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Reply #15 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 12:36am

let me try to rephrase your question Raj, it's not clear:

it appears you are saying because Saphire states she is Catholic, her interpretation of her obe experiences is bound to be suspect as to whether it can be termed insightful.

or are you saying that ALL obes are suspect and not insightful or of use to communicate to the masses, due to that they are all generated by our particular belief system in place?

yes, it is an unfair question. lol.

we will all see what we want to see, scientist and magician alike. our obes are tailor made for the experiencer in that way; still, we are probably arriving at another question now, about what constitutes authentic experience termed "real or insightful", of use to others for instance to give forth or share, which I think is Saphires intention here.

simplicity is desirable when communicating to the masses; if u get too complicated and intellectual you lose people's interest. Saphire has my interest...here you have a Catholic that goes obe....think about it. Catholic and obe are like total opposite concepts. read between the lines and you find a bright and shining light we have attracted here. not only that, she actually has a sense of humor as well as some afterlife knowledge.

btw, Saphire, I love this expression: Quote: "Plus, some of them died miserablely, they might not look good. Well, you get the idea."
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this is a perfect description of certain astral levels, and the ability of spirit to take a form due to what they think they should look like. if a spirit thinks it is ugly, well then, there is demonstration of a self fulfilling prophecy. yes there are some ugly dudes & dudettes out there floating around, but guess what? Saphire has immortality and knows it and is not afraid of ugliness up in your face. she is working her stuff out there, give her some credit. it's darn hard to give yourself away around here.

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Reply #16 - Jun 18^th, 2005 at 1:09pm

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Sapphire: What is your native language ? You are simplifyng things a bit much however, or to quote the kid from Sixth Sense "You see what you want to see". You are a Catholic so you see your mental image of god. Also, OBEs are more physical phenomena vs. a mental / psychic / telepathic phenomena = there may not be a shred of insight into the afterlife from just an OBE. Am I being fair with these qualifications, group ?

(If I want to appear in person, I might as well go to the church, instead of doing posting here. I have no intention poking other people's privacies. Certainly I would like to remain mine.)

To be clear, OBE is different from Astral Projections.

OBE is more of an earthly experience, which means a human's soul is able to get out of the body, but only on earthy surroundings. For example: Your soul is still in your bedroom or you would be able to float around the neighborhood. Or to a nearby town.

But with "Astral Projections" that you will be able get out further, to be out of space and other galaxies other than human. This is the difference.

But what I was referring is "Astral Projection". That my soul is able to get out to the space and very often to kingdom of gods.

It is not “six sense” either.

There is a link, you can read, this will help you a lot to understand more about Astral Projections:

http://saltcube.com/out-of-body/chat-forum/viewTopic.jsp?t=1328

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Reply #17 - Jun 18^th, 2005 at 1:25pm

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let me try to rephrase your question Raj, it's not clear:

it appears you are saying because Saphire states she is Catholic, her interpretation of her obe experiences is bound to be suspect as to whether it can be termed insightful.

or are you saying that ALL obes are suspect and not insightful or of use to communicate to the masses, due to that they are all generated by our particular belief system in place?

yes, it is an unfair question. lol.

we will all see what we want to see, scientist and magician alike. our obes are tailor made for the experiencer in that way; still, we are probably arriving at another question now, about what constitutes authentic experience termed "real or insightful", of use to others for instance to give forth or share, which I think is Saphires intention here.

simplicity is desirable when communicating to the masses; if u get too complicated and intellectual you lose people's interest. Saphire has my interest...here you have a Catholic that goes obe....think about it. Catholic and obe are like total opposite concepts. read between the lines and you find a bright and shining light we have attracted here. not only that, she actually has a sense of humor as well as some afterlife knowledge.

btw, Saphire, I love this expression: Quote: "Plus, some of them died miserablely, they might not look good. Well, you get the idea."
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this is a perfect description of certain astral levels, and the ability of spirit to take a form due to what they think they should look like. if a spirit thinks it is ugly, well then, there is demonstration of a self fulfilling prophecy. yes there are some ugly dudes & dudettes out there floating around, but guess what? Saphire has immortality and knows it and is not afraid of ugliness up in your face. she is working her stuff out there, give her some credit. it's darn hard to give yourself away around here.
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Alysia,

You are very kind to me, thank you.

I guess to give viewers more understand about Astral Projection, this is a link also.

I am hesitate to introrduce this link is because I do not think it is really safe about Astral Projections.

I certainly will not recommend to practice this, but it does expain a lot about Astral Projections, but these are not the methods I use. I have my own.

This will show that some human have the ability to make their soul travel out of space. I have friends tried these methods, they said none of these worked for them.

But for reader to get an idea is fine.

http://www.crystalinks.com/astral.html ;

We are getting off topics, LOL. I would answer what I saw in any question you may have and those questions that I have answers.

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Reply #18 - Jun 19^th, 2005 at 9:39pm

Well, instead of having a view that seems intrusive or attacking, I wished you lived in Houston Texas so i could invite you to dinner and pick your brain...lol.

I have a few questions for you, and I hope you can give me an answer or a direction from an objective stance, just the way I am approaching asking these questions....

1. I have a profound problem with reincarnation because I like being JG and I love my family, and another part of just being afraid of death because I want proof of something after (which I am getting now), is it necessary? Some of have said yes, some say no, but can we control that and be who we are or were last in spirit and remain there...OR recall everything about this life if requested?

2. Do people in the Afterlife want to communicate back with people in the physical, because we know there is a vice versa, but why cannot the cycle of secrecy just be broken for the sake of creating the ultimate peace, and do they view the things we do...good and bad?

3. What are the everyday activities there? Can you recreate all the things you love here? The Bible tells us the Afterlife is about praising God all day...but can I recreate my love for basketball and music in my heaven?

4. Can you be a God, Goddess, Angel, etc. and not know it?

5. Is there anything written about what life is like when their is no more actual life....since the Earth cannot be here forever, what happens next, and even before that do we ever know all the things that remain mysteries to the World like creation, etc.?

And if these are to detailed or too much to ask, let me know. You don't even have to answer them or give your insight, but I am very glad you posted because I think Astral Projection wll teach me what I need to know to get to the next level along with all the keys here! If you ever need someone to chat about the Afterlife with, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!! Peace.

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Ryan b Ex Member	Re: Astral Projections to see after life..... Reply #20 - Jun 20^th, 2005 at 8:05am Just wondering what techniques to you use sapphire to go astral. I have had many experiences and when i did have them i had no clear cut way that i entered into them, nothing i can say oh if i do that again i will go astral/obe. Just wondered if you had a particular method. Thanks Ryan
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Reply #21 - Jun 20^th, 2005 at 12:58pm

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Well, instead of having a view that seems intrusive or attacking, I wished you lived in Houston Texas so i could invite you to dinner and pick your brain...lol.
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I am glad you ask me questions, because it is not much fun to talk to myself. LOL.

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I have a few questions for you, and I hope you can give me an answer or a direction from an objective stance, just the way I am approaching asking these questions....

1. I have a profound problem with reincarnation because I like being JG and I love my family, and another part of just being afraid of death because I want proof of something after (which I am getting now), is it necessary? Some of have said yes, some say no, but can we control that and be who we are or were last in spirit and remain there...OR recall everything about this life if requested?
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It difficult to provide proof for human to understand afterlife, because you cannot see it. And you do not see God.

Some people has the ability to see ghosts since they are in very young age. When I was a kid, I saw them all the time, I know they are real. But none of my family was able to see them, and come to think of it. I am grateful that my parents, they did not think I was weird, they just think "I am gifted."

Like some children, they would play with imaginary friends, usually human think they are insane, but I can tell you they are actully seeing some ghosts. Because children they are not fully grown, so the ability to see ghosts has not yet fully removed or shall I say disappeared. But when you are able to do OBE or advance Astral Travels, then I do see gods/goddesses and Saints and also Demons, other weird entities. And able to enter their world, too.

The reason I am fearless is, beause they know who I am and at the very begining I did not know who I was, they could not tell I actully still have a human body on earth, just when I appear there, they just know who I am. I do not mean to be arrogant, but they will call me by my got title and if I appear in "Heaven." They would Kneel whenever they see me. And I am having this ablility for over 15 years. I am used to everything happening there.

Every where in the universe they see gods and goddesses, just not earth. The reason is Earth is like a "Testing ground." where will show your truth scores. That is when you are not supervised by gods, what is the real you?

You do not really have a choice to decide your afterlife. But your afterlife depends on what have you accomplish this human life. Then, your soul will be sent to all different part of worlds. Like "Heaven", "Hell" , "Purgatory", and even there is a world for "Athesist." Or just to be resent back to human and learn again.

When human meet unscheduled death, which means they die not according to plan, they will become Ghosts. And the sad part is, when they were human they were not told what to do when becomming a ghost. So, they linger on earth. This is part of the reasons, I want to remind human. When this happened, you need to ask for help from a god to guide you where to go.

This is the sign, you are out of your human body. And you float instead of walking like a human, and when you try to communicate the human on the ground, they cannot hear you or seeing you. It is a very lonely road, they need to ask for help from the gods. And this is one of the reasons that I stepped out and willing to talk about afterlife. I want to help these ghosts to go wherever they should go and give human knowledge that when this happened to you, what should you do. Don't linger on earth and being miserable, there are other places to go.

I am able to see them afterlife, too. They do remember their lives as human, that is why when some people passed away they will see their passed relatives to welcome them.

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2. Do people in the Afterlife want to communicate back with people in the physical, because we know there is a vice versa, but why cannot the cycle of secrecy just be broken for the sake of creating the ultimate peace, and do they view the things we do...good and bad?
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But there is really not much meaning to keep remembering their human lives, because they are already in seperated worlds.

This is a secret that not much human know, if you really miss someone that much, you can do a prayer before bedtime, that you wish to see them again. They could come to your dream and see you. But I have to remind you, not all of them are able to do it. Because they might have to travel a long way to come to your dream, and they might need to get permissions from gods to travel. But if you really miss them that much ask a god to help you to escort their spirits to see you, again not all wishes would be granted because they are there for reasons, but God is mercy, God is kind. He might grant you the wishes. But if you know for sure they are in Heaven, then they are able to travel easier. But remember, you are in seperated worlds. They have the right not to see you, too. They could started a new life over there already.

The secret cannot be broken is because it gives you a chance to learn and transcend yourself and graduate to better level of worlds. Besides, you might not want to marry the same person forever, do you? Maybe you do, but your spouse might not. A lot of people said, one life is good enough. Or you still can follow each other life after life, if that is both of your wishes. Isn't God grand?

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3. What are the everyday activities there? Can you recreate all the things you love here? The Bible tells us the Afterlife is about praising God all day...but can I recreate my love for basketball and music in my heaven?
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Depends on what level of worlds in the universe. But mostly like humans. The difference is how long they stay there, what type of entertainment they could get and how beautiful the enviorment could be and their body appearances. The higher the level, they are more beautiful and less worries.

They do not praising God all day, but they see God easily.

Yes, there are Baseball in Heaven, and one part of Heaven looks like America. But all nice people and who deserved to be in Heaven, not a fault word there. Beautiufl flowers, and all clean, no dirts.

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4. Can you be a God, Goddess, Angel, etc. and not know it?
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Yes, a lot of them are on earth right now. They do not know who they were. But there is also another way, which is they will be greet by other gods or Heaven when they reach the hour of death and escort them back to where they belong.

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5. Is there anything written about what life is like when their is no more actual life....since the Earth cannot be here forever, what happens next, and even before that do we ever know all the things that remain mysteries to the World like creation, etc.?
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If someday the Earth become unsuitable for human to live. They God will move them to another planet. God is able to creat new planet that is no problem. And there are many dead planets in human galaxy, they are dead because there were beings overly intelligent and destroyed themselves.

This is what I am afraid of too. Sometimes, I wonder why I was born on earth, am I preparing the afterlife for the Earth? I have no answer.

The creation of Universe, the story might bore many people and it is not written clearly. But I do know the story.

But God did created this universe and it is expandable. And it could be done, if God choose to.

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And if these are to detailed or too much to ask, let me know. You don't even have to answer them or give your insight, but I am very glad you posted because I think Astral Projection wll teach me what I need to know to get to the next level along with all the keys here! If you ever need someone to chat about the Afterlife with, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!! Peace.
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Reply #22 - Jun 20^th, 2005 at 1:04pm

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Oh, and one more question, in your experience what are ghosts and why can they be captured on camera or makes themselvs aware at certain times? Thanks.

Ghosts are the humans met unschdeduled deaths.

They are still a form of energy but not strong, that is why some of them can be filmed.

When those ghosts are able to make themselves aware, they are more advance ghosts. Or could be Demons, this subjects varies.

I also would like to emphasize that is very important to have a religion belief. Because that is where you will go afterlife. If you qualify their terms.

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Reply #23 - Jun 20^th, 2005 at 1:16pm

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Just wondering what techniques to you use sapphire to go astral. I have had many experiences and when i did have them i had no clear cut way that i entered into them, nothing i can say oh if i do that again i will go astral/obe. Just wondered if you had a particular method.

Thanks Ryan

My techniques are very easy to make it out of space and other part of universe, but I cannot annouce it on the internet. All of the books on earth, they will not tell you there are dangers when Astral Projects. I do not want to be reponsible for lost souls.

But I am thinking about writting a book about the detailed techniques. Because if you buy the book and decide use the techniques, you are responsible for your own soul.

I was captured many times in the space, but I always able to rescue myself and got out. If I write the book, I will teach you skills, too.

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Reply #25 - Jun 21^st, 2005 at 11:48pm

All i can say is wow all i see is alot of thoughts and theorys here.Are you high sapphire? There is one God and one way to heaven and his name is Jesus Christ. And Jesus is most certin not the same God as bhuddism, or any other religion that is a lie from Satan.
Be carefull saphire for you are messing with Demons.When you dabble in things like stral prjection. I love you as a sister and i care for you as i do all of you> Dont let your fascination in the afterlife BLind you and let other peoples thoerys and imagination give you An idea of what it could be like> read the bible JEsus tells exactly what it will be like and that noone can enter heaven unless he is born again (spiritually) Godbless

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Reply #26 - Jun 22^nd, 2005 at 11:14am

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How do spirits dress in the after life?Are we younger when we pass over?.What happens to men who like woman here on earth?Do spirits eat and drink in the afterlife?

Spirits dress mostly likely are the clothing they had while alive. But depends where you go (Heaven, Hell, etc.) has different clothing. The more advance world you go the more glories clothing you will wear, and it is possible to change clothes.

Most of the world you will go, you will appear younger, but sometimes they may appear in other forms like animals. If their lives were a gifts from God and they fail their test. And in Hell, clothing is quite bad.

Your words: "What happens to men who like woman here on earth" ? Do you mean "Gay"?

Most spirits do eat, not sure about drinks. Because llots of world over there, there is no air like on Earth.

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Reply #27 - Jun 22^nd, 2005 at 11:29am

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All i can say is wow all i see is alot of thoughts and theorys here.Are you high sapphire? There is one God and one way to heaven and his name is Jesus Christ. And Jesus is most certin not the same God as bhuddism, or any other religion that is a lie from Satan.
Be carefull saphire for you are messing with Demons.When you dabble in things like stral prjection. I love you as a sister and i care for you as i do all of you> Dont let your fascination in the afterlife BLind you and let other peoples thoerys and imagination give you An idea of what it could be like> read the bible JEsus tells exactly what it will be like and that noone can enter heaven unless he is born again (spiritually) Godbless

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No offense, brother. I am strictly clean, no drugs. I talked to Jesus many times. And the Virgin Mary, too. If I do not have 100 % confident, I would be committing profanity, like I said. I am a Catholic. But I am above Catholic already. I am able to communicate with the Pope in the Heaven. There is a different Pope over there, I mean not the same person on earth. Because Christian and Chatholic are in the Kingdom of Heaven. They are not in the Kingdom of gods. There is a difference.

Jesus and Virgin Mary, they are gods. But they would travel to Heaven to do teachings.

Please love me as a brother, not a sister.

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Reply #28 - Jun 22^nd, 2005 at 12:33pm

Oh dear....I'm starting to get just a little concerned here. You know, I haven't been on this board for very long...and when I discovered it, I was searching for answers to various experiences I was having. I have met some really nice people here....and many things were starting to make sense to me...but now, things are starting to get scarey. I do have a Christian background and I do know enough of what the Bible teaches to give me some background sense. However....I feel a very real need to say a few things on this topic started by Sapphire.....and please, no offense Sapphire! Your beliefs and views are just as important to you as anyone else's!
1: The Bible makes it very clear that all it's recordings of events, happened here on Earth, not elsewhere in the universe. Right at the beginning of Genisis, it states that God created the heavens and the earth....all done in a week. The Sabbath day was the final day and He rested.
2: The Bible is specific in what it talks about, as in Jerusalem, Babylon, and Bethleham......it talks about the Mount of Olives...it specifically names places....these places are on earth here, not elsewhere in the universe.
3: One of the 10 Commandments specifically warns: Thou shalt not worship no other God(s) other than Him
4: The Bible tells us in many chapters that all God wants from us in Love for Him.....this is not a testing ground! God will forgive anything wrongdoing, sin, or otherwise at the drop of a pin! All you need to do is ask for forgiveness!! And you will be forgiven! You will not be held accountable in the end if you have repented....just ask Jesus for forgiveness. It's that easy. Yes, there is the Book of Life and we will be judged on judgement day....however, need not worry if you have Jesus Christ in your life and have taken Him as your Saviour. YOU WILL BE FORGIVEN AND GIVEN YOUR PLACE IN HEAVEN......this is not a test! Yes!! We are tested, every single minute of every single day....the test is coming from Satan...and in fact, it is not a test, it is just Satan trying to deceive us and take away our loving relationship with God. God wants us to be pure and loving....Satan tries to wreck that........if our faith in God is strong, we will survive those tests and come out stronger.

There is a battle going on between God and Satan....and there has been for a very long time! Don't forget, Satan was God's top Angel at one time until Satan got greedy and tried to take over...and then he was thrust out of Heaven and hence, the battle began. And the Bible clearly states all this.
The Bible also clearly states the tools and tricks used by Satan to try to turn us away from God...and we are supposed to be on our guard..be watchful and not fall for the tricks.
The Bible also speaks clearly on dabbling with satanic forces.
You know....the bottom line is that the Bible speaks very clearly on what Heaven is like....and that we each have our place there, made specifically for each of us. We are told to 'trust' that...and not to guestion it. To guestion, is to not have 'faith'...and when you don't have 'faith', Satan can get into our lives, our hearts. And with Satan in you, you cannont get into Heaven and be with Jesus.
When Jesus was crusified on the cross, He had 3 theives next to him, hanging on other crosses. One theif had a conversation with Jesus and said that he was sorry...said that he wanted to be with Jesus in Heaven.....and it was done. Jesus said to him: From here, you will be with me in Heaven. And it was done. There was no testing issue to be done....all it took was for the theif to ask for forgiveness.
I have always believed that as we live on earth we are learning lessons, to help us become better as we go thru life. But these lessons aren't held against us at death, as long as we have asked for forgiveness from God. He doesn't hold our sins against us if we have asked for forgiveness...and the Bible clearly says this.
The Bible also tells us that God is 'everywhere'.....and that He is the Alpha and the Omega....he is everywhere, at all times. The Bible talks of this.
The Bible and Jesus also tells us how clever and crafty the devil can be in order to get us away from God.
The Angels in Heaven are not us humans who have passed on. The Bible clearly says this! It tells us that Angels are not of human likeness......and that as humans, when we go to Heaven, we have a higher standing to God than even the Angels that He created. God created the Angels to help assist us....they perform on His Command...they are not like us.....nor, can we be like them. God had multitides of Angels.....and they cannot reproduce....There is lot's to be said on Angels in the Bible.
After all this babbling that I have just done...I can't help but to mention something else.....in all the conversations that I have had, I have never seen once, any acknowledgement to the fact, and it is a fact, that Jesus gave His life on the cross so that 'we' may have eternal life. Jesus said: That the only way to Heaven, is thru Him.......and no other way.
The Bible tells us to be aware of anything ungodly. And the Bible also says that those who speak to spirits are in fact speaking with demons. This is forbidden territory to us....God's Command....and to do so anyway, is to disobey God......which is what Satan wants.
This entire topic reminds me of a Biblical story in which Jesus cast out a nasty demon and threw this demon into a pit of squeeling pigs.
I am really sorry Sapphire....and I am afraid for you and for anyone who is falling into this way of belief. This is just not of God. And if you aren't of God, then you are with Satan.
I came to this site looking for answers. I think I have found them. I think that all my experiences and whatnot that I have had over the years, are those from Satan...and in his attempt to get me away from the true way of God. I fully believe that I, and those who have strong experiences, are people that God has really good plans for....something really important....and Satan is trying to wreck these plans. So he tries harder.....and that I think, is why most of us are at this site. Confused and convicted in Satan's way now. And the only way to make sense of it is to have a long talk with God...He will show you the way....

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Reply #29 - Jun 22^nd, 2005 at 1:46pm

Dear Mystic Dreamer ~

If you have personal experiences to share with us, by all means, please do so. But you are stating your religious beliefs, which is NOT the purpose of this board. You are also condemning those who don't share your beliefs. Please stop. We are not here to be evangelized by you. If we want to hear the Christian mush you are spouting, we can find it in any church on any corner. If we want to attend a Christian church or a Bible study, we can easily find them for ourselves.

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