Dear Shawn__rowland2003,
You posed a simple little compound question and it got me to thinking. I finished reading Michael Newton’s, Destiny of Souls about two weeks ago (thanks Alysia and dave) and I’m still trying to integrate it and see where retrievals fit in. So when you asked, “…if a person is reincarnated After death to grow spiritual [ly?] why would they need retrieved [to be retrieved?]…would they not be in another body?” I thought that I would attempt to answer according to my understanding of my most recent read Newton’s, and Weiss, Monroe and Moen’s research with what I’ve been learning/experiencing about my part/purpose in doing retrievals. First, let’s assume that you have this “umugo” individual soul/spirit that was created at the Source/God (the
there-there), in the past, present, and/or possibly future (Earth linear time) to learn/ teach by way of experience (the Plan). Assume also that after an individual soul/spirit was created, they arrived in their true home
there to join with other individual souls/spirits who also wanted/needed to develop further their own uniqueness from their one of its kind perspective to contribute to the totality of the groups understanding and its completeness.
Now what if some highly gutsy individuals choose to do their learning within a very limited environment (Earth-
here) and when they arrive
here they come with no memory of where they came from, why they came
here, where
here is, or even who they are. They forgot that souls/spirits are all connected, came from the same source, and are unique. They forgot what it is like to be where (
there) they are totally accepted, loved, valued, safe, stimulated, and at peace. Of course, they still could access all this memory on the subconscious level but it could take many years or lifetimes
here for the average “Joe”
here to access it or be aware that they have been privy to that memory all along (for example-dreams/retrievals like Oloxio's or mine).
So what could they have come
here to learn? One reason might be that individuals come to learn what it is to experience emotion(s) , unique to this planet, and their resulting behaviors while the soul/spirit is held within the confines of a human body. The incarnated human may unconsciously choose to experience the emotion of jealousy, for example, because they forgot that they are love/ lovable/loved and they fear lose of love because they forgot to remember that you join again
there with those individuals involved in your experience
here. And as a result of their experiencing of this emotion labeled/felt jealously, they might kill over it, be killed over it, choose to ignore it, or quickly rise above the hurt/anger emotions by remembering there is nothing to fear
here or
there because your eternally connected with you love and all other souls/spirits. But as a result of being a soul/spirit in your human vessel, you have learned compassion, forgiveness, and love
here to take back there knowing that you could learn under the extenuating circumstances of an illusion of living on an alien planet with no one to comfort you and still keeping the faith in loving yourself and others. Newton mentioned that one individual he interviewed took many lifetimes and a lot of centuries to work through the single emotion of jealously and its offshoot emotions. I also sensed after reading Newton that new souls coming
here might be especially vulnerable to acting out as a result of experiencing this particular emotion and forgetting where they came from
there while other new souls caught on more quickly. He also mentioned individuals who came from different realities attempting to work on this plane and their difficulties in handling emotions and the residue caused by them.
Also assume or try to imagine, that we did not bring our total spirit/soul here, possibley 10% to 85% depending on the
here challenge(s) we chose. The rest were left back
there or in other assorted
here’s or
there’s? Plus what if they on leaving this place
here, we were emotionally attached to some aspects of the place
here? For example emotionally attached to the feel of jealously, another individual, physical places, physical things like money, drugs, etc., or belief systems thought up by other groups of individuals who also forgot where they came from
there? Wouldn’t it make sense that some of that soul/spirit essence might fracture off and cling to places/situations/emotions that were experienced in
here or left on the way
there? In other words, some of us when we left
here, splintered off and now need to be brought back
there with the help of others both from
here and
there. Choosing to come
here with no conscious memory of our true home
there can be a real "bummer". So wouldn’t it make sense that for the “umungo” spirit/soul to complete its mission of gaining knowledge to contribute to the total group of soul/spirits
there, back home, want to gather up its fragments or help others gather theirs? Cause you gotta’ remember that the part of our “umungo” soul/spirit that is still existing in the
there remembers our purpose and awaits our return because it hasn’t had the experiential learning situation here that we had
here. It needs that gutsy individual earthlings soul/spirit percentage to provide input for the benefit of the group knowledge
there.
And couldn’t it be that another part of this unlimited “umungo” soul/spirit has already chosen to go back
there to return again here, outside or inside our timeline and/or simultaneously, to learn/experience still yet another aspect of this thing called human emotion(s) and its resulting behaviors/beliefs and attachments. Furthermore, might not the smart soul or the ones who weren’t too “blow away” by the experience and have the ability to get in touch with remembering their own truths learned/experienced back
there-- would not have to splinter off and get lost for a while or need to be retrieved by themselves or others when they exit
here. They would get back to their true home
there more intact and ready to rejoin their group of groups which includes individuals who are still incarnating here, done with incarnating
here, newbies incarnating
here, or individuals who never incarnated
here, to plan another adventure
here,
there, or even parts of ourselves that are still living
here?
In answer to your question(s), for me the bottom line is that between all our travels between
here and
there (including other worlds like ours that we’re not yet aware of) back and forth, we grow spiritually. However, the maximum potential spiritual growth lies with what we experience
here because we take it so seriously
. And sometimes parts of the soul/spirit that we bring here gets stuck somewhere between when we leave and needs to be retrieved due to our own attachments and forgetting. As an aside, I also suspect that we grow from experiences of existences on other planes/places that are not like earth or there but are different i.e. places that deal primarily on mental planes as opposed to physical planes like Earth. But my current bias for learning, IMO, is Earth, because after all what better place to learn/experience the love/connection under duress then by learning the adapting, flexibility and growth skills demanded/offered
here? What better place to learn about emotions
and remembering while in the middle of a seemingly life/death/etc. experience with all its perils then the Earth plane. But I sure wouldn’t mind a break.
Let me know if I answered anything of what you were asking? My response to your questions might have helped me to work through some of the things, which I’ve been trying to internalize. T
hanks and gratitude for you questions and Oloxio's retrieval and the book I've been trying to digest.
Much love, Jean
And remember that we are all so unique with only part of the puzzle which will ultimately make us whole in a better way. JK