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Can we use quantum physics to understand the mind? (Read 10214 times)
Marsha1
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Re: Can we use quantum physics to understand the m
Reply #15 - Jun 29th, 2005 at 8:51pm
 
I am quite shocked by this unfolding of events.

I have always been a quite spiritual person, not believing in any one religion. Two weeks ago I had a scare with breast cancer and really faced the reality that one day (even maybe soon) we are no longer going to be here. I then went into panic thinking that maybe, just maybe we (or more importantly at this point, I) might be facing a black nothingness. I just might have it all wrong.

I  felt the answer lay somewhere between science and religion  and so decided to resume my search for answers and "stumbled" on this site.

Now I find your posts Dave. I haven't even posted the question and you are supplying some very interesting answers to the very questions that are bumping around in my head.

Quite amazing stuff hey?

Thanks for allowing me to post your words elsewhere. We have some diehard sceptics on a private board who are discussing this very issue right now. I am hesitant to give them this board address as I don't know if you want or are ready to deal with sceptics who are very willing to state their case in a forthright manner.
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Re: Can we use quantum physics to understand the m
Reply #16 - Jun 30th, 2005 at 12:16pm
 
This is part two of the requested metaphysics of force fields, since I didn't actually describe them from an impersonal perspective.

The basic ida is that a "thing" is nothing but a collection of "properties", like color, shape, size etc. Properties show up in our experiences as the ways in which things relate, That there is "stuff" to which the properties are assigned is also a property, called "extension" by philosophers. As an example, an idea has properties by which it relates to other thoughts, and its "stuff" is pure information, or "entropy". All we actually know about anything is the properties. Thus, an idea, or a thing,  can be said to be a glob of entropy with properties. We only sense properties through interactions of "things", so without interactions, we simply don't know anything. 

Now look at the ping-pong people again, call them A and B. They have chosen to live in an additive universe where they can get together and talk. That means that they share properties, forming a new additive "thing" called AB, a little bit of A and a little bit of B. This new "thing" is made of entropy as well. When you talk to a friend on the phone you are creating a new "thing" in the same way, and it doesn't use you up, because it's all done with information, or "entropy". But after talking, both you and your friend have gained a bit of history, so that you no longer are who you were when you started. (That's why malicious gossip hurts the gossiper, they become what they have done.)

Properties are "dimensioned" by imposition of some kind of comparison on them. Before the imposition of a scale of some kind, there are no dimensions.

When the instant of Creation occurs, all the infinity of potentialities of the emergent universe are created, and they start to manifest themselves by joining together in various ways. Since there is no initially imposed ordering or dimensioning, this creates a tremendous clutter of created "stuff". Cayce called it "chaos". BUT, creation follows a natural sequence, that of evolution through combinations in which things add to one another. That means that there are Layers of Clutter, rather than a single blob. Here's how it works.

In the Beginning there is Nothing. The potentiality of Nothing is twofold. Nothing can be so vanishingly small that it has no potentiality to be dimensioned, but just an empty place into which we can point, like an exterior without any interior. Or, Nothing can be so vast that no matter what we stick into it, it cannot be filled, like an interior without an exterior. These are both the same Nothng, yet they differ. How that difference is reconciled is through creation of Everything. The potentiality to reconcile the vast and tiny is thus the creative potential of the universe. (And God, no matter what else, is the Infinite Creative Potentiality.)

In physics, the Exterior is the Event Horizon, 14,000,000,000 light years distant surrounding us, and the Interior is the Planck Interval, about 10E(-35) meters by 10E(-44) seconds. (I don't have scientific notation on this word muncher, so had to use exponential form.)

Let's call the vast Nothing A and the tiny Nothing B, then AB is some kind of intermediate state between big and small called AB, a projection into everyday spaciousness from the two extremes of nothingness. (It has to be in "extended space" because it otherwise would be some kind of dimensional Nothing, hence not an additive product nor a logical entity, both of which would be logical contradictions.) Why this occurs is that in an additive universe, it is one of the potentialities that can be real-ized. In a non-additive universe, it doesn't occur. (What real-ize actually means is to make real. No longer Nothing.)

Now we can look for other ways to combine Nothing A and Nothing B, as well as the intermediate Something AB. From three beginners we get seven combinations, since the beginners are part of the outcome, but have added history, so that they are no longer what they used to be. This is the second layer, and is why 3 and 7 are "mystical numbers".

From 7 beginners we get 127 outcome states, doing the same combination. (This is called an "iterated complexion"  in math.)

What we now have is a collection of layers of stuff, and each layer is made up of a bunch of discrete "things". Since there are no dimensions as yet, we can look at them from any angle we wish, and it is equally proper with any other view. This is like walking by an orchard. The trees are planted in "layers", and depending on the angle, we can see this or that pattern as we look down the rows. There is one pattern that seems to be simplest, and from which all the others can be derived.  In the same way, as we pass by the layers of "things" we can see them as forming this or that pattern, and there is at least one pattern that seems simplest, and from which all the other patterns can be derived.

The rules for deriving new patterns are that they must be the most stable. That means that probability must flow from less likely to more likely, which is also called the Second Law of Thermodynamics, the "entropy always increases" because we keep making new combinations that maximize additive interactions. (I can imagine my physics prof rolling his eyes at this point.)

Several interesting things occur. First, there is at least one pattern of additions that, when we trace it tyhrough enough layers and additions, has all the properties of a Mind. This is God-Mind, and you can Actually Go Back in meditation and find it, now that you know its nature. That both proves that you are God, and also the converse, that God is You. The lowest level of God-Mind is the relationship between Nothingness A and Nothingness B. (Go there and see if I'm right or not.)

There are also other sequences in which the initial God-Mind has participated that have mindful properties, in the sense that their nature defines their choices so that they propagate themselves as active viewpoints whose interactions with the cosmos gives them feedback for more choices etc. One of those looks like You. Another looks like your best friend, etc.

Because these are all of two natures,  both willful extensions of God-Mind, and also mechanically additive systems of entropy, their nature is eternal. Nothing can ever be lost. If one of the viewpoints identifies with something totally invalid, it doesn't plunge off into a black hole. It simply gets to take off the invalid properties, and then put on new and valid ones that are in better agreement with the rest of God-Mind.

When we die we face a judgement, the God-Mind within us returns t its essential nature, dragging all the rest of us along with it. The tendency is to increase oneness by combinations, because the universe is additive, and we sense this as the fantastic bliss experienced in religious experiences. We even get a taste of it when the creative impulse in one person unites with the creative impulse in another person to create a third person by uniting the God-Mind parts that are shared. To lose this PUL is painful, and to lose it together with large parts of our prior pride and foolishness is even more so, However, many of us, out of love, elect to return to the world in deformed bodies and minds in order to better become one with God.

Anyway, going back to the top, a force field is the tendency for things to add together, according to the most probable way and in order to form the most stable everyday reality. Magnetism, gravity and electricity are rather obvious, but rather trivial examples. The best example is love.

Love to you all - dave
 
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