Ryan b  wrote:

to continue the board however im intrigued in a couple of your points sapphire...

you said people in hell don't have souls...isn't this the very essence of us good or bad?

also in heaven we are not 100% immortal you claimed. I thought we were? and if we are not, can our soul, mind, thoughts, space, conciousness just be wiped so we no longer exsist anymore?? how is this possible?

Cheers Ryan
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Hi you said that someone pulled a gun on you while out of body.Why did you try to devend yourself.In my experience the spirit cannot be killed.You also said,that in the afterlife,we are have human and hafe spirit.All the the people that I have seen are solid,so where do you get this hafe and hafe.Where do you live.I would like to talk to you man to man or woman.maybe by email.There are a lot of things you say that I dont understand,George

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Can the spirit of a loved one,who has passed over come back and  pull the spirit from are bodies,and take us to the heavenly realms and show us everything about the life afterdeath,as Katie logan said happened to her.Katie said she was pulled from her body by her brother,and taken to the heavenly realms,and shown all there is to know about the afterlife.The name of the book is the birth called death.anybody here ever read the book.George

Hi Roger-

No, I think that this is actually right on topic, or it canbe. What we are seeing in this thread is Sapphire, obviously coming from a shamanic viewpoint where she gets into the nitty gritty, Bruce's approaches where we are to go out and prospect for souls in need of help, and the past life hypnoanalytic work perspective. They all do the same thing in the same way, but there's usually so much fluff going on that the mechanics are hidden.

Let's start with shamanism. "Real shamans" don't use drugs, but most of the rest of us who do shamanic work have used something from time to time inorder to reach a suitable depth of trance. (In the 1960 era, when I learned how to do this stuff I was a hippie, and I most certainly inhaled.) Those who don't use drugs, my wife, for example, use a mind set that focuses their awareness into one of the parallel universes in which they are interested. For our universe, we have a total of 5 parallel 3-space universes (think pentacle), all of which overlap and share our dimensional system, and which collectively form a 7-space reality. This comes from dimensionally analytic topology, which is where I play. Drug users have to have a mind set also, or they get the famous "bad LSD trip - I went to hell" experience. Sapphire, from what she writes, is a natural shaman who needs only to focus on the astral, and she can exclude the everyday clutter and go there. (I suspect that Marilyn and Alysia have tis ability as well, and there are several others on the site who show it, but haven't yet gotten it tamed.)

Now look at Bruce's approach. He uses techniques similar to kundalini yoga to draw energy in, focus it, then use it to reach an altered relationship with the everyday world in which the mind is more or less free to look into the astral. His CDs give the methods in detail (and his autograph!) if you're curious. These ideas have been around for millennia, as tribal dances that pant the dancer into trance, as bhastrika pranayama (now used in place of LSD by Groff and others), as formal yoga methods, and as slow breathing methods, all of which aim at withdrawal of awareness from the everyday world into the trance state so that it can be focussed into the astral.

Hypnosis is essentially a technique of telling people to stop fooling about with their thinking, and to relax away their attachments to the everyday world. In fact, that's exactly what I tell people. Then it's a matter of telling them to either go to the astral, if they know where it is, or to go to a past life, die, go to the astral, and then stay there and do whatever we need to work on.

Bringing all this together, the key ingredients are first to either use will power and a simple mind set, run energy or induce relaxation, so as to alter the focus of the mind so that it no longer is looking into the everyday world. Then for soul retrievals, we go into the mental and lower astral to look for people who are stuck. For shamanic work we go into mental, lower or upper astral, and get in contact with whatever there is that needs to be done. For entity removal, we call the entity to focus on the everyday space while the host is in an astrally aware state, so that we can argue and do therapy that allows the entity to go into the Light. For past life work we send the patient into the astral to deal with the souls of others, to get in touch with loved ones, or to othewise make peace with fragments of the personality that are out of adjustment.

All of these are the same, with the exception of the specific technique used to alter focus. What I have learned, however, is that the most dangerous approach is to use artificial  methods, because they are hard to control. In principle,it should be possible to bulld an artificial "container" that a soul could inhabit to communicate with us, making spirit world contacts available to everyone, but that remains to be seen.

The specific reason that I like Sapphire's approach here is that she brings the freshness of immediate personal experiences, with an enthusiasm that is rare. Aside from that, you can more or less equate what she's saying with Bruce's books, Michael Newton's studies, Weiss' work etc. The only note I'd add here is that not everyone uses intermediaries, like Bruce's helpers or Weiss' heavenly autocrats. Since ultimately everything is God, all these are is God-fragments that are personified for their work. 

Actually, you probably already knew all this, but just never looked at it in quite this way, eh?

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Hi, again, dave_a_mbs,

Thank you very much indeed for your in depth reply. I always find your views very interesting indeed.

I suppose I am one of the lucky ones in that, not having any pressures in life, I am a totally relaxed and laid-back guy, have never taken drugs (other than precribed medical) and have a very strong willpower.

To Sapphire, is there a link to the Merlin`s web site you mention, please?

best wishes to all, roger