Hi Shawn. have you ever picked up the phone and u knew who it was before u picked it up? sometimes guidance is like that. other times you might get a 3-word sentence in your head just before u wake up in the morning. lol. once asked out loud "I am in control of my life, right?" I got back 4 words "you're not in control." that was 4 years ago...I should go ask again. lol. funny, the question has changed!

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If you are talking about Helpers in retrievals, they are ordinary people in the astral trained to do retrievals and have all the skills necessary to carry out missions, e.g. manipulating and manifesting objects and environments, searching, etc.
One thing I've learned is don't ask them questions about yourself - they don't know you better than you do. If you want guidance I would recommend raising one's vibrations as high as possible either in meditation or in the AP state and then stating intents or questions. In this process you will communicate with your HS and your fellow Disk members who know a lot about you and your associates in this life.

-mike

Shedt,

Only a handful of times have I talked to helpers or accompanied them outside the actual act of retrieval. My sense is they are astral people whose occupation is to retrieve people who are stuck in lower planes. Outside of that I expect they lead normal astral lives. I once stuck around with helpers after a retrieval - they watched a movie about how someone was killed and stuck around as a ghost (that's my interpretation). Helpers, choose their occupation, because of their resonance with that kind of work and for some, the desire to give something back to the community after having been retrieved themselves. Gordon Phinn's book covers this in-depth. And to cross-reference, a book called Astral City written perhaps a century ago also covers the lives of helpers.
http://www.geae.inf.br/en/books/ac/

  Mind you, after a time, astral inhabitants die - known as the second death - as they re-merge their energy with their HS or soul, so that the soul can send out a new probe to inhabit a physical body (aka reincarnation)

I've only once been asked a question, that I can remember from a helper, asking me to do a  retrieval. They basically asked "do you want to be a helper"? In that event, I was given "headphones", so I could be directed on what to do and I could ask questions. One thing I find frustrating is how little I speak to helpers as though they are giving me the freedom to do whatever I want. The problem is sometimes I mess up. I guess they know my personality which is not to read the instructional manual.

-mike

woah thanks Mike!

watching a movie... life in the astral....

its all sooo. i dunno i can't put words to it.

alysia thats cool about your washing machine.. it makes me remember slightly about a dream i had the other night. all i can remember is there was somthing about unconditional love. I think i was loving someone... if that makes sense........

i can barely remember it and it was kinda fragmented... but i do remember that...
anyways!

thank you so very much,

take care,
-shawn

Hi Lucy, I can't comment on the book, Astral City, but it does sound like it's cloaked in the terminology of the roots of spiritism, which means we've evolved a bit from there as a whole.
as a budding writer attempting to use language in a way that suits a large audience, I see how difficult that can be. but there is something I want to comment on, your reference to "indiscriminate kindess engenders indisapline and failure." the book just left u hanging there? I feel it should have elaborated so, lol, I'll do it from my pov.
as I go thru life, people are still reflecting back to me "I am too kind, or I don't pay attention to good business practice; I sometimes forget to take my change on purpose, etc. I frequently let people off the hook even before they've hooked themselves...I make up excuses why people behave the way they do, or why they have treated me unkindly...there's committing random acts of kindness, then theres a thing called the blind leading the blind I guess and being too huggy/touchey/lovey dovey instead of asking intuition exactly what can be extended in relationship and yet not be used as a doormat to wipe your feet on by being too too easy going..well, I'm learning about balanced PUL. sometimes the worst thing u can do is kill someone with kindness, it leads to failure for sure. if u can get them to accomplish their own deed, whether it be the securement of housing, or giving them seeds to grow their own food, far better they attain self pride than accept my welfare stipend. that doesn't mean I can't be alert to opportunity to commit random acts of kindness which nourishes my own soul, it just means I have to be constantly listening to intuition and paying attention to the vision I wish to see for the world and "what is actually happening in this moment and what the situation calls for so that another can see that they are valuable and the possibilities are endless for them and for all of us.

Lucy,

Astral City is on par with older texts about the
afterlife, where we don't know that much about the author and what preconceptions they had.
I think one way of understanding about all the regimentness of this city is that is in the astral. I think the astral is not really the true state of our spirit or Disk/Higher Self. It is the realm of our personality that survives death. That personality lingers in the astral plane only until it is willing to rejoin other personalities (incarnations/Disk) in the mental plane. (Others should comment on this, I could be totally off. This I would call simply my latest hypothesis.)

In my opinion a clearer picture of heaven and the purpose of life is Michael Newton's Journey/Destiny of Souls books. In those books, we are looking at the afterlife in the point of view of the multi-personality Disk not the single autonomous personality.

-mike

Hi, Mike!

Your post caught my eye and I wanted to share a thought on Newton.  By the way, I loved his book Destiny of Souls...it really helped me to better grasp many concepts.  Anyway, my thought is this -- Newton's excerpts from his sessions with his subjects seem to reveal that even from the perspective of the individual personality (like, me - Sydnei), we can recall all of the other personalities we have been when we re-enter the spirit world.  It doesn't seem to be restricted to when we rejoin the HS or disk.  This 'soul perspective' seems to be available to us right away when we are free of the physical.  I know there are so many different points of view on this, but this one really resonated with me after reading Newton.  Would love to hear more about your perspective and what has led you to it.

With thanks and love, Sydnei

Hey Alysia!

Yes, what you say makes sense.  For souls who are in need of help, the 'soul' perspective would not yet be available.  I was referring to the others...the people who transition fairly easily.  And like you said, we needn't wait for physical death...we can gain insights into our other lives/selves via meditation and dreams and such. 

Now I'll hop on over to Linn's to pick up our conversation there. 

Much love, Sydnei

Hi, Mike! 

I got chills as I read your message...so I know your thoughts resonated with me!  I did not read Many Lives, Many Masters...but I did attend a workshop with Brian Weiss and he spoke of it in detail that filled me with excitement.  Yes, opening up to our higher self can have tremendous impact on this life and help our initial experience in the afterlife (when we return) to be a much more positive and aware one.

Love, Sydnei

good on ya mate! I'm so glad forces were holding him back mystic! it must have been totally out of character for him from the way you describe it. well, enough is enough, right? I'm sure help was with you. you must have decided there was no recourse but to leave. I think a decision is a very powerful tool when all hope is gone due to a broken jaw or other part of the body being broken, not to speak of a mother's need to protect the children. I'm sure once you made that decision there were spirit helpers all around and about you shoring up your actions; and they can and do intervene in our lives, especially if it's a matter of your survival and it's simply not your time to die. you know many women do die in this kind of situation of course. nearly all murders are committed by a family member; so as to stay on topic, we cannot fathom it well, but before incarnation we make agreements to enact certain dramas here and not a few of them involve pain either emotional or physical. you've paid your dues and found your strength. it's hard walking away with not a dime in your pocket, but self respect demands it. I applaud you! you must be so strong now inside. I think as far as the guides and helpers go, they would be happy to see that you became aware of your hidden strength. I wonder what hubby was thinking to be held by the strong arms of a greater and wise power urging him to let you go free from harm. I would just be grateful and not ask, for his lessons that another is not owned by another even in marriage are very bitter lessons. I don't think he's evil, just not in control of his feelings. just a babe in the woods like unto an animal in deep pain will bite the hand that feeds it. sorry, don't mean to turn into an analyst here. I'm glad you're here to tell your stories!

Good Morning, Alysia!! I like to read your replies...you have good words of 'motherly' wisdom! 
That year, 1998, was really traumatic for myself and my girls...and, there were alot of changes happening, most of which were right out of my control....I always felt like I was being led by something or someone that I couldn't explain. It was the strangest thing....to go thru every day doing things and making arrangements and plans without having a clue as to 'why' you were doing it. I remember one day, early on in my college program, an instructor in one course, asked us individually to explain to the class, why we were taking this specific program.....all I could say was: I really don't know why I am here!!! And I didn't!! Because it wasn't like I was following some long lost dream or anything. In fact, I couldn't even explain where I had gotten the courage to get into the program......I had just been hiding behind walls and doors for years because of what I had become...too afraid, ashamed and scared to go out. Even tho I didn't know why I was making the changes that I was....I still didn't question things. I just knew that I was being led along....and that one day I would see the answers. And sure enough....that is exactly what happened. If I hadn't followed that lead...I would most likely still be in that situation...and who even knows if I would be alive to talk about it today. I do refer to him as evil....I always will.....he was not normal Alysia. He did horrible things to all people, not just to myself or my daughters....to animals as well. He did these things with no conscious....and no remorse afterwards......I wrote a poem at one point in that marriage...I portrayed life with him just as it was: our home was 'hell' and he was the gatekeeper(the devil), standing watch, not letting anyone in or out.....and on the streets below, people could hear the walls from the home, screaming in pain and anguish. I will never forget what it looked like to see him being held at bay while I took my girls and left. Think of a large, rabid dog...frothing at the mouth, crazed in the brain and lunging against his chains to get loose at you.....and that it just how he was. He was literally held to the counter....and he was held there until we got safely in the car and drove off.....I know that, because if he had been able to break free, he would have been at the car dragging us out. You know, just 2 weeks before this happened, one of my classes had gotten out 15 minutes late. That was an art class.....we had done an art project for kids....using a folded peice of construction paper and putting a blob of 3 different colors onto one page of the fold....then folding the paper in half....the result was to see a mirrored image of color on the opposite page. Everyone taking part in that project were busy showing each other their own little blob of color creation when they opened the folded papers up. When I first opened mine, all there was, was a mess of color....then suddenly, and with no word of exaggeration, the colors on my page started to take on the face of the devil....it was a perfect image of a devils face....every detail was perfect as if an artist had painted it.....red oval eyes....horns.....pointed jaw......it was unbelieveable. I immediately felt fear....my friend stood there with me and we watched this image literally form before our eyes. We both started to cry, out of absolute fear.....she was seeing the same thing that I was. Others looked at it....they saw the same thing....and they looked at me like I was some kind of evil magnet or something...actually backing away from me. Suddenly I felt fear for my girls at home.....I knew deep inside, that this image was significant of something very bad that was about to happen....I was afraid to go home, even tho I knew I had to since my girls were there. I knew that I had to be there to protect them....but still, way too afraid of what was about to happen. I hurried home.....as I said, the class was let out late.....I knew that he would be getting home soon and I wanted to get there before he did...I didn't want him alone with the girls. As I pulled up my street, I saw his car already there....the huge fear just consumed me....I was so afraid to go into the house...just because of what I had just experienced in that image...I knew that this wasn't going to be good. I walked in the door...the house was quiet inside...no noise other than the tv......he was stretched out on the couch, normal, as if nothing was wrong....I asked him if everything was ok with the kids....he said yes, they were up in their rooms....everything was fine he said. My younger daughter came down the stairs at that point, she was so visibly shaken, upset....I knew things weren't ok....she told me that I better go up and see her sister.....he started yelling......I ran upstairs....and I will leave it at that. It was awful what I saw......I tried to get out with my kids right then.....but...I couldn't get passed him...he barracaded the door....and again, I won't go further. My point here with this...is the image that formed on the paper, more than accurately depicted what was to come...and it did come, in all the evilness it had. 2 weeks later, he was held against his will so that we could get out.....and then we never, ever went back.
I am a stronger person inside now....way, way stronger.....the light inside me grew stronger every day....one of my instructors had even commented on my light....and encouraged me to let it grow brighter....she told me that I was given special gifts from Above and that I had a specific job to do here on this planet....and she told me that my guides would be right beside me, helping me to get that job done......
I don't believe anymore....that things in life just happen randomly....they all happen for a reason....there is nothing random about life at all. I think that I was supposed to endure that marriage....for there were learning lessons in that for me to use later in my life as I got closer to getting my job here done.....whether we call them lessons, tools....or whatever.....my time with that person has given me the foundation to work with something later in my life....and honestly, that is pretty much how I go thru life now.....look at each day as it has something in it 'for one day down the road'......you might not have a clue today....but tomorrow will bring you the knowledge..........and just because something isn't working out right for you today.....doesn't mean that something far better isn't just around the corner.....do I make any sense?? lol.....I think I am babbling again!!!!!

Thanks Alysia....your words mean alot to me.....I'll bet that your are a great friend to people around you! You have given me soooooooooo much inspiration in what you have written here today...and I want to thank you with all my heart!! I'm glad that I have come to meet you here....thanks Alysia!!!
love, sandy   

Mike, thanks for the link to the free e-book.

Love, Marilyn

Thanks Shawn and Alysia....those are very nice words!! Thanks for making day brighter today!!   

you have helped me a lot too Jean, just by acknowledging me here and I welcome pm's from yourself or anybody here. as a further example of how you help me, lol, you mentioned waiting my book to come out. it appears I spend too much time here and should be putting the finishing touches on the thing. today, you have managed to inspire me once more to get on with it! lol. I now feel knowing that one awaits it, inspired a bit! I often think my life is not extraordinary, so when you finally read it, just consider we are having a chat one on one. that is the mood I would like to inflict upon people. I want to stay on topic here so I will mention once more if there had been no forum here established by Bruce and Rosalie, there would have been no book writing for me, just a lot of short stories perhaps. so yes, I still appreciate having a place to come to socialize with like minded people. to create community and I especially am grateful to Monroe for launching TMI which helped to launch this board although I've never met them in person, I have within dream state and it's always remarkable. yes, someday we will do away with computers I suppose and just send a rote through the ethers...this may take some time, so I better get back to the book and try to explain how to receive and send a rote...hmmm. tall order! love to all, alysia