered.  I would have to say that they were always answered in some way.  When I pray for money, of course God doesn't make me rich but I always given what i needed.

Sometimes it's as if God knew what I wanted before I even asked for it.

For example, one of my hardest and most stressful times in my life was when I got out of the military.   We ended up staying with my sister who lived in a little 2 bedroom house.  Actually, it was meant to be a one bedroom. 

Me and my wife were soooo stressed out--not only living in that litty bitty house but with the bills and stuff also. 

After about 5 months, we knew we needed to move out.  However, there were hardly any houses in the area that were up for rent and the ones that were were outrageously expensive.  Even the apartments in the area were like 700 to 800 a month minimum. 

At that time I took whatever job I could get which was at McDonalds and certainly couldn't afford anything like that on my salary. 

Anyway, I remember laying down in the bed of my truck one day--dozing off from all the stress, when I was suddenly awakened by my wife and she says, "guess what? I found a house; It's right around the corner."  At first I thought she was joking, but sure enough there was a perfect little house for us for rent which was only about 500 dollars a month. 

She told me that she had been praying for a house.  What was weird was that there was a mattress covering up the "For Rent" sign on the window the whole time.  I noticed that when we cleared everything, we noticed a whole lot of people stopping and looking in as if they were wondering how they had missed that house.  I guess houses were in big demand at that time--especially little cheap ones and especially in that area.  However, the deal was done and we had already signed the agreement. 

Of course we still had our tough times when we lived in that house.  We were very short on money.  I kept praying and praying for money.  My wife had mentioned that she had been having dreams that all this money was coming in.  I guess what was happening is that when I started school, I started getting all this money from the military and my student loans had already covered everything. 

I had no idea it was going to work out like that and it was my sister who pushed me into going to school even when I thought I couldn't afford it.  What caused her to push me--I don't know.  Anyway, I still have to pay those student loans back but it certainly bailed us out at the time. 

So here I am working at McDonalds.  However, I was having a really tough time dealing with customers.  I just wasn't use to them and was slowly breaking down.  I took everything home with me everynight.  I can't even begin to tell you how much stress I was under still. 

Anyway, I had been praying for God to release me from this place.  I went looking for other jobs and got calls from 4 of the 5 places that I had applied at.  These were decent paying jobs and not fast food either.  Anyway, I took a job at Tower Automotive, who gave me the job like right away and accepted that as a blessing. 

I guess I should start my prayers up again because I been sitting at home jobless for almost six months now.  I must have sent like 50 resumes out already and only got one phone call and one interview.  Although I was the creme of the crop at the one  interview that I got, the company all of a sudden decided that they couldn't hire anybody else cause their budget was too tight. 

I don't say much prayers anymore though unless it's for someone or I'm giving thanks.  After coming back home from Kuwait, I seem to be feeling really guilty and sellfish if I decide to ask for something.  I guess it has something to do with the stuff I've seen and experienced over there.  Some of the people that I've encountered down there were so humble and such hard workers.  You wouldn't even believe how some of our people treated them.  And they only get paid maybe two hundred bucks a month yet they're so happy--unbelievable.

Anyway here is another story I should get out before I go to bed.  This one is about a guardian Angel I suppose and really--I can go on and on. 

I must have been about 6 or 7 years old and this was during the time we lived in our haunted house.  My parents had left me at home by myself when this powerful thunderstorm came rolling in.  I was playing with my friends from across the street  at the time until they were called to go inside. 

I got to tell ya, I looked at my house and it was very very foreboding and I'll never forget it.  Well, I decided that I had to go in.  Actually, I had considered staying outside and weathering the storm.  There was more comfort in that than going in to that scary haunted house. 

Anyway, I went in and the storm came rolling in.  Suddenly all the power had cut off and I was just sitting on my couch scared out of my wits.  I mean I was frozen.   

All of a sudden I hear this knock at my door.  I had this very warm feeling come over me as I answered.  It was one of my friends two doors down.  He said his mom wanted to know if I wanted to go to their house to have dinner with them. 

Now this is a woman who I thought hated kids cause she never let anyone go into her house.  What still boggles me is how they knew I was even home, not to mention, home alone.  They weren't even home at the time when I was outside playing so how could they possibly know?  I really believe that I had someone or something watching over me that day.   

Ok well, goodnight everyone Smiley

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SS..........I love your stories! I'm sure that you have heard of, if not read the poem, FOOTPRINTS. Whenever things in life get me down, I think of that poem and then hold faith that I will get thru the tough time.
I thought that your story about the guardian angel was awesome.
I don't know how many guardian angels we are supposed to have in our lifetime, but I had an encounter with one of mine a few years ago.
This encounter occurred in the early summer of 1997. I was living in this small town for over 12 years and could easily recognize the faces of all the locals in the area. At this time, I was working as a floral clerk at a big grocery store.
This particular day, I was at work...I was really feeling the burdens of my life that were dragging me waaaaaaaay down. My life seemed hopeless. I hated myself for the mess I had gotten myself into with respect to a bad marriage, my 2 kids were paying a huge price for it...there was huge domestic abuse problems including his drug and alcohol use....I was shut out from the world, from my family..from life....from everything...all because of this person I was married too....I was having to go to work with covered up bruises, lumps and bumps...and every penny that I made at my part time job, went into his pocket......'or else'. God, life was a living hell then...and this day, I was really feeling it.
Do you have any idea how much I prayed at that time for release from this hell? Holy!!! I think that I spent every second of my free mind time to praying for some help......mainly, to get me and my kids away from this maniac. Day and night...night and day....and in my sleep....I prayed.
It's all very strange in many ways, because also at this time, there were other things in my life that were starting to change...things were happening in a positive way that I could never have made happen....I was doing things and making changes for myself and my kids for the future, that I could never have mustered up the courage to do before...there were just so many things that were changing...and too many times I would say to someone: I don't know why I am doing this..but here I am.......or,  'It feels like someone is leading me by the hand'......
This day at work, I was outside on the front sidewalk area of this store, working with all the plants, flowers and other floral product out there. I would generally keep a good eye on people who were in my little area there...in case someone needed help, etc......I was doing something (can't remember what) and suddenly there was this little old lady standing next to me. I had no idea where she came from....she was just 'there' all of a sudden. I should have seen her walk into this area...there is nothing 'normal' to explain how she was able to get beside me without me noticing. But she managed it.
I heard this sweet, musical like voice say: 'Excuse me....."......and I looked up and there she was. I nearly jumped out of my skin....she startled me. And as I looked up to see who was there...and the second my eyes locked onto her....I was literally overwhelmed in this HUGE feeling of love. I cannot explain to you or anyone, the immense love that surrounded this person...the love that poured out from her...........AND......she sparkled. Not actual sparkles.....but, just an inside/outside sparkle. She glowed with this golden sparkle....like she had sunshine beaming out of her. Absolute beauty radiated from her...and her eyes, I couldn't believe her eyes...the prettiest blue eyes I have ever seen....and a color of blue that I don't recall ever seeing before....almost a silver, sparkly blue....She was petite....her voice like music....I know now, that she was not earthly..I didn't know it at the time...but it didn't take me long afterwards to get it figured out. I wasn't expecting any visit from guardian angels or anything or anyone. All I had been doing was crying and praying to God to help get me and my kids to safety.
At that first moment I looked at this lady, I was so overwhelmed with all that she radiated...it was only her and myself there.....strange coincidence actually, because this was at the height of plant bedding season. It was normally packed with people in there.
I just stared into her eyes.....then she continued to speak...her whole face was lit with love and joy and peace the entire time she spoke to me....this was just so unreal. She put her hand onto my arm as she started to speak....I will never forget what she said to me: "I just had to come to tell you that you are so beautiful. You are such a beautiful woman...you look like a barbie doll. Is everything ok with you dear? Is your life well? Are you happy?  I know you must have children...and let me tell you that they love you more than anything in their lives...And your husband? Does he love you?  Let me tell you not to worry dear because everything is going to work out for you. You will see...everything is going to be fine. You may not be happy now but you will be very happy soon. I just had to come over and tell you this. They say that when you say something nice to someone, that something even better comes to you...and so I came to you to tell you this"
Just let me tell you....she never stopped talking....I managed to get a few words in here and there, but, she just held my eye contact and kept talking.....The words that I did speak to her were lies...all lies....and I had this horrible feeling as I was telling her them...almost like she knew. And that I was lying to someone in the same light as Jesus himself....it was an awful guilty feeling. I told her that my life was great...that I was very happy and that my husband loved me. I guess that is why I was having such a hard time holding the tears back as I spoke these lies....because in reality, my life was a hell....and I was hurting bigtime inside.....and, all that I wanted in life was a happy loving home....and a good, loving man.
All that was going thru my head, was 'who is this lady....why is she talking to me like this..and how does she know so much about my life?'
This lady looked like she could be between the ages of 90 and 100.....she was old....but she wasn't. Does that make any sense? She was clearly and old woman....but she didn't look it...and I just don't know how to explain that!
I was nearly in tears as she spoke.....I was really having a time trying to keep myself from losing control...I don't know if she sensed that her words were really touching me or not..but she just carried on talking in a calm, soft and, musical voice.
I was just completely in shock over this.
As she was saying her final sentence to me, I turned my eyes downward and looked away from her....I was nearly crying and I just couldn't let that happen....especially in front of this lady who seemed so darn sweet, pure, sincere, godly, angelic.....all of it.
Not even a few seconds passed and I looked back up at her....but she wasn't there. My eyes popped. Now come on....I know she was just there and I know she didn't walk away...she couldn't have because I would have seen that.....even heard her footsteps.....so what kind of trick was my brain playing on me. I ran over to the main store doors and looked around...I saw her nowhere...I ran into to the customer service counter which was right at the door....looked in all directions...she was nowhere to be seen. I asked the girl at the counter if she had seen this person....no she hadn't.
What the heck?
I literally ran back out the doors and to each end of the sidewalk....she was nowhere...I scanned the entire parking lot...she was nowhere.
geeze...I thought that I was losing my mind....but I know she was there...that she had talked to me....and I could still feel the incredible impact that her words and her 'appearance' had on me.
How did she know all this personal stuff about me? Just how did she know? I had never seen her before in my life....this was too strange for me. I thought about this entire incident for the rest of that day....by the time I went home after work, I had resigned myself to the fact that she must have been an angel....
Nope....in this little town, I had never seen her before. But you know what? I did see her one more time....I guess it was nearly 2, maybe 3 weeks later.
It was Father's Day....that now 'ex' had come home drunk and wanted to go out for dinner to his favourite restaraunt. He wouldn't allow the girls to come with us....didn't matter to him that it was father's day and that they wanted to come too...as usual, it was his way OR  his way...
For one thing, I didn't want to go out with him in the condition that he was in...I was used to him being this way and I had learned quickly in our life together, that going into public with him while he was like this, was going to be an excruitiatingly humiliating experience.....because not only was he drunk, he was also being obnoxious, aggressive...and well, everything else that goes with it. I had no choice to go out with him that day...it was either go on my own 2 feet or go with him his way...and I knew that I didn't want that. All  could do the whole time, was to pray, yes pray, the entire time, that we could get thru this whole thing quickly and with the least amount of humilation etc as possible.
We get into this 'favourite' restaraunt of his.....he orders more booze....saki of all things, one of the worst booze related drinks for him to tolerate....and before you know it, he is creating awful scenes with me in this place.
Thankfully, for me....there was no one else in the place to eat at that time....no one else to hear him...no one else to see.....no one else to see what I was feeling, going thru.....how he was treating me.....ya right...so I thought. I got up to go use the washroom at one point.....and wouldn't you know it...there was someone else in the place....2 little old ladies sitting in a booth, only 2 spots away from us. Why I never saw them before, I do not know.....there hadn't even been a server attend their table. As I begin to walk past this table, this one little lady looks up at me....with a painfilled look in her eyes....and she just looked into my eyes as I walked by...never said a word to me....just let me walk by.....and it was this same lady that I was approached by at work only a few weeks earlier.
She had seen it and heard it all.....no more lies for me....and strangely enough....I knew that she already knew anyway.....I was only fooling myself back then.
I never saw her again tho....and things changed on a more dramatic note after that.....changing in very big ways.....within 6 months of that time, my kids and I were on our way to starting a new life...and a host of other great changes underway. Unbelieveable.
I still don't know what the purpose of her second visit to me was.....I do think that maybe she just wanted me to know that she knew all along that my life wasn't as I had portrayed it to her......that I didn't need to pretend anymore....and that she was there to help me get thru this and into safety.
And that is my experience with an angel!! I wish I could explain to you all how she looked, how she sounded, what she radiated.....but it is all just too unimaginable to the human mind to describe.....literally.
I know, she was not from this world.
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Reply #14 - Jun 29th, 2005 at 11:31am
 
What a wonderful experience mystic. It makes me wonder how many times this happens to others and we don't recognize it as a being from Spirit.

So happy you got out of the abusive marriage. Sometimes it's so hard to leave. I didn't. But he died in 1987 and I was finally free and everything since then led to the point where I am now.

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