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Reply #30 - Feb 22nd, 2005 at 7:09pm
 
Hi Guys,

Good questions, Roger, and I am enjoying reading all of the responses.  The question about why God allows natural disasters and the following dialogue alluding to the question of whether or not God "picks and chooses" who to "save" or help or allow to perish.  For me, this has been a lifelong dillema and I have had that question posed to me SO many times by people feeling angry with the Creator.  I have decided that to me, it is not so much about WHY things happen or FOR what reason, but rather WHAT reason can I make of what has happened for me as an individual?  I mean, when we talk about life, reincarnation, etc. we are not simply talking about a single event but a series of events which shape, affect and create the essence of many lives.  If one man lives through a plane crash, then his time is not come, it may even be a second chance to finish something, may be an opportunity to examine things in his life that bear scrutiny. I in no way think humans are spared from tragedy simply because they ascribe to a certain religious belief.  I DO believe, however, that spirit help is there and that we have the power to call upon that help.  Is it really external or inernal?  Quite the question if you consider the idea that God is not as much outside of ourselves but more a physical part of each of us through his gift of life, his energy.  When another dies there may be many people in his/her life which will be affected. Who is to say that there is not one among them that will benefit in some way from the passing of this person.  If one is to take stock in Michael Newton's works, it could have been a prearrangement of sorts from the beginning of their lives.  MY question is, why is it that when something like the Tsunami or 911 happens, then it is a tragedy, but when thousands of people die in wars daily or monthly it is not? I consider it as great a tragedy that a small child is beaten to death by parents who do not love it or want it, or when someone dies from exposure because they cannot afford to pay their fuel bill, or someone is killed on the highway because yet another human being needs to be where THEY want to be just that much more than being cautious.  I agree with what was written above about this Creation being on its own without God guiding every single event.  We seem able to understand and accept free will when it allows us the comfort of doing what we want without having to justify it, but we cannot accept that free will exists in all things.  Personally, I also feel many of our "natural" disasters are not all that natural as what we are doing to the planet has surely affected many forces of nature.  The only way I can accept or understand God in my own mind and heart is comaparing the God Source to my own feelings as a parent. I do not believe God to be angry or vengeful or any of the things we ascribe to our human nature.  PUL is not an emotional thing. It is quite ligical really. There is nothing for which we are not forgiven if only we can forgive ourselves and in doing so there is no way to not forgive all others. THIS is what God wants.  Do we have conditions on how we love our children?  Do we not want to embrace them even when they have done things wrong?  Do we stop loving them because they are not perfect?  Anyway, just some of my thoughts here.  This is a great topic by the way. 

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Reply #31 - Feb 23rd, 2005 at 1:51pm
 
Hi Cheryl

One of your statements profoundly expresses what must be a top priority for our spiritual quest:

"To me, it is not so much about WHY things happen or FOR what reason, but rather WHAT reason can I make of what has happened for me as an individual."

The best answers to the why question can only clear away our mental debris that robs us of our transformational potential.  Frequently, theological or philosophical clarity is little more than a booby prize because it offers us just enough spirituality to inoculate us against the real thing.

I suspect that much emotional harm has been inflicted by the King James mistranslation of Romans 8:28: "We know that all things work together for good to those who love God."  The better modern translations are more faithful to the Greek: "We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love Him."  This translation makes it clear that "all things" may be conspiring against you, things that God never intended for you.  things that make God's Spirit "groan" in empathy with you (so the poetic image of Romans 8:26). In the face of tragedy, God longs to  create circumstances that help us salvage something beautiful out of a tragic situation.  What God needs from us is the "holy perception" of our predicament that this can happen.

Joseph beautifully expresses your attitude in his climactic confrontation with the brothers who had intially planned to kill him, but instead sold him into slavery.  Joseph has risen from slave to vice regent of Egypt and, through a clairvoyant dream, has glimpsed a coming famine and helped Egypt prepare for it.  He reassures his terrified brothers:

"Don't be afraid.  Am I in the place of God?  You intended to harm me, but God intended this for good, to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives (Genesis 50:20)."
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Reply #32 - Feb 23rd, 2005 at 8:57pm
 
Hi Don,

Actually, one of my very favorite Bible stories to this day.  And a perfect example of PUL and forgiveness.  Yes, indeed what King James has done to change the original idealogy behind the words.  I have been searching for more works which have a more direct translation of the original text where available. I was raised Southern Baptist but always had my own sense of what God was.  I just couldn't buy the idea that when I was six, Jesus loved me no matter what color, race, or creed, but when I turned thirteen, he became angry, judgemental and only liked Baptists! Hmmm. It has been my great pleasure coming to my own relationship with my Creator and I find the "mysteries" quite invigorating.  Sometimes it is as simple as letting go.

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Reply #33 - Mar 8th, 2005 at 5:47pm
 
I will try to bring this thread to a close by finally responding to the questions Roger posed on p. 2 (reply #19) in response to my life-changing spiritual experiences reported on p. 1 (reply 14 with reference also to reply #9):

"Two questions here--are we able to replicate the level and intensity and purity of PUL that you received from God?  Or if not, would something short of that suffice?  And if we can't feel even affection, how do we instil such an emotion towards a God that some of us simply do not know?"

I will gradually respond with 3 planned posts.  My first post will deal with the importance of achieving right-brain dominance.  My 2nd post will give two examples of how right-brain dominance played a decisive role in facilitating a life-changing encounter with God.  The 3rd post will share some very simple principles which, if correctly practiced, will (I believe) make such a life-changing encounter with God inevitable.  [I'll submit my first post tonight.]
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Reply #34 - Mar 8th, 2005 at 8:42pm
 
THE IMPORTANCE OF ACHIEVING
RIGHT-BRAIN DOMINANCE

To prevent death in extreme cases of epilepsy, doctors sometimes sever the corpus collosum, the nerve bundle that separates the brain's two hemispheres.  Experiments with these patients confirm the theory that the left brain is the seat of language and logic and the right brain is the seat of intuition, insight, perceptual organization, and spacial relations.  In function, the nerve signals from these brain halves act in an X crossover.  The left brain controls the right side of the body, and the right brain controls the left.  

For example, a patient can easily identify and describe a pencil placed in his right hand when the hand is out of view and behind a screen, but is unable to do this for a pencil similarly placed in his left hand.  Information from the left hand goes to the right brain which lacks language.  But if one places an object in the right hand when it is out of view and asks the patient to use this hand to select the same type of object from a group of various types of objects, the right hand cannot do this, but the left hand easily succeeds because it is governed by the right brain which specializes in perceptual and spatial relations.

The left brain remembers the name, but the rigfht brain remembers the face.  When a female patient viewing a series of slides was presented with a picture of a pin-up nude on the left side of her visual field, she was unable to identify the slide, but squirmed, smiled, looked uncomfortable, and finally remarked, "Oh, that funny machine!"  

Current theory suggests that we shift hemisphere dominance many times during a day's tasks.  These shifts suggest a four-stage process of creativity:

(a) Preparation (left-brain dominance): a period of baffled struggle in which one tries to solve the problem within one's existing cognitive structures
(b) Incubation (right-brain dominance): One gives up, exhausted, and relaxes active use of the existing cognitive structures.
(c) Illumination (right brain dominance): Insight is created by the emergence of new, more appropriate cognitive strucures.  As Einstein put it, "The words or the language, as they are written or spoken, do not seem to play any role in my mechanism of thought."
(d) Verification (Left brain dominance): The "happy" idea must now be elaborated or tested against experience to find out if works.

Here are just two examples of how this shift in dominance led to scientific breakthroughs:
(a) Archemides' Discovery of the Principle of Specific
    Gravity:
Archimedes (287-212 BC) was assigned the task of determining whether his ruler's new crown was solid gold as alleged.  He knew that silver and gold had different weights, but he needed to know the exact volume of the crown to test its composition.  It seemed an endless task to measure the thickness at each point along its face (preparation). While puzzling over this problem, he went to the baths (incubation).  Suddenly, as he stepped into the water, he had it!  He noticed that the water level of the pool rose slightly as he stepped into it.  He could determine the volume of the crown by the amount of water it displaced (illuminaton).  Verification through replication was easily achieved.

(b) Kekule's Discovery of the Benzene Ring:
For days he had been working on the problem of the molecular structure of these hydrocarbons, without success (preparation).  In frustration one afternoon he dozed off by the fire (incubation).  He had a dream about dancing atoms seizing their own tail like a snake.  "As if by lightning I awoke." Kekule's insight was that the structure of benzene
was not a chain but a closed ring like a snake biting its own tail (Illumination).  This insight led to one of the cornerstones of modern science.

Robert Monroe's Hemi-Sync process holds promise and potential in tapping the right brain's intuition and perception to facilitate quality OBEs (FJ 18-19).
OBE adept, Ingo Swann was the subject of several experiments in which he attempted to travel in an OBE through a wall to identify various targets in a box near the ceiling.  The type of response errors that Swann made with concrete targets suggested right-brain processing.  For instance, he was successful with the color and shape of the targets, but generally could not name the object.

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Reply #35 - Mar 10th, 2005 at 1:34pm
 
A 4-STAGE PROCESS FOR SPIRITUAL TRANSFORMATION OR CONVERSION

The sequence of uneasiness and solution in the typical process of spiritual transformation often proceeds through 4 stages analogous to those involved in the creative process just discussed:

    Spiritual Stage   Dominant Brain  Creativity Stage
1. existential crisis  left                    preparation
2. self-surrender     right                  incubation
3. new vision           right                  illumination
4. new life                left                    verification

1. Existential Crisis (left brain dominance):
There is a dissatisfyiing discrepancy between what is and what one feels ought to be with regard to one or more basic life questions.  If these questions can neither be buried by more pressing problems nor solved within existing cognitive structures, an existential crisis results.

2. Self-Surrender (right brain): Trying and failing to regain existential meaning drives one to the point of despair and hopelessness, so that there is a loss of disciplined focus or at least diminished contact with one's day-to-day reality.  The grip of one's old way of thinking about the crisis loosens.

3. New Vision (right brain): A dawning new outlook transcends the old way of thinking based on the old cognitive structures and thus feels "bestowed" from a transendent realm outside of oneself. 

4. New Life (left brain): The converts often speak of a new "state of assurance" which includes (i) a loss of worry, especially loss of those concerns that produced the crisis, (ii) a new sense of truth in which mysteries of life become more lucid and empowering, (iii) a sense of newness to the objects in one's environment, and (iv) a new zest for life and an increased affection for others.  In short, one can deal more effectively with a wider range of experiences and people. 

Stage 4 is essential to the creative conversion process because, after stage 3, some people allow their restored left brain dominance to warp their perspective on their conversion, so that they either escape into otherworldly fantasies or impose rigid conceptualizations on their experience in the form of dogmatic beliefs and rules of conduct. 

(a) First Example: ST. AUGUSTINE (354-430 AD):
Existential Crisis:  Augustine was a troubled youth.  He was often caned in school, sexually active to the point of fathering a child out of wedlock, and after 11 years of devotion to a strange cult (Manichaeism), he became a disillusioned skeptic.  He describes his dramatic conversion to Chrisitanity thus: "Troubled in mind and countenance, I turned to Alypius: `What ails us?  What is it?  What have you heard?  The unlearned...take heaven by force, and we with our learning, and without heart--just look at us wallow in flesh and blood!  Are we ashamed to follow because others have gone before...?'  Such words I uttered, but...my forehead, cheeks, eyes, color, tone of voice, spoke my mind more than the words I uttered.

Self-Surrender: He then retreated in anguish to a small garden, threw himself down under a fig tree and cried to God for an end  to his spiritual impurity.

New Vision: "So was I speaking and weeping in the most bitter contrition of heart when I heard from a neighboring house a voice (I don't know whether it was a boy's or a girl's voice.) chanting and often repeating, `Take up and read; take up and read.'  Instantly my countenance altered.  I began to speculate on whether children were inclined in any kind of play to sing such words: nor could I recall ever having heard the like.  So checking the torrent of my tears, I arose; interpreting it to be none other than a command from God to open the book and read the first chapter I should find...I seized, opened, and in silence read that section on which my eyes first fell, `Not in drunken orgies, nor in sexual promiscuity and a lack of moral restraint, nor in rivalry or jealousy; but put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and stop obsessing about ways to indulge your fleshly desires (Romans 13:13-14).'  No further would I read; nor needed I to do so: for instantly at the end of this sentence, the light of serenity filled my heart and all the darkness of doubt vanished away."

New Life: From this experience St. Augustine went on to become bishop of Hippo and one of the most influential Catholic theologians of all time.  He wrote the first spiritual autobiography in history.

(b) 2nd Case: A 28-YEAR-OLD AIR FORCE OFFICER
Existential Crisis: He had been born into a wealthy family, but his parents had divorced on his 16th birthday.  Shortly thereafter, he began to drink heavily and use a variety of drugs, narrowly escaping being expelled from school.  After graduation, he joined the Air Force.  But his drug use did not stop; it intensified, as did a general sense of depression and personal worthlessness.  In a desperate attempt to fight the depression, he threw himself into his job, often working over 100 hours a week.  Although these work binges produced considerable success and recognition, they invariably ended in exhaustion, booze, drugs, and more depression.

Self-Surrender:  Finally, while stationed in Berlin, he sought a 10-day leave to rest and recover, for he feared he was on the verge of a nervous breakdown.  He went on a retreat to the Alps.  While there, he walked out one morning and sat quietly on a mountainside, trying to get some perspective on things.  He felt lost and desperately in need of something to take control of his life.

New Vision:  Suddenly he knew that he'd found it.  Previously only a nominal Catholic, he now began to feel an unexpected assurance that God existed, and more importantly, that God cared about him him and accepted him just as he was.  And if God did that, then he could now care about and accept himself.  A cloud had been rising from the valley toward him when he sat down.  As it approached, the feeling of being lost intensified.  Then the cloud engulfed him in a fog.  It was in the midst of this fog that he felt assurance that God was in control of his life.  As the fog passed, he found that "there was a whole new me inside."  This change was underscored by a changed perception of his physical surroundings; there was now a warm, luminous glow to everything.  The green valley, the white clouds, the trees, the grass were all bathed in an almost iridescent light. 

New Life: Though it was several years before his spiritual transformation was complete, the young man is convinced that this experience  saved his life.  The sense of contact with God that began there has stayed with him ever since; indeed, he now considers his mountaintop experience to be rather bland compared with the experience he has each day of the loving presence of God.





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Reply #36 - Mar 13th, 2005 at 10:19pm
 
This is my last post before summer.  I offer these tidbits in response to private messages and Roger's request for tips about how to attract a wonderful experience of the divine.  I offer only a starting point stripped of extensive theological doctrines which would immerse you in a left-brain mentality.  I encourage you to print this post out and play with my suggestions in your own way at your own pace. 
   
1. GOD ADDRESS: THE RIGHT BRAIN

When people in crisis exclaim, "Where is God?"  I feel like replying, "God is a little bearded man sitting on an elegant little throne in you right brain.  What I mean is that no one ever experiences OBEs, or more importantly, God's loving presence through left-brain dominance, which unfortunately defines my state of mind during my prior token work with the Gateway CDs. 
Right-brain dominance is the key to becoming a "player" in the subtle game of spiritual progress.
In my view, the first rule of a healthy spiritual quest is to stop "trying" to believe.  Make "try" a swear word.  Trying is a mentality that traps you in left-brain dominance and is incompatible with the first key stage of a spiritual breakthrough, self-surrender [See my prior post.]  Jesus instead taught us to boldly act on the assumption that we have all the faith we need. 

The second rule is to reach a point where you are not content merely to explore ideas and arguments.
Instead, focus on methods and techniques that offer the hope of creating the ideal right-brain dominance to achieve a spiritual breakthrough.  What I now share is a method that works for me and which I have never seen fail to work for others in their search for sacred experiences.  It is a distinctly Christian system. 

2. GOD'S TELEPHONE  NUMBER:

To experience God's loving presence, it helps to attune your mind to God's lofty vibrational frequency.  The simplist way to do this is to memorize and regularly meditate upon a prayer of intense longing that captures the essence of Christian spirituality.  Do this until the longings expressed by the prayer become your own deepest longings.  In my view, nothing serves this purpose better than the Prayer of St. Francis:

"LORD, MAKE ME AN INSTRUMENT OF YOUR PEACE.
WHERE THERE IS HATRED, LET ME SOW LOVE;
WHERE THERE IS INJURY, LET ME SOW PARDON;
WHERE THERE IS DOUBT, FAITH;
WHERE THERE IS DESPAIR, HOPE;
WHERE THERE IS DARKNESS, LIGHT;
WHERE THERE IS SORROW, JOY.

O DIVINE MASTER, GRANT THAT I MAY NOT SO
MUCH SEEK TO BE CONSOLED AS TO CONSOLE;
TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS TO UNDERSTAND;
TO BE LOVED AS TO LOVE.
FOR IT IS IN GIVING THAT WE RECEIVE;
IT IS IN PARDONING THAT WE ARE PARDONED;
AND IT IS IN DYING THAT WE ARE BORN TO ETERNAL LIFE.  AMEN

3. YOUR SACRED SPACE

Once you know God's phone number and address, you need transportation to get there.  The best transportation can be found in a sacred space.  I wager that a church would not yet do the trick for most of you.  I recommend a beautiful quiet outdoor spot at the end of a lovely walk.  My favorite sacred spot is a picnic table under a canopy beside Honeoye Lake  in the Finger Lakes region of New York.  To get there, I walked about 1/3 mile along a forest trail that took me over a couple of quaint wooden bridges over large streams.  To this day, I treasure a certain spot on that trail where I was clairvoyantly made aware that I would shortly meet a new couple for whom I would play an important spiritual role.  They needed a healing miracle and our prayers for this were granted.   We became good friends.  We all have different tastes; so pick a spot that evokes a sense of peace and serenity.  Perhaps, you would prefer an indoor spot, say, a quiet room in your house or a small chapel in a church. 

Once you have identified your sacred spot, regularly perform two distinct meditations there.
The first meditation contains 3 stages:
(a) Begin by feeling awe and gratitude for the beauty of your surroundings and for the blessings in your life.  (b) Then seek a state of harmony with everyone in your life.  Do this by confessing your shortcomings to God and allowing yourself to feel forgiven.  Then consciously release all your hidden grudges against people who have hurt you.  Don't worry about whether you believe a loving God is actually listening to you.  At this stage, you can at least achieve a deeper self-acceptance through silent confession.  (c) Then and only then ask for specific needs of yourself and others to be met.  You don't need to believe anything to formulate simple petitions.  As you do this, keep two things in mind: (i) This is an experiment you can abandon at any time.  (ii) God promises to meet the needs behind the request rather than our specific request.  We don't always know what is best for us. 

The second meditation should be directed to the implications of this divine promise:

FOR I KNOW THE PLANS I HAVE FOR YOU, DECLARES THE LORD, PLANS TO PROSPER YOU AND NOT TO HARM YOU, PLANS TO GIVE YOU HOPE AND A FUTURE....YOU WILL SEEK ME AND FIND ME WHEN YOU SEEK ME WITH ALL YOUR HEART (Jeremiah 29:11, 13).

In your sacred space, you meditate on this promise by asking yourself what changes you are willing to make in the event that God communes with your spirit in a life-transforming way.  Would you be willing to use your gifts to serve God?  What might that entail?  Would you be willing to search for a compatible church to develop PUL with other like-minded people?  And what would a compatible church look like?  I suggest that you not consider churches simply by denomination.  I also suggest that doctrinal agreement should be a lower priority than a church where you quickly sense God's presence and power. For both meditations, take as much or as little time as you are comfortable with.

I will periodically check my private mail on this site.  So if this strategy interests you, I would be delighted to discuss your progress.  It's been inspiring to sense the honest spiritual quests of many posters on this site.

Good-bye for now,
Don


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Reply #37 - Mar 24th, 2005 at 9:23am
 
Your writings have had a great impact on my search for a more spiritual life.
Specially last posting....
God bless you.
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Reply #38 - Mar 27th, 2005 at 1:09am
 
Here is Seth on God and being a part of God:

Seth (Session 204): "There is no real division between you and God and I-only a unity you can not as yet understand…Your finger is a part of your physical organism…It does not know what your brain is doing…Your toenail is also a part of you…In the same way we are related to God. You are a part of God in that you are  part of the consciousness that is, but you are not apart from a god who looks down on you and speaks…There is…no hell or heaven. These ideas have been distorted through the ages…You could call hell a separation from the mainstream of consciousness called God, but this is impossible actually…I do not want to puncture idealistic balloon. Buddhists are perhaps closer, but no religion comes close really...The man or woman feeling identity with each day that passes comes close. Sentiment is practical. The idea of birth each day is close. Those who cry when they hurt a flea come close. Those who appreciate the consciousness in every rock, tree, bird come close. Hatred is death. All things are sacred and every thought is a reality and has it own potential for creation and destruction. Experiencing every moment comes close…Any idea of a God, no mater how distorted, will triumph, for He exists in everything that you know. And when you kill so much as an ant, so do you kill part of Him in most practical terms."

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Reply #39 - Mar 27th, 2005 at 6:46pm
 
Barrie,

Even though your quote is a great one, but  I believe those who doesn't read Seth can be easily misinterpret. IMO the following  from the "Dreams,Evolution and Value Fullfilment" express more correctly Seth explanation about the nature of the "God"

"Creation occurs in each moment, in your terms. The illusion of time itself is being created NOW. IT is therefore somewhat futile to look for the origins of the Universe by using a time scheme that is itself, at the very least, highly relative.

Your NOW, or present moment, is a psychological platform. It seems that the universe began with an initial burst of energy of some kind. Evolutionists cannot account for its cause.

Many Religious people believe that a GOD exists in a larger dimension of reality, and that he created the Universe while being himself outside of it.

He set it into motion. Many individuals, following either persuasion, believe that regardless of its source, the universe must run out of energy.

Established science is quite certain that NO energy can now be created or destroyed, but only transformed. Science sees energy and matter as being basically the same thing, appearing differently under varying circumstances.

In certain terms, science ans religion are BOTH dealing with the idea of an objectively created universe. Either GOD *made it*, or physical matter, in some unexplained manner was formed after an initial explosion of energy and consciousness emerged from that initially dead matter in a way yet to be explained Instead, consciousness FORMED matter. As I have said before, each atom and molecules has its own consciousness. Consciousness and matter are one, but consciousness INITIATES the transformation of energy into matter.

In those terms, the *beginning* of your universe was a triumph in the expansion of consciousness, as it learned to translate itself into physical form.

The universe emerged into actuality IN THE SAME WAY, but in different degree, that any idea emerges from what you think of a subjectivity into physical expression.

The consciousness of each reader of this book EXISTED before the universe was formed (in your terms), but that consciousness was UN MANIFESTED.

Your closest approximation- and it is an approximation ONLY--of the state of being that existed before the universe was formed is the dream state.

I will purposely avoid using the word GOD, because of the connotations placed upon it by conventional Religion. I will make an attempt to explain the characteristics of this divine process, that I call the process "All That Is".

All That Is is so much a part of its creations that it is almost impossible to separate the "creator from its creations", for each creation also carries indelibly within it the characteristics of its source.

Each portion of consciousness is a part of All That Is (a process, not a thing), and that the universe falls together in an spontaneous, divine order and each portion of consciousness carries within it indelibly the knowledge of the whole.



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Reply #40 - Feb 2nd, 2006 at 10:11pm
 
DATES WITH DESTINY

We've been discussing whether any of our life experiences are divinely scripted.  I want to share 3 experiences that bolster my conviction that at least some key events are predestined.

This date with destiny arrived at an anxious period of my life.  I was in my last year of Princeton Seminary's MDiv program.  I had recently changed my plans and now wanted admittance to the Harvard doctoral program in Scripture and Judaism.  But I lacked the requisite specialized courses and two of my friends' applications to this program had been rejected.  I was assured that I had no chance either.  But what would I do then?

One night [yet another] Roger came to my dorm room.  Roger and I had taken a class together and had once had lunch with a group of guys in the cafeteria.  Beyond this, I didn't know if he cared whether I lived or died.  Yet that night he came enveloped in an atmospere of PUL.  [Both Roger and I are straight guys!]  He knew I was anxious about my Harvard application.  He told me that he had been praying for me and had received assurance that I'd be accepted.  I normally experience such pious assurances as well-intentioned wishful thinking.  But this was different: in the presence of that PUL Roger's assurance became my own.  I thanked him, but to this day Roger has no idea how grateful I am for his prayers.

Shortly thereafter, I had a date with destiny tinged with intrigue and synchronicity.  Ann was my friend John's girlfriend--or so I assumed.  I liked her.  She had been a source of comfort after news of a friend's untimely death.  But unknown to me, John had just broken off the relationship.  Ann seemed to assume that John and I had conversed about the impending break-up, but we had not.  An anonymous caller had told her that she was unstable and unfit for seminary.  Evidently the caller sounded just like me.  To my horror, she stormed over to my room and angrily accused me of making this call.  I was in despair.  How does one defend oneself against such a  false charge?

In the heat of her harangue, the pay phone rang in the hall.  It was for me.  It was the Harvard professor who controlled the Dead Sea Scrolls.  He called to tell me I'd been accepted into Harvard's doctoral program with a nice scholarship.  How awesome was the shift in my emotional state from despair to a powerful sense of God's loving and vindicating presence!  When I returned to my room, Ann angrily asked, "Who was that?"  When I told her, she was stunned and her expression became uncertain.  During the ensuing awkward pause, she suddenly asked, "Are you all right?"  I said, "Sure, why?"  She replied, "Just look at your pants!"  Blood was gushing from the palm of my right hand and covering my pants.  Now I'm not Catholic, and so, have never believed in the stigmata (the bleeding hands of Jesus, first experienced by St. Francis).  But Ann evidently did.  She saw the timing of my Harvard acceptance and my stigmatic experience as signs of my innocence and sheepishly excused herself.  This left me wondering what might have caused such bleeding.  I went to my door to see if I might have cut my hand when I opened it, but was never able to come up with a satisfactory explanation.  This whole episode overwhelmingly confirmed for me that God's script for my life at least included doctoral studies in early Christianity and Judaism.

(2) My parents and younger brother D (age 18) helped me move to Cambridge.  D was happy for me, but sad about his own life.  He worked hard, but his high school grades were mediocre.  After they dropped me off, my Dad and D went on a bus tour of New York City.   D was deeply moved by all the derelicts and homeless people he saw in the streets.   Just then, he received his call to be a doctor.  

When he returned home, he went to the Med School, announced his new intention, and asked for more information.  The admissions officer took one look at his grades and laughed: "Forget it!  your grades are low and admissions to Med School are highly competitive."  D snapped, "Grades won't be a problem!"  False bravado?  Hardly.  D sailed through the honors microbiology program with straight A+s.  I was delirious with joy for him.  His date with destiny had suddenly made him a brain.

When D entered Med School, he bought me a Moving Star sapphire ring for Christmas.  Because this gift stems from the most transformative period of D's life, it ranks as my most treasured possession.  D is currrently practicing medicine in Colorado.  I often wonder whether the exorcism he had performed at age 16 was part of his calling to be a healer [On this see my "Agenda" post.].

(3) I've saved my most important life experience for last.  I was 16 and well on my way to becoming an agnostic.  I was detecting problems with biblical authority and  was growing increasingly cynical about the charismatic manifestations I was witnessing in my Pentecostal church.  For example, I had experienced the intense ecstasy of speaking in tongues.  I knew this experience was potent enough to cure heroine addiction.   But I now thought my own experiences of this could be explained naturally as the product of wishful thinking and manipulation.

But I was going to give God one last chance.  I went to Manhattan Beach Camp in Western Manitoba.  After the evening services, people would tarry at the front and get swept away by ecstasy.  But not me!  Empty and disillusioned, I went for a long walk in the country.  I told God I was at a crossroads.  If He wanted my allegiance, He had to bless me in a convincing fashion, almost against my will.  I felt that this demand bordered on blasphemy, but I was desperate.  That evening, I fasted for the evening meal and put the money reserved for it in the offering plate.  As usual, I knelt without emotion at the front after the service.  Eventually, everyone left but me.  My heart felt like stone.  My fists were clenched in my determination not to give way to a contrived experience sparked by my pressing need.

It was then that I was immersed in the most transforming experience of my life.  One moment I was defiant and resistant, the next I was swept up in what I can only describe as the "wind" of the Holy Spirit.  Acts 2 mentions that the early church's first outpouring of the Spirit was preceded by "a rushing mightly wind," but I had never taken this image seriously.  Now I had to!

Seemingly against my will, I was possessed by the Holy Spirit.  With each passing moment I was engulfed by wave after wave of liquid love.  The intensity of this love increased dramatically with each wave until it became so powerful I feared I might die.  I felt as if my ego might at any second be absorbed in the divine mind.  It is heart-breaking to even try to describe it.  I can only say that the experience of the sweetness and goodness of God's love was over 100 times more powerful than anything I've experienced before or since.  The whole episode lasted about a half hour.

Soon spectators started trickling into the deserted amphitheatre and quiety sat down to watch me.  I asked one of them why she was there and she said, "Because your face is glowing!"  A stoic Lutheran minister approached me to ask if I would lay hands on him.  He was visiting out of curiosity and wasn't into this sort of thing.  But the instant I touched him it was as if I had electricuted him!  He exploded in other tongues and was enveloped by ecstasy.  At that moment, if you had brought me a blind person, I would have had no doubt that he would have been healed.

But there is a sobering dark side to this adventure.  When it ended, I tried in vain to recreate it in my mind.  My memory bank had nothing with which to compare it.  The contrast with normal consciousness was depressing.  And then there was the disturbing message that the Spirit impressed upon me during the experience.  The Spirit told me that my theology was flawed, but it was simply not His way to dictate the truth to me.  He said that living the right questions was more important for me than believing any answers.  He encouraged me to make it my lifelong quest to probe His mystery.  He even gave me the impression that He wanted me to forget about speaking in tongues now and to have the denomination in which I was reared.  These messages were not dictated to me.  They came in what Robert Monroe would call a rote, a ball of thought that needed to be contemplated and unraveled.  This event has defined the course of my life.

After this experience I became clairvoyant in many ways for several years.  For example, I often knew when certain people would die.  Once when I was about to leave my apartment, an inner voice yelled, "Sit down, you're going to hear about a death that will affect your life."  At once the phone rang.  It was the chair of my Theology department, saying, "The professor who was supposed to teach the summer grad course in Scripture was just found dead in bed, and you're the only one around who can teach his course.  Will you do it?"  I gladly accepted this assignment.  

On another occasion, I was playing bridge with some Education professors.  A colleague, Joe, had just died of cancer and his widow, Elie (another Education professor) was in mourning.  After the bridge, I suddenly found myself saying to Paul (the Dean), "Elie has been contacted by Joe and is wondering if her experience is real.  Tell her I can assure her that it is indeed real."  Curious, Paul contacted Elie and told her what I had said.  She confirmed that she and her family had just returned from Pennsylvania.  In the car, the family erupted into laughter for the first time since Joe's funeral.  Ellie was in the back seat, when she suddenly had a waking vision of Joe from the waist up--laughing.  He telepathically communicated to her, "This is the way I want to see you.  I'm OK.  Don't worry about me."  Elie had told no one of this experience.  These examples could be multiplied.  

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Wow, that is an amazing post!  I don't even know what else to say...

When you had the stigmata, was it painful?  Just curious. 

Wow...
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Polly,

I would like to claim that I deliberately relocated this post to the front to use it in my discussion with the site's skeptics and to inject my stigmatic experience into a new post's treatment of this subject.   But in fact I was merely trying to cannibalize it for personal use when I messed up and somehow caused it to appear here. LOL!  But to look on the bright side, this thread expresses my religious views and my most important spiritual experiences better than any of my other threads.  So skeptics can use it as a frame of reference.

Anyway to answer your question, I was so stunned by Anne's false accusation and the amazing synchronistic acceptance call from the Harvard professor who controlled the Dead Sea scrolls that I was in shock and felt no pain from the stigmata.  I never believed in stigmata prior to my own experience of this phenomenon.  

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Reply #43 - Feb 3rd, 2006 at 3:11pm
 
Don,

THANK YOU for writing this. I helps to know someone's inner motivation when reading posts. My respect for you and my understanding of your intentions just grew in leaps and bounds, not that you require either from me...

"I can only say that the experience of the sweetness and goodness of God's love was over 100 times more powerful than anything I've experienced before or since"

That wonderful lady you see to the left gave me a similiar experience.

Thanks again.

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Thanks Rob,

I've had my own mystical experience of Mary, though I'm not Catholic.   I'm planning a future thread on the MAJOR apparitions of Mary that will point to some common denominators that characterize many of her appearances. To me, her last major appearances (still ongoing) at Medjugorje in Bosnia--Herzegovina are the most interesting because of their prophetic relevance to the Moen-Monroe astral "Gathering", the Mayan Calendar, and New Age speculation about the year 2012 as a time of major earth changes.   It is also worth investigating whether she serves as a corrective to the overmasculinization of God in Western theological thought.  Even the Bible contains neglected feminine imagery of God.   At any rate some of Mary's  manifestations display interesting parallels to vision of the ancient Egyptian goddess, Isis.

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