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May 12th, 2005 at 7:13pm
 
I just read this artical from the news on recording voices of the dead... Here I copied and pasted it for you to read, what do you think true or false?   

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Can voices of the dead be heard on ordinary audio tapes recorded in a quiet room?


Swedish archeologist, documentary maker and artist Friedrich Juergenson pioneered research into Electronic Voice Phenomena (EVP). Eighteen years after his death, interest in EVP is surging thanks to the horror movie "White Noise" in which Michael Keaton receives messages from his dead wife.

"We picked up maybe 60 new members after the movie," said Lisa Butler, who runs the American Association of Electronic Voice Phenomena (www.aaevp.com) together with her husband Tom from their home in Reno, Nevada.

Their Web site recorded 88,000 hits the day after the movie opened and the Butlers appear on the "White Noise" DVD's extra material, demonstrating how to record EVP.

The Butlers see the voices as evidence of life after death and say they have recorded the voices of Tom's father, Lisa's mother and her paternal grandmother. "We have been recording the voices for 15 years and have proved to ourselves that it's possible to reach loved ones," said Lisa Butler. "We have done that."

Believers say getting in touch with a dead relative through EVP can help the grieving process and the association's roughly 400 members include parents whose dead children have contacted them through EVP, said Lisa.

The voices cannot be heard live, only when a recording is played back. Messages are often short, such as "I miss you" or "I love you," and are usually just louder than a whisper. Anyone can record and hear them but not everyone manages to establish contact with lost family members, say the Butlers.

"There are always entities on the other side who are willing to talk to you. But getting a loved one, a specific person, is a little more of a challenge," said Tom.

FACT OR FICTION?

"White Noise" dwells on the dangers of communing with the dead and the moviemakers say one in 12 EVP messages are "overtly threatening."

"That's pure science fiction," said Tom Butler.

Skeptics dismiss EVP as the by-product of stray radio waves or over-active human imagination. Even in the esoteric world of parapsychologists, the concept is frowned upon.

"I find the idea of EVP simply ludicrous. The human brain is designed to find meaningful patterns, even where there's only randomness. So it's not surprising some people believe they have heard something in the noise," said Joakim Westerlund, who does research into parapsychology at Stockholm University.

Undaunted by such comments and the occasional accusation from religious groups that they are dallying with demons, the Butlers recommend non-believers try out EVP for themselves.

"This is something that each and every person can do, and when you get a voice it's life-changing," said Lisa Butler.

Juergenson first heard strange voices while recording bird song in 1959. Recording silence and white noise from the radio, he identified one of the voices as his dead mother and concluded that all such voices must come from beyond the grave.

In a colorful career, the Swede who died in 1987 at the age of 84 conducted archeological excavations at Pompeii and under St Peter's Basilica at the     Vatican, spoke 10 languages and as an artist was commissioned to paint portraits of two popes.

In 1999, Swedish composer and sound artist Carl Michael von Hausswolff stumbled across Juergenson's archive of 1,000 tapes. He now chairs the Friedrich Juergenson Foundation which put out a CD "Best of" the EVP recordings and an English translation of Juergenson's 1967 book "Voice Transmissions With the Deceased."

"He is a lot more famous now than he was five years ago," said von Hausswolff, who called Juergenson's research "a kind of pioneering work into the absurd."

From time to time, Juergenson's recordings are featured along with sound art in galleries, and von Hausswolff has organized exhibitions about his life and work.

"A guy who devotes himself to something this odd is something very much out of the ordinary. People like that deserve a medal," said von Hausswolff
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Reply #1 - May 12th, 2005 at 7:50pm
 
Dear Mr. Shawn,

One of the reasons I give David Fontana's book ("Is There an Afterlife") a rave review is his excellent chapter on special machines that record the voices of deceased spirits.  To get a taste for what he shares check out reply #13 on p. 1 of my "A Fresh Look at Heaven" post.  I found it particularly interesting that even 2-way conversations are now possible by the means.  And contrary to the preconceptions of many, even Pope Pius XII  endorses this kind of research. 

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Reply #2 - May 12th, 2005 at 9:23pm
 
I have a friend in Australia who has been recording voices from the afterlife on a regular cassette recorder. The most amazing recordings are from those people who are still 'stuck' from 9-11. There's also people stuck from the same area as ground zero but from a much earlier time.  Shocked She has 2 way conversation with them.

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Reply #3 - May 13th, 2005 at 1:50am
 
Don..This is NOT a continuing of the argument about Christianity...But..I would like where(internet) you have read where Pope Pius the Xll, endorsed the research into the investigation radio played concerning contact into the spirit world...Thank You..Love and Tolerance. Jordon(I could not find it on Google search)....
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Reply #4 - May 13th, 2005 at 3:31am
 
Don. Apologies for the added extras..You said you gave David Fontana's book a rave review....Was this in his published book, or, some other publication..If so, can you name it(publication) and post your original review here for all to read on Bruces site..Love and tolerance...Jordon
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Reply #5 - May 13th, 2005 at 3:58am
 
Hi, Mr_Shawn,

As a very scientifically minded person I find this a very interesting and fascinating topic.
However, your posting lead me to thinking that presumably these spirit voices are recorded in the language of their physical tongue (i.e. Italian, Spanish, English, etc).
If this is so, does this mean that in the spirit world they are unable to communicate with others of a different language, as exists here on earth, or is it some other spirit contact and all are able to converse?

I seem to vaguely remember Bruce mentioned something about this in one of his books, but I`m not sure.

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Reply #6 - May 13th, 2005 at 6:01am
 
Hi Marilyn

Do you have any other information about the folks from this earlier era in NY but in the same area as Ground Zero? Exactly same area or nearby since for those of us who don't know NYC it would be the same. Was there another "mass exodus " there? Do you have a date?
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Reply #7 - May 13th, 2005 at 12:38pm
 
Hi Lucy,

No, I don't have any dates or anything. I don't believe it was an earlier mass exodus. And the woman who is recording this wishes to remain anonymous.  Angry

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Reply #8 - May 13th, 2005 at 1:13pm
 
Roger-

I ran a past life session in which I got one of the pilots of a 911 airplane speaking Farsi. Unfortunately, I can't find the recording. Howeverhe also communicated directly with the English speaking regressee who repeated what he said in English. He mentioned that his group was made up of cells of 3 and that they communicated by writing messages on restroom walls. Asked about plans to attack the Golden Gate Bridge, he said that it was water under the bridge and a matter of "pink paper".  The impression was that communication was direct and telepathic, and not linguistic.

I also rescued an "extra-galactic alien" who got stuck on someone else as an entitiy who was able to communicate clearly, while complaining that we had the wrong kind of bodies and the wrong number of available dimensions. Again, the impression was that communication is direct mental imagery.

I'm interested in anyone who can suggest ways to record voices more clearly. I was thinking about a regenerative system with multiple levels that might allow better coupling to the everyday manifestations supporting the spirit's presence.

In passing, if we notice that spirits often are sensed as a "cold spot", this would imply a reduced Brownian motion of air molecules in that region. The reduced motion could be due to their support of the spirit's manifestation by altering the molecular ballistics in that spot. This kind of thing would suggest that a whisper is all we get because there is vey little "stuff"  with which to create sound. Hence my thought about regeneration.  Has anyone tried an accoustical regenerative system?

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Reply #9 - May 13th, 2005 at 1:42pm
 
Jordon, I assume you've read my post on my {"Heaven" thread about this.  My source for papal approval of this phenomenon is  David Fontana, "Is There an Afterlife?  A Comprehensive Overview of the Evidence." (Chapter 14 "Instrumental Transcommication").   Also Fontana describes Hans Konig's  live recording of a deceased voice over one of the most powerful radio stations of Europe (Radio Luxemburg).  He also describes Darnell's experiment in which 30 people asked questions on a tape and then left two minutes of silence for the spirits to reply.  Many of the answers came in different languages than the questioner's. 

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Reply #10 - May 13th, 2005 at 5:58pm
 
The person can remain anonymous, and could still give info!; I just wanted to know something for a reason. By much earlier I now guess that you mean Native American earlier? There was another tragedy in the general area but not the same spot in the early 1900's.  I like confirmations and I was trying to see if maybe there was some confirmation as to why I was reading about this last night. It would be interestin gto know about the earlier people...why would they be hanging around the place that became Ground Zero?
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Reply #11 - May 13th, 2005 at 6:40pm
 
Hi all,

The amusing (and sad) thing about recording voices on tape is that while it produces all sorts of phrases but most of the time jibberish, some people have managed to get two-way clear voice contact thru electronic means. In Mark Macy's book "Miracles in the Storm" www.worlditc.org he talks about the so-called Luxembourg Station which is the home of Jules and Maggy Harsch-Fischbach (sp.) where they would receive regular phone, TV, fax, and computer communication from There. Many EVP'ers found this place extremely unnerving. I mean imagine spending many yrs of your life listening patiently to hours of tapes - forwards and backwards - looking for little phrases here and there and occasionally getting a hit and then this family comes along and gets large, clear, broadcasts from the other side.
Not everyone's convinced of the Luxembourg's station validity. But people sure would like to duplicate their success. The Other side claims it's a matter of resonance of souls here - and not so much any special electronic technologies.
We'll see.
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Reply #12 - May 13th, 2005 at 8:49pm
 
Hey Lucy, I'll write to her and see if she'll tell me again. I lost all my messages from her when I changed computers or I could look it up.  I do seem to remember, though, something about Native Americans. Hmmmmm.............give me time as she's very busy.
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Reply #13 - May 14th, 2005 at 6:21am
 
So has anyone here tried to record??? and what were the results?? H ow would i go about doing this does anyone have a link to a site explaining how to do it please ?
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Reply #14 - May 16th, 2005 at 10:42am
 
hmmm Mike...I think you've got something there about the resonance thing. I think if we do have sensitive technology out there already it would mostly pick up astral stuff; messages like "I'm here." or "I can read your thoughts". etc. I listened to Art Bell EVP's a couple of times. nothing earth shattering there to gain except that yes, life in some form does continue.
all that's left up to interpretation. the EVP's are short. 2 way conversations have not been broadcast by Art Bell anyway, but I suspect it would be entirely superficial conversations but still worthwhile to get across the idea that this other realm is existent on a mass scale so I'm all for it.
resonance though...that idea is like having an internal connection. when I think of that word I'm reminded how plucking a guitar string will subtly cause the same string of another guitar to vibrate. anyway I'm sure I'm getting a glimpse of how singing helps your retrieval work! love, alysia
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Reply #15 - May 16th, 2005 at 11:16am
 
Lucy, I heard back from my friend but she has lost her notes, etc. and can't remember that much about it now. There didn't seem to be a specific time period.

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Reply #16 - May 18th, 2005 at 12:09am
 
Thanks, Marilyn. The night before seeing your message I had been going through an old stack of newspapers ("Feng Shui" is not in my working vocabulary!) and came across an article by a local columnist written a year after 9/11. It discussed a poem written about the Triangle Shirt Factory fire in New York City in March of 1911, in which 146 workers died, many of them young immigrant women. Some chose to jump (I believe they were on the 9th floor, anyway, they were too high to successfully jump) rather than to burn, just as they did in the Twin Towers. It is hard to say that the 1911 fire was as big a deal for the people then as Sept. 11 was for us, but it was a big deal. I believe the outcry after this tragedy led to changes in labor laws (there were claims all but one exit had been locked, so cloth wouldn't be stolen).

So if there are still some who are still focused on Ground Zero, then maybe there are some still focued on this other place. I don't know NY and have no idea of how close the two places are. Then again, maybe your friend was picking up something about Native Americans, which would be a different time, and would presumably not have such a parallel story. It would have been interesting if she had gotten something about the 1911 fire, esp. since that would be less known in Australia and so she would be less likely to have previous knowlege of it and so superimpose it on to anything she picked up. It would be nice to get some stuff that is confirmatory such as Bruce talks about.

Thanks for asking her.
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Reply #17 - May 18th, 2005 at 6:54pm
 
Hi Alysia-
The resonance thing is a little more complex. It's easy to put a microphone in front of a loudspeaker, and turn the volume down to where it rings, but doesn't squeal. That gives good resonances, but gives a very narow bandwidth - like only a single tone would get through. Some of the other sites associated with EVP's indicate that researchers seem to have used multiple resonators, more like a harp than a guitar, so that it could resonate to all frequencies. Presumably this was useful, but any recorded conversations in such cases were still all passed through the mind of a competent psychic medium. 

The other aspect of resonances is that the spirit world has got to have more than our everyday three dimensions in order to allow the information structures of the "self" to remain coherent, even though distributed over large spaces. In a sense, we live in a 7-space. We have the 3-space of this moment's everyday experience, plus another similar 3-space into which we are moving in the next instant, plus one vector of connection between the two, giving a total of seven vectors involved in any event.  That works for us, but still is probably not  enough for a spook to survive.

From a purely topological perspective, the next naturally occurring dimensional order after 7-space is 127-space. The Egyptians used this. Remember the Egyptian negative confession in the hall of Maat? - One third of the dimensions are associated with processes, things that people do, one third relate to objects and what we do things with, and the last third relate to the logic and relationships among things and processes. The three categories are redundant.  The Egyptians denied having sinful actions, thus the one third of the possible sins in a 127 dimensioned world, and the other two thirds were included automatically, because the definitions are redundant. 3 x 42 = 126, plus Osiris, the "all God" for a total of 127.  For spirits, this would allow a spirit to be defined by 7 dimensions of the immediate moment, seven dimensions of the next moment, and about 113 ways to get there, which fits nicely with the idea of a distributed entity in the "Spirit world".

If we built one, a resonator might be successful. The tricky part is how to build a 127 dimensioned resonator. Thus far, the human mind still seems to be the only thing that links to the spirits and their world. However, there might be some way to fake the dimensions, in the same was as we can draw a  cube (3-space object) on a sheet of paper (2-space projection). Maybe a 3-space projection of 127-space? Or maybe if I were to hold my mind in the proper way ...

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Reply #18 - May 18th, 2005 at 7:47pm
 
lol. Dave, thanks for planting mathematical seeds in my brain but you are one heck of a scientific mind there and I am merely scraping the top of the astral dimensions and sometimes bungle my way into the lower mental planes. nothing u say makes any sense to me but it does remind me of Einstien where he said "it's relative." I have read only one book where quantum physics is introduced to the layman, it's called The Path by Bill Cozzolino. he has diagrams in it to depict the 7 areas of consciousness and how while remaining in the center we can expand our minds to include all 7 areas but he says while immersed in experience we are in the first three layers. there is a 7th layer where we have finished experience. then he asked his guidance what happens then? he said he was told "it begins again." back to the first layer. I'm guessing society as a whole enters the fourth layer now and enters the 5th near 2012. just guessing though.www.skyhero.com/transpersonal-realm.htm

I am impressing my memory cells with the post u made about 127 and the egyptions, etc. maybe understanding will blossom later!...
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Reply #19 - May 19th, 2005 at 11:06am
 
Hi Alysia- rofl-
The dimension thing has two definitions, how we do operational measurements (a foot long, six inches wide etc), and how we discriminate between kinds of measures (in and out has nothing to do with right and left etc). Properly, the whole thing is called dimensional analysis, and forms a trivial part of topology.  Remember the teacher telling you that you can't add apples to oranges? (Ugh.)

However, when we put two ideas together, we get a third that has an added quality contained by neither of the beginners. That third quality, called synergy, The synergy over any set of dimensions (like length, width and height) gives a new set of dimensions that have properties not possessed by the beginners, and of course the beginners are there still too. Thus, three dimensions give rise to seven, and they give rise to 127 etc.

I recall the story of a guru explaining the world, "The world rests on the back of a giant Turtle." A listener protested, "But what does that turtle rest on?" The gurur replied, "It rests on the back of another turtle." Not yet satisfied, the listener repeated, "And that turtle, on what does it rest?" The guru said, "That rests on the back of yet another turtle." This went on for several minutes, until the guru finally smiled and said, "Be at peace brother. It's turtles all the way down."

Or is it all relative?
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Reply #20 - May 19th, 2005 at 1:24pm
 
Wolf:

http://www.aaevp.com/

Here's an evp link for you.  There are lots of others.  You can listen to some samples on your computer speakers.  On the left side of the page is a link for techniques.  I haven't tried it but some people take their tape recorders all over the place trying different locations.  They generally seem to get very short and unhelpful phrases but find it fascinating anyway.   You can just do a web search for electronic voice phenomenom, or EVP for short.  There is some other interesting info out there about people receiving spirit images on television screens hooked up a certain way, but that seems done less.

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Reply #21 - May 19th, 2005 at 3:50pm
 
I saw "White Noise" last night. I wasn't impressed since it was so Hollywoodized. It was ok though.

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