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mystic_dreamer Ex Member	Re: Astral Projections to see after life..... Reply #30 - Jun 22^nd, 2005 at 6:48pm Celtic Prince......I am not spouting Christian mush as you call it. I don't need you to be so rude to me...you are just proving that once a Christain standpoint comes up. evil is right there to attack it. Have a good day there Prince...
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Reply #31 - Jun 22^nd, 2005 at 7:09pm

and one more thing Celtic Prince.....evangelized?? Condemned??? I am merely commenting on another posting in the topic....just as everyone else does here. If you can't handle that, don't climb down my back. Maybe you are the one who needs to go about and figure out what this board is all about...because there are many people here who do believe in God....maybe you don't...that it your choice in life to make. I am not trying to preach to anyone....it's my opinion, my belief in which I can post here....if you are looking for a site in which caters to evilness only, I think you are at the wrong place here.

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mystic_dreamer Ex Member	Re: Astral Projections to see after life..... Reply #32 - Jun 22^nd, 2005 at 7:35pm .....................AND another thing?? You say that I cannot talk about the writtings of the Bible on this board?? I suggest that you check out the post on : WAS JESUS REAL.................and you dare tell me that I can't talk about faith here?? whatever....
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Reply #33 - Jun 22^nd, 2005 at 7:55pm

Just a gentle reminder here.

I think some of the conversation here is descending into fear and anger. We can lift ourselves out of that if we allow ourselves to take a step back here.

Sapphire is kindly explaining his/her (?) personal experiences to us on this board and answering questions with humor and sincerity. It would be interesting to me and to others to hear the full expression of his/her views without this thread falling into a debate over Jesus/Satan/good/evil.

We are not here to judge each other but to learn from each other. Perhaps we can learn something new from someone who presents ideas different from our own. Take what is useful to you and leave the rest.

It is not necessary to accuse or to be afraid here. It is an open forum and should be open to the new and unusual ideas among us.

much love to you all, blink

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Reply #34 - Jun 23^rd, 2005 at 12:24am

Ok Blink....the words that I wrote were to point out descrepancies between what sapphire wrote...and between what is clearly written in the Bible. These are my beliefs...appearently not shared by many else here....I thought differently. Appearently what I have to say is not particularly welcome here...I have definitely found the wrong place to do my learning.
I didn't realize that this was an anti-bible place.....good luck in what you are searching for.
It certainly is strange tho....that everyone here can talk about the Bible and God..... and then I bring up the subject and suddenly it is all a bad thing.
That's ok...because it has made me realize that this is not the place to be....I wasn't attempting to come across as good vrs evil.....just pointing some things out. Appearently my words touched a few nerves.
I want to learn more about God....Heaven and what the afterlife has for me when I get there...I don't need to be condemned here for what I believe in because the belief system here is way different.
I'm not up to argue my point....nor, attempt to defend myself and what I believe in. Where there is true love and godliness, there is no need to defend oneself.
Here, it is easy enough for all to believe there is a God....Heaven and Hell....well, if you don't hold true what the Bible says, then how do you believe these other things? It is the Bible where we learned about God and all.....why is it so hard to believe in all else the Bible speaks of? Which includes speaking with spirits? Communicating with demons?
Hmmmm, Christians wouldn't treat someone badly for voicing their beliefs on their forum as this Celtic Prince has done....and Sapphire has every right to speak his/her mind here and have the points heard.......voicing his/her belief....which is what I had done in return. And yes it has gotten scarey, for me at least, because I thought that I had entered into a place where it was safe, good and not with any satanic type stuff going on. And again....that is my opinion.
And yes, I do think that this is not the place for me....and so now I will find another place in which to do my learning. Good luck to you and with what you are looking for. Oh, sorry for ruining this thread as you pointed out......

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Reply #35 - Jun 23^rd, 2005 at 5:27am

Dear Mystic,

I am sorry if it appears that I or others condemn your beliefs. That is really not the case, at least for me. Have you read any of Bruce Moen's books? If you do you will see that some of Sapphire's ideas do resonate with his. Perhaps not all of them, but Sapphire is speaking from his/her own experiences.

Your experiences will be just as interesting and valid to all of us if you do not lose heart here. There is some occasional bluntness here, but that is the "style" these days, isn't it?

We could all elevate our tone and be kinder, each one of us, couldn't we??

I don't take everything that someone says here for my truth here and neither should you, but when you remain for a while and do your own reading and investigating you eventually find patterns of ideas which echo each other and this can enrich your truth and open your mind to amazing possibilities.

much love, blink

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Reply #36 - Jun 23^rd, 2005 at 11:48am

Dear Sapphire-
I was a bit put off by your initial post (mea culpa!) but after reading a bit more I like you immensely. Most of the people on this board are students of Bruce Moen's writings and methods, either as their first experience, or as a later discovery after they discovered the spiritual world. Some are equally fearless in their work in the lower astral wher they pry loose stuck souls and send them off the meet God.

We also have a few whose beliefs are more rigid, mostly due to lack of direct experience. New souls need rigid beliefs as an anchor while they explore the vast ocean of spiritual awareness. Those of us who are uncertain tend to be frightened and angry when our beliefs are questioned - even me, sometimes (mea maxima culpa). Those of us who presently need a rigid view will loosen up as experience provides insight, and it will become obvious that all religious writings, by ancient Egyptians, Hindu rishis, Buddhist monks, Judaic scholars, Christian churchmen, Islamic mullahs or by lesser known saintly people such as Sapphire, Bruce, Alysia and so many more here and elsewhere, all of these writings are inspired by God. However, their value may not be obvious to those who do not have "ears to hear". The ongoing squabble is perhaps of this nature.

As our psychic hearing becomes more acute, we all realize that everything we initially believed is true, but there is so much more that it seems trivial to hang onto a single point of this or that church doctrine and lose the overall knowledge of God that was initially intended. For the Bible, the initial two hundred years spanning the time between Jesus lived and the Gospels etc were formally written down, followed by Emperor Constantine's editing and exclusion of many books, two thousand years of translation by people with imperfect understanding, and our own socially biased interpretations have done little to make matters clear. It's all true, but it is rarely obvious.

In my clinical practice I work with the dead on a daily basis, untangling karmic problems. I think it was Leviticus who said, "Come let us reason together. Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow." You provide the same insight from a fascinating perspective that is uniquely your own. I am quite interested in what you have to say, and would be very happy to buy your book. I think you bring a breath of freshness and insight that is new here, and yet as ancient as the cosmos.
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Reply #37 - Jun 23^rd, 2005 at 1:39pm

Oh dear....I'm starting to get just a little concerned here. You know, I haven't been on this board for very long...and when I discovered it, I was searching for answers to various experiences I was having. I have met some really nice people here....and many things were starting to make sense to me...but now, things are starting to get scarey. I do have a Christian background and I do know enough of what the Bible teaches to give me some background sense. However....I feel a very real need to say a few things on this topic started by Sapphire.....and please, no offense Sapphire! Your beliefs and views are just as important to you as anyone else's!
1: The Bible makes it very clear that all it's recordings of events, happened here on Earth, not elsewhere in the universe.
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I do have respect of your beliefs, what Bible said they are all correct. But sorry to tell you the truth, that it did not happen on earth.

I will give you a very clear exmaple: Ask any one that any one go to the red sea now and divide the ocean in half. Do you think any one can do it?

Because Earth has gravity and air, so these are not possible to perform on earh, think about it.

I am not asking you to believe it. But I know for fact it did happen on other part of universe.

I am going to give you a severve example that " If " I am saying " If " there is one day end of earth. Please do not think that is not possible. (If all the Nukies exploded at the same time, within 3 months, that will be end of Earth.) Then all the gods/ goddesses and Saint and Nuns will come down earth to rescue souls as many as possible.

And it is important that you need to have your own religion becuase that is where your soul will go. and in the time of Emergency, your gods will see you easily.

All souls that are saved their memories will remain, they are still going to think Bible happened on earth. But the Earth will not be there any more. Just an example.

But you can believe whatever you want, I don't worsh Santan, by the way.

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Right at the beginning of Genisis, it states that God created the heavens and the earth....all done in a week. The Sabbath day was the final day and He rested.
2: The Bible is specific in what it talks about, as in Jerusalem, Babylon, and Bethleham......it talks about the Mount of Olives...it specifically names places....these places are on earth here, not elsewhere in the universe.
3: One of the 10 Commandments specifically warns: Thou shalt not worship no other God(s) other than Him
4: The Bible tells us in many chapters that all God wants from us in Love for Him.....this is not a testing ground! God will forgive anything wrongdoing, sin, or otherwise at the drop of a pin! All you need to do is ask for forgiveness!! And you will be forgiven! You will not be held accountable in the end if you have repented....just ask Jesus for forgiveness. It's that easy. Yes, there is the Book of Life and we will be judged on judgement day....however, need not worry if you have Jesus Christ in your life and have taken Him as your Saviour. YOU WILL BE FORGIVEN AND GIVEN YOUR PLACE IN HEAVEN......this is not a test! Yes!! We are tested, every single minute of every single day....the test is coming from Satan...and in fact, it is not a test, it is just Satan trying to deceive us and take away our loving relationship with God. God wants us to be pure and loving....Satan tries to wreck that........if our faith in God is strong, we will survive those tests and come out stronger.
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You understand everything by the book and only the book, good for you.

You have strong faith in Bible, which is very important. I have never said, Bible is not real. Just it did not happen on Earth.

I am able to leave human body, that is why I can see more clearly.

When you reach Heaven, you will be semi-Immortal but still not 100% Immortal.

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There is a battle going on between God and Satan....and there has been for a very long time! Don't forget, Satan was God's top Angel at one time until Satan got greedy and tried to take over...and then he was thrust out of Heaven and hence, the battle began. And the Bible clearly states all this.
The Bible also clearly states the tools and tricks used by Satan to try to turn us away from God...and we are supposed to be on our guard..be watchful and not fall for the tricks.
The Bible also speaks clearly on dabbling with satanic forces.
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Just to be clear, I am not Satan, Satan does not save souls. If you would know how many souls that I have saved all all the glories deeds I had done, you will not write so, but you are forgiven, because you can not see other sides of universe.

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You know....the bottom line is that the Bible speaks very clearly on what Heaven is like....and that we each have our place there, made specifically for each of us. We are told

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And I am going to give you one more, a very, very clear example: Bibile also said some of the names in the Bible lived 800 more years.

And you still think it happened on earth. No, it did not.

And you still don't get it. It is fine with me.

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Reply #38 - Jun 23^rd, 2005 at 1:55pm

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Dear Mystic Dreamer ~

If you have personal experiences to share with us, by all means, please do so. But you are stating your religious beliefs, which is NOT the purpose of this board. You are also condemning those who don't share your beliefs. Please stop. We are not here to be evangelized by you. If we want to hear the Christian mush you are spouting, we can find it in any church on any corner. If we want to attend a Christian church or a Bible study, we can easily find them for ourselves.

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Well said, thank you.

I started to worry that I might have to bring the entire Bible just to communicate with Mythic Dreamer, no offense. Ha, Ha.

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Reply #39 - Jun 23^rd, 2005 at 2:19pm

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and one more thing Celtic Prince.....evangelized?? Condemned??? I am merely commenting on another posting in the topic....just as everyone else does here. If you can't handle that, don't climb down my back. Maybe you are the one who needs to go about and figure out what this board is all about...because there are many people here who do believe in God....maybe you don't...that it your choice in life to make. I am not trying to preach to anyone....it's my opinion, my belief in which I can post here....if you are looking for a site in which caters to evilness only, I think you are at the wrong place here.

Hey, Mystic Dreamer,

I hope you are still reading this forum.

Think of this forum is a place to exchange ideas, no one said that you have to believe one or another.

You sound a little angry, it is not necessary. We are all friends and we do love each other in a certain of way, by the judging of your writings you do express a sincrely love for the "Bible" I admire great deal about that.

Do not disappear on the face of earth. It is really unnecessary. I tell you my own experince, I am almost a supper man, that this forum actully have very nice people here. I do writings on other forums, they would attack me to a point, that I would lose my temper, too. But think of the good deeds you are doing and potentially, some human will be converted and to be saved.

That is what you should focus at.

So, Smile. My frined, it is no big deal.

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Reply #40 - Jun 23^rd, 2005 at 2:50pm

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Dear Mystic,

I am sorry if it appears that I or others condemn your beliefs. That is really not the case, at least for me. Have you read any of Bruce Moen's books? If you do you will see that some of Sapphire's ideas do resonate with his. Perhaps not all of them, but Sapphire is speaking from his/her own experiences.

Your experiences will be just as interesting and valid to all of us if you do not lose heart here. There is some occasional bluntness here, but that is the "style" these days, isn't it?

We could all elevate our tone and be kinder, each one of us, couldn't we??

I don't take everything that someone says here for my truth here and neither should you, but when you remain for a while and do your own reading and investigating you eventually find patterns of ideas which echo each other and this can enrich your truth and open your mind to amazing possibilities.

much love, blink

All of Blink's postings sounds like voices from an Angel. Are you sure you are not a "God" yourself? Cheesy

I will tell everyone a very interesting story, and it is real.

One time I was out of my human body, I was thinking "How come I have never seen Angels? Where are they? And how could they appear with wings?" (Everytime, I am out of human body, I am able to think and act like in real life.)

I love playing with my soul, because I want to know what can I do or what type of tricks or magics that I would be able to perform?

I wanted to appear with wings, I tried everything but with no success. Then I think maybe it is bulit from the shoulder blades. So, I hit my arms backward torward the shoulder blades.

And the magic happened, two big beautiful white wings exploded on my back. See, I know I am able to do that, too. I could assure you that I am not Satan, LOL. I was thrilled. (You think I am lying, I am not.)

But another problems did appear that how to put them back to hands? Ha, Ha, it took me a while to put them back, too.

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Reply #41 - Jun 23^rd, 2005 at 4:32pm

Hey everyone.

I don't follow the bible, from teachings at school i have a very basic understanding but thats all. When i think of the afterlife i think of it as another world just like earth, everyone is welcome, theres no gates, no your've done bad your not coming in. This is just my view, i would like to think of it as just a place we can all go over there. I can meet up with my grandad and enjoy the most beautiful days and continue in my spiritual growth.

I haven't read this thread for a while and from an outsiders view (no beliefs in a heaven and hell) i'll tell you the feelings i got from this board.

although i don't follow your beliefs sapphire i do enjoy reading them and what you have to say and find it truly interesting to hear another persons beliefs. When i was reading Mystic_dreamers views i did not feel any anger coming from her...why this kicked off a bit i do not know. As for a place to share views i think this is what she did, whether we agree or not is our choice.

I was confused by celtic prince's post. I take ti your not christian? but what mystic_dreamer did stating her religious beliefs is what sapphrie is doing as well...i'm confused why this upset you. I hope we can all move on, we all have a right here and i don't think it was abused...

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to continue the board however im intrigued in a couple of your points sapphire...

you said people in hell don't have souls...isn't this the very essence of us good or bad?

also in heaven we are not 100% immortal you claimed. I thought we were? and if we are not, can our soul, mind, thoughts, space, conciousness just be wiped so we no longer exsist anymore?? how is this possible?

Cheers Ryan

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mystic_dreamer Ex Member	Re: Astral Projections to see after life..... Reply #42 - Jun 23^rd, 2005 at 4:47pm Ryan B..............THANK YOU soooooo much for your input on this. I feel a whole lot better now knowing that I wasn't completely out of line here.
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Reply #43 - Jun 23^rd, 2005 at 6:39pm

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I wanted to appear with wings, I tried everything but with no success. Then I think maybe it is bulit from the shoulder blades. So, I hit my arms backward torward the shoulder blades.

And the magic happened, two big beautiful white wings exploded on my back. See, I know I am able to do that, too. I could assure you that I am not Satan, LOL. I was thrilled. (You think I am lying, I am not.)

But another problems did appear that how to put them back to hands? Ha, Ha, it took me a while to put them back, too.
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Oh, Sapphire, how funny you are! You don't have to lose your arms when your wings appear!

All of us should know that our wings are there for us whenever we think of them.

Just wrap them around yourselves whenever you need them to comfort you...they are so large they will completely cover you and cradle you in their softness...or let them take you to the places you dream of....

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Reply #44 - Jun 25^th, 2005 at 11:20am

dave_a_mbs wrote:

Dear Sapphire-
I was a bit put off by your initial post (mea culpa!) but after reading a bit more I like you immensely. Most of the people on this board are students of Bruce Moen's writings and methods, either as their first experience, or as a later discovery after they discovered the spiritual world. Some are equally fearless in their work in the lower astral wher they pry loose stuck souls and send them off the meet God.

We also have a few whose beliefs are more rigid, mostly due to lack of direct experience. New souls need rigid beliefs as an anchor while they explore the vast ocean of spiritual awareness. Those of us who are uncertain tend to be frightened and angry when our beliefs are questioned - even me, sometimes (mea maxima culpa). Those of us who presently need a rigid view will loosen up as experience provides insight, and it will become obvious that all religious writings, by ancient Egyptians, Hindu rishis, Buddhist monks, Judaic scholars, Christian churchmen, Islamic mullahs or by lesser known saintly people such as Sapphire, Bruce, Alysia and so many more here and elsewhere, all of these writings are inspired by God.
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I must say it is such a joy to read dave_a_mbs posting, it is humorous, generous, and feel like from it is from the hand of the "William Shakespeare".

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However, their value may not be obvious to those who do not have "ears to hear". The ongoing squabble is perhaps of this nature.

As our psychic hearing becomes more acute, we all realize that everything we initially believed is true, but there is so much more that it seems trivial to hang onto a single point of this or that church doctrine and lose the overall knowledge of God that was initially intended. For the Bible, the initial two hundred years spanning the time between Jesus lived and the Gospels etc were formally written down, followed by Emperor Constantine's editing and exclusion of many books, two thousand years of translation by people with imperfect understanding, and our own socially biased interpretations have done little to make matters clear. It's all true, but it is rarely obvious.

In my clinical practice I work with the dead on a daily basis, untangling karmic problems.
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I am very curious, what line of job is this? And can you share your point of view from your own experiences from working with the dead? Anything unusaul happened with the dead and have you ever seen spirits or ghosts?

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I think it was Leviticus who said, "Come let us reason together. Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow." You provide the same insight from a fascinating perspective that is uniquely your own. I am quite interested in what you have to say, and would be very happy to buy your book. I think you bring a breath of freshness and insight that is new here, and yet as ancient as the cosmos.
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I'd very seldem seen a masterpiece like this posting.

And there are lots of great writers here, too. I am blessed to meet everyone here. ("When" or "if " I have a book will let you know.)

Sorry for cutting everyone's quotes, the reason is I find it is easiler to reply to a specific question or words.

And Dave could be the only one or shall I say I am the only one has to live with a spell check? LOL.

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