Also, i was interested in what people thought of Discs/Total selves.   I was wondering a while ago, if there are actually a lot less Total selves than what most first would think with all the personalities that have been and will be on earth. 
  Do the Total selves that each of us are part of, have many more personalities going on in this same time/space.  I know it is supposedly common for people to have 2 or 3 lives going on, but could it be even higher?  I mean, of course it can be higher, but i mean on average.  Has anyone received info about this?  I've met people here and there who I could swear, just by my feelings of them, that they are part of the same Total self.   Or maybe it is just vibrational similiarlarity?

Justin,

I've never attended a program at TMI.  My experience with them is the first set from the Gateway Voyage home study course -- which you mention you did the whole course. 

I have studied meditation for many years so the use of imagination as a sensing tool on the non-physical level was already known to me under different guises before I found this website. 

I think you're right in your observations about the imagination method.  Here are my thoughts on the challenges unique to both the astral projection and the mental methods.

The astral body contains, in part, our desires and has a largely emotional component.  When going out-of-body, many people experience these desires and other feelings for the first time which seem magnified.  Sometimes you're like a different person in astral than the one you're familiar with.  So learning to project astrally may involve learning to control some of those desires and feelings in order to be able to explore.  The wonderful part of astral projection is that you experience the environments and interactions similarly to your waking experience.

The mental method is less likely to have this full blown "I'm there!" feeling (although sometimes I have “phased”).  However, the difficulty here is that you're accessing these nonphysical levels by "peering" through your mental and emotional bodies in order to perceive.  So you must learn to use what you need to explore and quiet down the rest so that it doesn't impede you.  That usually requires becoming more aware of what your thoughts are and any beliefs that might actually impede this type of exploration.

As anybody whose begun a study of meditation can tell you, learning to quiet your thoughts is one of the biggest challenges.  It can be done, but it's not easy.  We live in a society where to be constantly "plugged in" to something -- the Internet, television, news, your walkman, etc.  -- is the norm. 

What a lot of people don't understand is that thoughtforms are everywhere, not just in our personal mental field, but everywhere.  Monroe refers to it as the M-Band noise.  Just as it creates a blank wall that's difficult for perception for those spirits trying to look in and perceive Here, for us incarnates it effectively creates the same blank wall making it difficult for us to look out and perceive There.  Since our everyday minds are locked into and make up part of this M-Band noise, we need to learn to shift to another frequency to perceive outside it, sort of like parting the curtains to peer outside.

Unless you're a writer, artist or performance artist, the imagination is not considered as serious a part of our minds as is the intellect.  Our intellects ARE very important and a necessary component of living on the Earth plane.  But in order to perceive and travel in these realms using the mental method, the imagination must be engaged and the intellect balanced with it.  Not always easy.

Another interesting avenue is our dreams.  Four or five years ago, I became lucid in a dream.  I decided to try and go OBE by laying down on a bed in the dream environment.  I did and everything shifted.  To say that I had an amazing set of experiences is an understatement!  But I often wondered if it was just an amazingly vivid lucid dream.

I was pretty new to astral travel back then and later found out that many experienced OBE’ers have “converted” lucid dreams to full-blown OBE’s.

Last spring I had a lucid dream where I was able to make dream characters disappear.  Then, satisfied that I’d become lucid enough, I went OBE.  However, I’d shifted my perception so well that once I lifted out of the dream environment I saw everything as energy.  I saw something huge approaching me, a mass of lines of energy, and it startled me.  I moved back, apparently toward my body and the next thing I knew I was back in the same dream environment I’d just left.  Except this time there were no people, just the rooms, walls and furniture.  I explored the dream environment for a little while longer before walking up.

So I would say that dreams are definitely another area which, when utilized properly, can also aid in exploring other realms.

Oh well.  Took a lot of words to basically say "I agree'.

Jeff

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My current understanding is that a soul can have up to 2 simultaneous lives going on. There are I'm sure a few exceptions. But the soul energy must be parsed into each incarnation holographically so having simultaneity can lower the effectiveness of each division and thus reduce the ability to influence individual human bodies/personalities. This idea I gathered from Michael Newton's books.

As far as Disc Selves simultaneously living -  they are truly innumerable. Discs refer to large groups of souls. There could be some vibratory similarities between souls of the same Disc. Probably explains why we resonate with certain people in life. Also, explains, for me on a personal level, why I only had friendships and romantic relationships with certain people. Disc Selves are by no means all alike. In fact, it would be self-defeating. Each Disc, in order to graduate from the Earth School, must gather in a rather diverse set of information about the School (e.g. how to play the Game, how it functions behind the scenes, etc.) So the Disc produces souls of all sorts of potentials and desires (vibrations?) to explore the full gamut of Earth experiences.

-mike

Justin,

As far as the definition of a Disc as the Soul or group of souls, I don't have any personal experiences to back up my view yet. The reason I assumed the Disc was a group of souls was that Bruce met up with several of his Disc members in his F27 space including two contemporaries Monroe and "Rebecca". I truly doubt M and R have the same soul as Bruce. M claims he's finished incarnating excepts perhaps for one more spin in the 3000's, and Bruce has mentioned on the board before he thinks he may have a few incarnations to go and not ready to graduate just yet.
I agree with you though that there are Discs of Discs, Discs of Disc of Discs, and so on.
With respect to astrological principles, vibrations, and incarnations. The actual formulae must be pretty complicated, in my opinion, perhaps not even quantifiable. The solar system is simply a precise clock according to Bruce's book. But determining when on the clock things should happen depends on the interplay of many different time lines of souls and events. There are experts known as Time Masters who figure out how to put events together. Maybe you are in training to become one?
-mike

Justin, yes I have been in a Yurt. LOL  I slept in one in San Andreas, CA about 12 years ago. I think they're great.  Plus I lived in a tipi for 4 months also.  

BTW, I moved from VA to Oregon last June and am now in Metaline Falls, WA where I lived for 12 years before moving to VA, so I've sorta gone full circle because my spiritual path (the Moen, Monroe path) all started here 5 1/2 years ago.   When I think of all I have learned in this amount of time, it is mind boggling.

I just wanted to add something about going OBE. I have just finished reading "Soul Journeys", Rosie McKnight's book, and her guidance told her that we don't 'truly' go out of body.  It's all a matter of going within.

And if you're ever up this way, come and see me.

Love, Mairlyn