I'm curious, have or do the helpers tell you, or ask you about people here now ?

like would they give advice to others, or ask you to check on someone ?

do they give advice ? What kind of advice to they give ?

anything specific ?

sorry for my post not being quite to the point.

take care,
Shawn

I take it you mean Helpers that help us find someone to retrieve or that accompany us when we are retrieving someone?  I've never had a Helper ask me anything. In fact I always knew I had a Helper along but hardly ever saw them, just was aware that they were there.  If this is what you're referring to, then they are just there to assist in taking you to the person/people who need to move on.

Love, Mairlyn

Very interesting. I was wondering though if they ask questions, or what do they talk about besides retrivals ?

Are they curious about things on this side ? Maybe they ask you to talk to a friend or help guide someone else through you etc.

it all seems very interesting

thanks for the book link Mike; first edition ws in 1944 and it do look good.
the 2nd death is really interesting. btw, I read instructional manuals only as a last resort myself; I always think I can write better instructions. ha ha!

Shedt, retrieving is just the loving act to me. no mystery that we are all connected. you asked what do they talk about (guides, helpers) besides retrievals? Mike summed it up, the guides are folks like us without physical bodies generally, but they remember what it was like to have a body in this dimension. sometimes we have had an agreement with them, that they would provide assistance if asked. they are not allowed to be interfering with your life though as we must learn the art of self creation here.
I was just remembering a man and woman awaking me the other day to tell me by symbolism my washing machine was leaking..it saved me a huge bill to take their advice to shut off the water! this I considered a loving gesture from the other side. I have no idea who they are; I assume they are around me..I assume we are all taken care of in mysterious and not so mysterious ways in the end. love, alysia

Dear Mike

What a strange and interestin glittle book you've brought up here. I'm about half-way through and I don't quite know what to make of it.

On the one hand, some of the things it says seem to illuminate certain situations. I was just reading in Chapter 23. I came across this phrase : indiscriminate kindness engenders indiscipline and failure. I had never heard it phrased like that but it answers a question or two I have held many times, uncertain of how to proceed because kindness can come back in unexpected ways, and not all positive. Maybe striving for kindness is not so good if it is indiscriminate. But the details of that are boring to anyone else.

So there are many ideas like that scattered throughout that make me feel the source is reaching for a deeper understanding.

I don't think it was written a century ago. It references 1939 in the test and also talks about the women's movement in a way I would not have expected until the '60s or '70s. I don't think it was meanrt to be prophesy. Am I missing something here? Do you know anything more about this work or did you just find it on the web? And sometimes I think I'm reading Harry Potter instead of this Astral City thing. Ministry of this and Ministry of that and fighting the forces of veil sort of thing.

The discussion on listening in to broadcasts from physical reality and the broadcasts from another location aimed back at earth in Chapters 23 and 24 ought to interest some folks here, though it lacks the technical approach as to how to do that. Always easy to talk about something if you don't have to give the technical details on how to do it!

I don't quite get something...I don't care for such regimented philosophies, and this world is regimented, but the overall intent of the place is strangely comforting, as though some ideas I held years ago but sort of lost track of are again surfacing . Anyway, it is an interesting find and I wish you or anyone else who's read it would comment some more.

Lucy

Thanks for the interesting thoughts. Yeah, that is probably the part left out of the lessons: Listen to that inner voice rather than following rules blindly. The problem with the incorrect kindness IS the doormat problem!  Turn the other cheek. Yeah, right. Somebody left some info out of that rule!

And another problem with incorrect kindness is doing too much for someone. That wasn't the problem I meant, but it can be a problem. I struggle with facing panhandlers. I assume many of them will use the money to buy alcohol. But I don't seem to have a quick connect with guidance to get a scoop on the real story. Well maybe the important thing is to look them in the eye and acknowledge humanity.

Balanced PUL. Now there is a well-written phrase! Thanks for your comments.

I think the book is interesting and could be starting point for several different conversations of topis of interest to folks here; things that have been discussed in the past.

Hi Mike. interesting post. I agree with you that the personality is a fluid and changing thing and that gravitating to the mental realms, perhaps the library in focus 27 tends to slowly or steadily change the personality even more. this reminds me of Bruce's vision of personalities within the disc, sort of on stasis; I see them as tucked in a drawer you can pull out if desired. at first, I thought how sad, to be put in a drawer, but I know I don't have but a limited viewpoint right now of the disc. the other side of the coin is the freedom of self expression the entire disc has choice of in it's self-creative ability. u know, the old saying "to be or not to be" who said that? Plato? anyway, even the personality has immortality and is not exstinguised but merged and so becomes the moreness. that is what I wanted to offer and I do my takes from thinkers like yourself. always love to hear from you Mike.
Lucy, I never did understand turning the other cheek either until one day I got the message in the inbetween state to "gently offer non-resistance" when I was learning something about higher self, or more unlimited self. perhaps it was Destiny of Souls which helped me a bit when it explained that a part of us remains unincarnated. I immediately began to speculate higher self was visiting me now and again in my journey. then leading from that idea I wondered if I was really ever separated from that part that seems to know everything or if I just thought I was separated. you can probably understand where I'm going with this. much love, alysia

Hi Sydnei! lol. was just talking to you over at Linn's boardwww.spiritlinnusa.com/  I think the soul perspective is not available to those that need retrieving because they never believed in it perhaps or never thought much about it. it appears we build the afterlife while here, failing that, helpers can come in, get folks moving a bit. aside from retrieving though we can see our past lives before death, in visions, or dreams, intuitions and meditations. the way I see it though if we come here to experience one type of experience, we lock ourself into it, excluding other available viewpoints in order to accomplish one particular experience that the soul disc is wishing to round itself out. Elias calls an incarnation a "focus" which I thought was a very good term as we focus in on one or two particular experience's in a chosen field of endeavor; like politics, the arts, environment studies, etc. and don't forget motherhood! hee. now, THAT is a rich experience! but as u can see, these are all experiences with one viewpoint and necessarily limited in terms of our unlimited higher self. being here is like tunnel vision in other words for a purpose.