I was reading the story on CNN about the 46 year old sex offender that killed that little girl fron Florida and I got so upset that I wanted to explode in anger. What is the reasoning behind wanting to kidnap a little girl and then shameslessly murder her for absolutely no reason whatsoever other than to be an evil person.

Stuff like that hurts me so much and also makes me wonder. How in the world can a person be born and turn out to be a murder or a rapist who just go around and attacks innocent people. Is that something to do with mental issues or is it spiritual? There are people who kill and get kicks out of it or act like death or life behind bars is ok with them because you have zero remorse for what they are.

That is what is called being "crazy" or "insane", but I find it hard to believe that people just flip out because of some chemical imbalance or because of negative influence and kill others without motive or concern for their life. People also say that is HUMAN nature for men to self eliminate. But I honestly think there is more to this. I wanted people's opinions of this, because my theory is in the belief of demonic entities that push people to these levels of ignorance.

Because science is yet to prove what makes a normal human being all of a sudden turn crazy or how people cannot control their urges to do evil things! Is there some info that someone can provide or a theory on these things....

Thanks.

-JG

theories and thoughts welcome here and I'll not be enlightening anyone but just sharing. I think this planet is a kindergarden planet and a lot of us are having a marvelous time while a lot of us just want a ticket out. I used to be part of the group who wanted out. the person somewhere in the middle between those two ideas is probably more healthy, neither too starry eyed nor too unrealistic. Rape is an issue of control, of not feeling in control. they can have a conscious we cannot see and eventually stop their harmfulness, or society imprisons them, if they can find them. back to the kindergarden idea. the pedophile himself is emotionally stunted and feels he can relate to the child as if that child's innocense is also his own to covet. in issues of control he knows he can overpower a child, if not mentally, he's physically stronger. killing the child is his way of not having to deal with the guilt of his actions. since he's probably never been shown compassion or love, he would not know how to show it. criminal behavior from my pov begins in childhood with not enough guidance, if any, to curtail behavior such as torturing animals or anti social behavior. I don't have solutions for society as a whole but my philosophy serves me well that we can as a people one by one by one start celebrating the children we bring into the Earth instead of just feeding and clothing them. I mean by really taking an interest in them, what they are thinking and what kind of values they are developing. everybody knows this already so it sounds trite and not every abused or neglected child grows up to follow in their parent's footsteps, but we can offer ourselves hope here to notice those who do go on to make something out of their lives despite their early hard times. it won't help to get angry, perceiving victims everywhere as that only reduces you to the level of the perpetrator who also cannot control his anger and fear and what you are feeling is an expression of helplessness, and having no control the same as him. you can use the adrenalin charge however to change an unfair law, or you can become a lecturer, write a book, there are ways to deal with anger positively so it's not that it's bad. I don't believe in victimhood, as I see it as a hurdle the soul picks to overcome and the child who dies by the hand of a killer may in reality be a very highly evolved sacrificial lamb simply filling a role it had help designing, for it's own advancement and that of it's family.
this is really a difficult question you brought up and I think it bears a lot of hard thinking

 

Questions for Bob and Scotty:

1.  If some heinous sins can be prearranged before birth, as you say, then does that mean the person is committing the sin against their own will?  For example, if I go out tomorrow and murder a random person on the street and I don't know why I did it, would that mean it was all just predetermined and my own choice has nothing to do with it?

2.  In such cases of predestined crimes, does the criminal have to suffer in the afterlife for his sin, or is the sin just forgiven/forgotten because it was not his own choice?

3.  How do we know whether a particular example of sin or crime is prearranged in the spirit world, or whether it is freely chosen?  Does this mean that some people can literally get away with murder and have no punishment for it when they die, just because it was pre-planned, while other murderers end up in a hellish state when they die?  Seems kind of unjust to me.

4.  Some people argue that it is our own fear and guilt that causes us to enter a hellish state after death.  Does this mean that a murderer with no conscience, who feels no fear of God and no guilt for his heinous crime, will have a better afterlife experience than a person who committed the same sinful crime but does have a conscience and felt pangs of regret, remorse, guilt and fear of divine judgment?  If so, would it be accurate to say that the afterlife is basically an extremely unfair place, which punishes people with a better soul/conscience more than people with a thoroughly corrupt spiritual nature?

It seems to me that your theory leaves much to be desired and gives rise to confusion and absurdities.  It might be comforting to think we could all just sin like the devil if we wanted to, go around raping and killing people, and that's all fine and dandy because maybe it was all pre-planned before we were born.  But is that really a sensible view of the universe?  Not to my mind.  JMHO.

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I remember having a discussion about stealing with someone a while back.  The question was thrown out "Why don't you steal?"  ???  And he suprised me by saying, "Because I might get caught!"    Now if I wasn't in an intimate relationship with this person, we were married at the time, I wouldn't have been so disappointed with his answer because when I thought about why I wouldn't steal, the responce I came up was. " Because I wouldn't want someone stealing from me and how bad I would feel if they did".    Now I don't think that he was evil because of his responce but I do think that he might of been lacking the ability to empathize or, "Walk in anothers boots" as the NA's say.  And I also wondered what kind of hands on, experiencial exercises a teacher might come up with to help him to learn this valuable lesson? In the long run, I doubt that dictating or demanding that he should learn empathy would work, nor would punishing or threatening him work.  But maybe being robbed and feeling the pain or stealing from others and seeing the pain he has caused might help him to learn.  I don't know.  But I do know that it's not my role to judge him or call him names for this is his expericence. And if he steals my shirt, I'll give him my pants.  I know this because I did it and from a position of empathy.  Any lesser position would have harmed my own feelings about myself.

Hope my little tale helps, Love, Jean 

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Thanks for all of your insightful feedback Bob....

In essence, it seems like what you are saying is that "sin" or "evil" to us here on Earth is NOT measured the same in the Astral world or the spiritual realm, which is something I would have to come to terms with and learn about if it is true, but I do understand the sentiment.

I actually started changing my mentality based on the same thing a few years back, like for example, people in relationships view "cheating" as the worse possible thing. Once you cheat, that is it. Well, from my experience, I have seen faithful people beat their mate, ruin their finances, disrespect them, etc. to a level that would be equal to them cheating per se, yet because it is not something that warrants a conditioned response, people live with it.

I think that anything in a relationship from cheating to almost anything that society would deem to be so dreadful can be forgiven if you unconditionally love that person. Not that I would condone cheating or anything, but if a true honest mistake and lack of judgement came to be in my relationship, I would weigh the good vs. the bad instead of just acting out a conditioned action.

In relation to my questions, and the murder scenario, I do believe that sin is sin, because the Bible does teach that a lie is the SAME as murder....but the thing that bothers me about any of that is WHO YOU HURT or come against. When it is children, the only thing that does make sense, if you could make sense of any of this is what you are Alysia and Marilyn are saying. These things transcend the physical definitions of what life is about, but to be honest, it is still hard to accept and understand, whether pre-arranged or not.

And that is when I pray for understanding and continue to search for answers...thanks again for your insight.

-JG

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So, do you think this is what happened in the murder case we have been discussing in this thread?  The man killed the girl, because his soul chose it before he was even born, but he wasn't aware of that when he did it?

I am not saying this is impossible, but it do think such a view raises very difficult philosophical questions about sin, judgment, and justice.  It carries the implication that we can never really say that a particular action is necessarily wrong, not even murder of an innocent girl.  I, for one, am very uncomfortable with such a view.

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Interesting perspective.  But as for the murder issue, I would never want to come to earth to be a murderer, even though it would stave off boredom in heaven.  I don't even feel comfortable with the fact that I have any sins at all, let alone something like murder.  I constantly ask God to help me overcome the sinful thoughts in my mind.  Most of my sins are mental stuff, like jealousy, arrogance, selfishness, lack of compassion, etc.  Even these mental sins, where it's not something even approaching an act of murder, are enough to sting my conscience severely.  When I get to heaven, I know I won't be asking to come back to murder a little girl, or as a rapist, or whatever other "action" it might potentially be interesting to engage in.  My soul would simply self-destruct.  I could never live as a heinous sinner.  It is so horrible -- it violates my self-image so much (I am a person who really wants to be good and always feels bad when I do wrong) -- I simply could not accept such a fate.

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If that is the case, how do you explain hellish NDEs?  Many people who have had hellish NDEs believe it was because their lives were full of sin.

I do not believe hell is eternal, but I do believe there is just punishment, redemptive punishment, to help people overcome sin.  If a person has a life of heinous crime -- and especially if the person feels no remorse -- it seems that justice requires that the person face some kind of punishment in the afterlife.  Not eternal damnation, but a punishment that will cleanse their soul of the sinfulness.

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The problem with your cosmology is that it implies that people who feel no remorse and do not fear punishment for their crimes will have a better afterlife experience than those who know they did wrong and feel bad about it.  This idea that "you take your beliefs with you."  I don't think it's a create-your-own-reality universe we're living in.  That is solipsism.  I do not believe in solipsism.  If the universe works that way, then it is very screwed up, IMO.  I believe there is a Higher Power who is in control and works for the betterment of all souls.  Allowing souls to just wallow in their own beliefs does not foster growth.  People often need to get exactly the opposite of their beliefs when they die.  The fearful need to be comforted; the arrogant and remorseless need to be brought low.  I would like to think that is how things work.

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Well it is certainly true that Jesus taught us not to judge each other.  I agree with his philosophy and yours on this point.  But isn't it somewhat disconcerting to believe that an evil person like Hitler or Charles Manson or Osama Bin Laden could be a highly advanced soul, while a humble janitor who gives 25% of his meager salary to charity could be a weak and rotten soul?  I mean, how can a person really go through life believing this?  Don't you worry about your own soul, if you believe that even a person who tries to do a lot of good could actually be one of the worst souls?  Doesn't it seem unfair that "advanced" souls might be able to just do any horrible thing they want, without being held accountable by God for it?  I don't like that belief system one bit.  It fills me with negative thoughts.  It also contradicts the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.

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I appreciate your thoughts and your willingness to engage these issues with me.  They are indeed profound issues of concern.  One thing I would mention, however, is that according to your own stated philosophy, we really don't know how "high power" any of the people here really are.  I mean, if good people can really be bad, and bad people can really be good -- then there is basically no way to tell.  Chew on that! 

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