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Reply #15 - May 16th, 2005 at 11:16am
 
Lucy, I heard back from my friend but she has lost her notes, etc. and can't remember that much about it now. There didn't seem to be a specific time period.

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Reply #16 - May 18th, 2005 at 12:09am
 
Thanks, Marilyn. The night before seeing your message I had been going through an old stack of newspapers ("Feng Shui" is not in my working vocabulary!) and came across an article by a local columnist written a year after 9/11. It discussed a poem written about the Triangle Shirt Factory fire in New York City in March of 1911, in which 146 workers died, many of them young immigrant women. Some chose to jump (I believe they were on the 9th floor, anyway, they were too high to successfully jump) rather than to burn, just as they did in the Twin Towers. It is hard to say that the 1911 fire was as big a deal for the people then as Sept. 11 was for us, but it was a big deal. I believe the outcry after this tragedy led to changes in labor laws (there were claims all but one exit had been locked, so cloth wouldn't be stolen).

So if there are still some who are still focused on Ground Zero, then maybe there are some still focued on this other place. I don't know NY and have no idea of how close the two places are. Then again, maybe your friend was picking up something about Native Americans, which would be a different time, and would presumably not have such a parallel story. It would have been interesting if she had gotten something about the 1911 fire, esp. since that would be less known in Australia and so she would be less likely to have previous knowlege of it and so superimpose it on to anything she picked up. It would be nice to get some stuff that is confirmatory such as Bruce talks about.

Thanks for asking her.
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Reply #17 - May 18th, 2005 at 6:54pm
 
Hi Alysia-
The resonance thing is a little more complex. It's easy to put a microphone in front of a loudspeaker, and turn the volume down to where it rings, but doesn't squeal. That gives good resonances, but gives a very narow bandwidth - like only a single tone would get through. Some of the other sites associated with EVP's indicate that researchers seem to have used multiple resonators, more like a harp than a guitar, so that it could resonate to all frequencies. Presumably this was useful, but any recorded conversations in such cases were still all passed through the mind of a competent psychic medium. 

The other aspect of resonances is that the spirit world has got to have more than our everyday three dimensions in order to allow the information structures of the "self" to remain coherent, even though distributed over large spaces. In a sense, we live in a 7-space. We have the 3-space of this moment's everyday experience, plus another similar 3-space into which we are moving in the next instant, plus one vector of connection between the two, giving a total of seven vectors involved in any event.  That works for us, but still is probably not  enough for a spook to survive.

From a purely topological perspective, the next naturally occurring dimensional order after 7-space is 127-space. The Egyptians used this. Remember the Egyptian negative confession in the hall of Maat? - One third of the dimensions are associated with processes, things that people do, one third relate to objects and what we do things with, and the last third relate to the logic and relationships among things and processes. The three categories are redundant.  The Egyptians denied having sinful actions, thus the one third of the possible sins in a 127 dimensioned world, and the other two thirds were included automatically, because the definitions are redundant. 3 x 42 = 126, plus Osiris, the "all God" for a total of 127.  For spirits, this would allow a spirit to be defined by 7 dimensions of the immediate moment, seven dimensions of the next moment, and about 113 ways to get there, which fits nicely with the idea of a distributed entity in the "Spirit world".

If we built one, a resonator might be successful. The tricky part is how to build a 127 dimensioned resonator. Thus far, the human mind still seems to be the only thing that links to the spirits and their world. However, there might be some way to fake the dimensions, in the same was as we can draw a  cube (3-space object) on a sheet of paper (2-space projection). Maybe a 3-space projection of 127-space? Or maybe if I were to hold my mind in the proper way ...

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Reply #18 - May 18th, 2005 at 7:47pm
 
lol. Dave, thanks for planting mathematical seeds in my brain but you are one heck of a scientific mind there and I am merely scraping the top of the astral dimensions and sometimes bungle my way into the lower mental planes. nothing u say makes any sense to me but it does remind me of Einstien where he said "it's relative." I have read only one book where quantum physics is introduced to the layman, it's called The Path by Bill Cozzolino. he has diagrams in it to depict the 7 areas of consciousness and how while remaining in the center we can expand our minds to include all 7 areas but he says while immersed in experience we are in the first three layers. there is a 7th layer where we have finished experience. then he asked his guidance what happens then? he said he was told "it begins again." back to the first layer. I'm guessing society as a whole enters the fourth layer now and enters the 5th near 2012. just guessing though.www.skyhero.com/transpersonal-realm.htm

I am impressing my memory cells with the post u made about 127 and the egyptions, etc. maybe understanding will blossom later!...
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Reply #19 - May 19th, 2005 at 11:06am
 
Hi Alysia- rofl-
The dimension thing has two definitions, how we do operational measurements (a foot long, six inches wide etc), and how we discriminate between kinds of measures (in and out has nothing to do with right and left etc). Properly, the whole thing is called dimensional analysis, and forms a trivial part of topology.  Remember the teacher telling you that you can't add apples to oranges? (Ugh.)

However, when we put two ideas together, we get a third that has an added quality contained by neither of the beginners. That third quality, called synergy, The synergy over any set of dimensions (like length, width and height) gives a new set of dimensions that have properties not possessed by the beginners, and of course the beginners are there still too. Thus, three dimensions give rise to seven, and they give rise to 127 etc.

I recall the story of a guru explaining the world, "The world rests on the back of a giant Turtle." A listener protested, "But what does that turtle rest on?" The gurur replied, "It rests on the back of another turtle." Not yet satisfied, the listener repeated, "And that turtle, on what does it rest?" The guru said, "That rests on the back of yet another turtle." This went on for several minutes, until the guru finally smiled and said, "Be at peace brother. It's turtles all the way down."

Or is it all relative?
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Reply #20 - May 19th, 2005 at 1:24pm
 
Wolf:

http://www.aaevp.com/

Here's an evp link for you.  There are lots of others.  You can listen to some samples on your computer speakers.  On the left side of the page is a link for techniques.  I haven't tried it but some people take their tape recorders all over the place trying different locations.  They generally seem to get very short and unhelpful phrases but find it fascinating anyway.   You can just do a web search for electronic voice phenomenom, or EVP for short.  There is some other interesting info out there about people receiving spirit images on television screens hooked up a certain way, but that seems done less.

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Reply #21 - May 19th, 2005 at 3:50pm
 
I saw "White Noise" last night. I wasn't impressed since it was so Hollywoodized. It was ok though.

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