Dear Ryan,

Your question came at just the right time for me because I had finished Newton’s book about 3 weeks ago and am still trying to digest his theories regarding how we decide what to work on and who to work with when we’re here.  He dedicated a chapter on how our friends, relatives, and other individuals who affect us fit into our lives to facilitate our growth.  One of his assumptions is that we are here learning how to handle emotions and be able to bounce back from the negative consequences of those emotions in quicker and healthier ways.  I try to watch for his personal biases when reading his assessment of a situation but since he is forming his assumptions from interviewing at least 67 individuals while they were hypnotized to ask them specific questions regarding the above, my reading of others, and my personal experiences with past life regressions, I tend to agree with his overview and his clients statements of the in-between life experience.  I also like the way he presented this material in a very matter of fact understandable way.   

So for me to answer how many friends, relatives, and others close to us do we encounter, I’m assuming that 1) reincarnation is a fact and 2) that we do incarnate many times here and 3) that we do return to what he calls the spirit world, and 3) that we come here to work on karmic lessons and 5) that we tend to work with the same core population of individuals-souls/spirits because it is more efficient in trading roles for lessons. According to Newton this core runs from 3 to 1,000 individuals depending on the chosen learning task here and does not include our guides, teachers, elders others we work with on the spirit level who do not incarnate with us but he does include, using his labels, our soul mates, primary soul mates, companion soul mates, affiliated souls, primary cluster of souls, and secondary clusters of souls who still incarnating souls like you and I.  He defines karma as the setting in motion of those conditions on our path that foster learning (I really like that definition because it feels neutral, just cause and effect-like putting my finger in a fire and getting burned as opposed to the good/evil/punishment/morality definitions).

Newton did a chart on Ruth (Destiny of Souls, pg.276) showing how her friends, family, and extended family changed rolls during a 300-year period of incarnations on Earth. He used the categories of souls named above and mentioned how many times this particular individual has been around with her primary soul mate (been mates regularly for about 7,000 years).  As an aside, in a book I had read years ago, a team of reincarnation researchers traveled around the country asking the same group of questions to various audiences and came up with the statistic that the average incarnating individual living in 1980’s had come back to earth about 1,000 times.  Anyhow, It was interesting for me to note on his chart that the roles/relationships changed between the individuals and that the sexes changed also to adapt to the various lessons learned.  Though he did mention that he found that most of his interviewees did tend to favor one sex over for their incarnations about 75% of the time.  Anyhow, back to his example.   Ruth is female in this life and her husband is male but in the 1800’s he was her best male friend, then in the 1700’s, he was her wife and she was his husband.  These role changes continue around the chart with each important individual in her current life including her children, closest friends, extended family, and those she works with.  I also found it interesting that he mentioned that we do not tend to incarnate within the same genetic families because this might limit our learning experiences, but that we come around again working with the same core group of souls but in different families, different parts of the world, different ethnic groups, etc.  Slick Huh???

But getting back to your original question regarding how many different individuals (mums and dads) might the average incarnating individual have for relatives if they counted all of the people they were related to throughout a number of incarnations on earth.  If you take Newton’s research at face value and I tend to agree with him because seems to make sense to me—but then again, I was one of those individuals that eagerly accept the concept of reincarnation because why else would I have been born here in the U.S. with enough to eat while my brother/sister was born in a 3rd world country destined to stave to death by the age of 2? Sorry to ramble off.  Anyhow, there really aren’t that many different individuals because they’re primarily coming from your own group cluster of souls on the non-physical level but switching roles to help you fulfill your mission.  But don’t forget that in your last life, you may have been your wife’s husband or your best friends sister.  Or even chosen to fool around with the gender identity issue.  And as far as them greeting you when you get there, I learned when I did a retrieval that it’s easy to appear as someone familiar to a soul that needs to be greeted or aided.  But if you want to find out more about the past life regression process, check with dave.

Thanks for introducing the thread; it was fun to try to explain to someone else.  I hope that it’s not too confusing because I had to condense it from all his other information in his chapter on Community Dynamics.

Jean  

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Alysia, would you please direct me to any of the transcript, group session where  in your  study ??? you find  Elias EVER expressed this mixture of methaphysical beliefs I.e..Disk members evolves, spirit sending probes, losing itself and finding itself, meeting yourself?  Those are maybe YOUR beliefs YOUR understanding  and doesn't make any difference that someone believe  Elias  material or not, in his material  he is not differently and slightly TWIST, but  very precisely and very clearly 100% oposite, what you expressing. Unless of course maybe you study a different Elias, not the same as I do, and  read hundreds of transcripts for years now, and I  have had objective session with  a different Elias....

Just one of excerpt from the 1427 document which include the subject...

"Elias:
ELIAS: “These are terms that are easier for you to understand, for you think within linear terms. In actuality, it is quite similar to this action, although all of these focuses occur simultaneously, and you have not been reincarnated, for you are new. You have not experienced previously. You have not been before, although you have been always. [session 129, October 27, 1996]

ELIAS: “Remanifestation is not reincarnation. They are entirely different elements, for there is no reincarnation. You also think in terms of sequence, which this also holds no relevance within non-physical terms. Therefore, your questions lead to a direction of asking, (humorously) ‘If I die, I move to an area of confusion and chaos. I await a small time period within this confusion. Great masters and teachers approach me and express truths to me. Then I am knowledgeable, and choose to be born.’ No! You do not move in these terms. You are a new creation. You do not!

ELIAS: “I have expressed to you that you do not reincarnate. Each focus is of itself a new creation, independent within personality. You have not been manifest over and over and over again, but you have been always; for outside of your present recognized reality, there is no time frame as you understand it. Therefore, what was, is. You are then as you are now also. If you are thinking of your individual focus and you are thinking of these air particles, that you are not one entity, you may allow yourself a clearer understanding of the diversity of self. Just as particles do not communicate through time in faster than light speed but know within them, so are you also. Subjectively, you are aware, to a point, of your other focuses. They do not all occupy the same time framework as you, but they all occur now.” [session 147, January 12, 1997]

ELIAS: “Many individuals speak of reincarnational lifetimes. I find this terminology to be inadequate, as all of your focuses are simultaneous. They only appear to not be simultaneous within your identification of linear time frameworks. You understand time within this dimension in a certain type of definition. In actuality, all of your focuses of essence are occurring within this present now. This is all of what you term to be your past focuses, and also future focuses. These are important to your present now, for they are influencing of you within this present now.” [session 174, May 17, 1997]

ELIAS: “Now; this is difficult, to be offering an explanation that you may understand – but we shall attempt, in your physical terms – for it may be confusing to you. For you are one focus of essence, and all of your other lifetimes, as you term them to be, are other focuses of essence, and although they are you, they are also not you. They are independently themselves, creating their own reality and creating their own choices, holding their own family alignments, holding their own free will and personality choice. But as you are all of essence in each individual focus, you are also all of these other focuses. This is the confusing element of essence.

The reason I express this to you is that you may understand that these focuses are not linear. Within your thought process, you have created a linear time framework in this dimension. Therefore, you think of these focuses linearly, one lifetime following another lifetime, and that you – that you identify as you now presently – is participating in each of these lifetimes. This is the belief: that you are born into a focus, you continue through this focus, you die, you are born again, you continue, you die, you are born again, and so the cycle continues. In actuality, ALL of your focuses are occurring NOW. They are not linear. Therefore, in one respect, you ARE all of these focuses as essence. In another respect, you are this focus that you identify as yourself, and all of these other focuses are occurring now also. Therefore, they are each individually themselves


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It is NOT generally speaking because according to Elias -of course by choice- we might decrease or increase the numbers but  the average manifestation in THIS physical dimension is around 300...

quote Dora: Alysia, would you please direct me to any of the transcript, group session where  in your  study  you find  Elias EVER expressed this mixture of methaphysical beliefs I.e..Disk members evolves, spirit sending probes, losing itself and finding itself, meeting yourself?  Those are maybe YOUR beliefs YOUR understanding  and doesn't make any difference that someone believe  Elias  material or not, in his material  he is not differently and slightly TWIST, but  very precisely and very clearly 100% oposite, what you expressing. Unless of course maybe you study a different Elias, not the same as I do, and  read hundreds of transcripts for years now, and I  have had objective session with  a different Elias....
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I have absolutely no problem with anything Elias says and really enjoy them. terribly interested to know if u will share if u have had a personal session with Elias? or this may be asking too much of you. I'm more interested in something you gained by the material in your personal words than to read Elias, but I'm glad u posted the material as there are others here might like it and I found it very beneficial.  especially the part about doing what gives you pleasure versus continuing to do what does not. a freeing concept. sorry, cannot find the page number and my use of the word twist does not seem to agree with your interpretation. Everything I say here is my belief, my understanding, I would hope that others can figure that out for themselves, I would certainly not be an authority on anything here.  the main point I wished to make is what u posted, that I am in agreement with simultaneousness of all lives, yet I understand that for a lot of people they have not established that there is an afterlife, or that life is ongoing, I would like to help people understand death is not the end so I toss a seed or two.  Elias certainly does put a new twist on the idea that linear time only exists within a physical dimension. it serves our purposes to believe in linear time or reincarnation or simultaneous lives, whatever the case may be, it serves our purposes to allow beliefs. and that is something Elias would say. to allow beliefs as this is a belief system world.  personally, I have been losing and finding myself my whole life. it may not be your experience.
you stepped into my dreams once and I saw that you wished to assist me.  I saw your face and liked it, I saw you were pretty with short dark hair that came just below the ear, a bit of wave to it, you had some bangs, your body weight and figure was just right, you wore a dress, you were a lady, something I try to be, but see myself more as a country bumpkin, hayseed in my teeth, practicing etiquette on occassion. I brushed off your question..sorry,  that u wished to help me by sharing all u had gotten from the Elias material with this board..and I seemed to be the only bumpkin who would listen perhaps.. I was intensely involved in a relationship with another on this board which was facinating me. no, consuming me, and spilled forth to tell you what this person was up to, abruptly changing the subject matter and confusing you as any good bumpkin worth her salt would. I'm sorry. I was just glad to see you and the way you walked right in. he's gone now, I wished I could have helped him out. anyway, so much for that. thanks, I'm sure you don't remember being there, most people don't. I still think it was real.
we have to start somewhere to put Elias or any other helpful material we read or intensely believe in, we have to start somewhere to put it into our own words  or else we will always be only using page numbers and quotes to back up what we say. Dora, I think u will agree with me, there comes a time when we stop reading books and following others and only listen to our own heart truth and this is what u really teach me to do. you do not teach me a concept. u only tell me who you are and our words here mean nothing, but that they are twice removed from reality interpreted by our individuality.

you know I follow many teachers but first I must follow my self, my dreams. we need to define the term what Elias calls a focus..(my opinion) then we need to define what Bruce and/or Monroe calls a probe. how can it be that different? a probe goes into tiny areas and probes around..for what? your guess is as good as mine but I like the idea as I can play with it alot and come up with new ideas. also a focus, the word itself, to focus in on something, in this case an entire lifetime of experiences desired, that does not seem opposite to what a probe is. will have to share personal experiences, for only experiences can be talked about and even these can only hint what we wish to communicate by coming together here.  here's one personal story: I lost my dog and went looking for her out there during sleep state. I was really there. I felt the electric sensations, the buzzing..I was pure mind focused on what I wanted...I wanted to take care of my dog and assure her comfort. I saw her, but she was blurry, not clear to my vision; with the mere desire to see her more clearly, to know if she were ok I became like a focus lens on a camera which zooms in....lol...that was so much fun..I was suddenly right in front of her eyes and as I looked into those brown eyes they became a part of me and we were one and the same. I was putting love inside of her and it stared back at me; my own self staring back at me. I told her she had done nothing wrong..she was perfection. it was very healing and also to know I could do this. I could be like a camera lens with that zoom feature, but I was also probing my dog's being at the same time I was focusing in on her.
to sum up, I also interpret essence as part of the we are all one entity concept and I already know u have a problem with this statement. you will have a problem but only if you keep comparing what I say to the more lofty and quite more intelligent words of Elias which I surely shall not measure up to that. I say this because I can understand it, to be this way; I am nothing outside of relationship to others. I create nothing without the help of others, in that sense, we are one. remember what Elias said when there are two people in a room, there are actually four physical people in the room? that's what is happening now, there's four images happening to my mind, while there are four physical people in the room as Elias would put it.

Why don't we take Bruce's advice to see the similarities between various beliefs in all our readings, in order to sift the grain from the chaff? and theres much out there, none of it wrong or right. love, alysia

Alyisia,

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I don't believe that I stated that you have problem with Elias material.My comment was reference to your statement, that you have study Elias, and the same time you saying  something totally 100% misalignment what Elias expressing.

It is as I posted, not about that YOU or ANYONE else  see it valid or invalid or chooses to align with, it is about the material it self. Elias did NOT, and never will express, what is your interpretation about his material.

There is a reason why - even if many individual complain about his syntax- that he chooses very specific expressions because even though he never fail to point out and uses his motto that "It matters not" meaning that long as we physically manifested we tied to our perceptions and beliefs, and all of our interpretations/experiences  colored by them, they true to us but not the ultimate truth but there is also CORRECTNESS and INCORRECTNESS regarding understandings.

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Elias doesn't put any "twist" just explain what someone with a fair intellect and of course interest follow  Quantum physicist telling us for awhile now. But Elias also expressing that yes even though all of our lives simultaneous, we experience sense of linear time, and objective imaginary while we're in the transition periods.

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Elias would and says - beliefs system is a PART of this physical dimension, and because exactly our lives simultaneous, WE ALL HOLD EVERY POSSIBLE BELIEFS.. no exception.

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Elias cannot be more clear on what essence and what focuses are.....

ELIAS: You are thinking of your essence as a thing an entity. As I explained, I am not an entity. You are not, either. An entity denotes a separate thing. You are not a thing. 

ELIAS:  “Within physical focus, your attention is directed very precisely. You are a lens. Visualize a camera with hundreds of lenses. This camera shall be essence. You are a lens of this camera. All of these lenses are occurring simultaneously, and are also all influencing and lending energy to you within the action of the accomplishment of this shift presently. You are also influencing of all of these other lenses, or focuses.

“I define what you term to be a lifetime as a focus, for lifetime is encompassing. In this, your lifetime is the sum of all of your focuses within this particular physical dimension. Each segment is a focus. They do not occur linearly. You do not move into birth, move through a focus, die, and remanifest into another focus. This is your perception of your linear time framework, but it is relative only to physical focus. It is how you have designed this particular reality. It is not reality in other areas of consciousness or other physical dimensions beyond this particular dimension. It is a perception, although the element of time holds its own integrity.

“Therefore, I shall not express to you that time itself is not an entity, for it is in a manner of speaking, but it does not appear in the same manner that you view it within this particular dimension. Therefore, when you view other focuses of yourself, they are occurring presently. They are not past; they are not future. We may be referring to other focuses for your understanding as future or past, merely for the reason that this is how your thought processes operate within physical focus, but be remembering that all of your focuses are simultaneous.

FEMALE: “Could you clarify what you mean by other focuses? I’m not quite sure what you mean.”

ELIAS: “In YOUR terms, you express within your language a focus to be a lifetime. You move in the direction of your perception of linear time. Therefore, you look to your other focuses and you express them to be past lifetimes or future lifetimes. I express these to be other focuses of your essence, for there is no past or future. They are all occurring simultaneously. Therefore, they are sideways to yourself, not before you or behind you. In this, as you are allowing yourself to be connecting with any of these other focuses, you shall also be beginning to offer yourself more of your own remembrance..

“The reason I express this to you is that you may understand that these focuses are not linear. Within your thought process, you have created a linear time framework in this dimension. Therefore, you think of these focuses linearly, one lifetime following another lifetime, and that you – that you identify as you now presently – is participating in each of these lifetimes. This is the belief: that you are born into a focus, you continue through this focus, you die, you are born again, you continue, you die, you are born again, and so the cycle continues. In actuality, ALL of your focuses are occurring NOW. They are not linear. Therefore, in one respect, you ARE all of these focuses as essence. In another respect, you are this focus that you identify as yourself, and all of these other focuses are occurring now also. Therefore, they are each individually themselves.

MIKE: “With the 731 focuses I have in total in this dimension, is that like an average number that most essences manifest in this dimension?”

ELIAS: “This number varies with essences as they are manifesting within this dimension.

“I will express to you that an average ... although this is difficult to actually offer to you, for there is a wide range of choices in the manifestations of essence. But I may express to you that an average numbering of overall focuses of an essence within this dimension would be between 300 and approximately 600.”

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Actually this particual explanation about how we  PERCEPTIVE each other is not comes from Elias it comes from Seth...but naturally Elias cover it in hundreds of transcript with his experessions.

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Alysia of  there is no right or wrong way only different way,  each of us  looking for informations and resonate with it  according to our awareness.

Regarding your question YES i did have a session with Elias, and even before, I didn't had any doubt  but after my session, feeling his energy, and incredible understanding, and his answers and help with  those deeply intimate questions what nobody knew only myself  I KNOW beyond any doubt  that he is what he say he is, he doesn't even need a "god status"