Have you had experiences of synchronous events which seemed to "speak" to you in some way? As if these events were a subtle message to you? Feel free to describe.

All events are synchronous.   

What about you seagull; will you volunteer a synchronous event that you have noticed? I expect you have noticed some. 

But....I asked you first.

Alright then.

These are just a few oddities which occurred over a couple of days.

1) I was having an email conversation with a family member, who mentioned how he had had hot dogs for dinner the night before. Along with apple pie. Mmmm. Pie. Warm pie. I mentioned that I had some veggie "dogs" in the fridge, and that they were tasty with the right condiments. Later, I was heading home on my tiny scooter, which I ride everywhere, on the streets, in the bike lanes, on the sidewalk. I passed a young woman talking into her cellphone and distinctly heard her say, "We're going to have hot dogs," and that was all, as I whizzed by. It was amusing. I proceeded to go buy some sauerkraut, which is delicious on a veggie dog.

2)  I recently posted a John Denver song on the forum, over in the spiritual healing section of this forum. He's a memory of mine, not someone to whom I actively listen. I rarely listen to the radio. It is just a song that occurred to me in that moment. I looked on Netflix last night and saw a John Denver documentary prominently displayed in the titles page and watched it. I learned a lot about him, but mainly enjoyed the loving descriptions of him by those who knew him. I've never seen that listing there on Netflix before.

These are just tiny little things that could mean nothing.

But, on the "hot dog" day I was feeling particularly vulnerable after a recent loss. I had been looking at a few photographs of a loved one who recently passed away, and realized it was too soon for that. Additionally, I had picked up a photograph at home that morning and had seen a lot of very small dots on the photograph that looked like orbs surrounding her peaceful, sleeping face as she took a nap with her dog.  I wondered, where did these dots come from and why do they look exactly like orbs? The photograph is usually on a bulletin board away from any action.

Later that day, I received a beautiful card from a relative far away, a card that meant a great deal to me. All these things worked together to lift my spirits in a way I could not have anticipated.

These are not easy things to describe to others. They are not easy things to believe are some kind of subtle signs. But, go ahead and give it a try, if you like.

seagull wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 10:42am:

... All these things worked together to lift my spirits in a way I could not have anticipated. These are not easy things to describe to others. They are not easy things to believe are some kind of subtle signs. But, go ahead and give it a try, if you like.

Thanks. Yes I know you asked first but I was curious.

Those you mentioned are personal things, and it seems they came at the right time too.

I will probably put up a post about it later. 

Some people might say there is no such thing as coincidences, but how about this event?

Years ago (I've been at my current job for more than 22 years) I drove into San Francisco one day for a job interview. Rather than pay for downtown parking I parked my car in the Southern part of the city, and rode BART (San Francisco's subway) to downtown.

As I walked from my car to the BART station a young lady walked in front of me and noticed me. We both got on the same BART car. We got off at the same stop. We walked into the same building and got on the same elevator (there are a lot of buildings in downtown SF). We got off on the same floor.

I didn't want her to be concerned and told her, "Look, I have an interview here," and showed her the piece of paper I had with the firm's address. She smiled.

As far as I know I never saw this lady again. So I guess there was no synchronicity with how events played out.

I believe coincidences are possible just as free will is possible. The Universe wouldn't have free will if coincidences weren't allowed to take place. Related to this, not every bad event that takes place in this World is needed. Sometimes it is a matter of people not using their free will in a way that benefits others.

I also believe that synchronicities take place. For example, Bruce Moen started this forum so I can post on it.  ;D Just kidding, but if you look at the count, you'll see that I've posted here quite a bit.

Well, Bruce did say he was enjoying the ride.

I liked your story. Maybe she was a spirit guide.

Here is one for romantics. When young and while travelling about, I read a poem in a local paper by an anonymous author about conflicting values and dilemmas of life. I decided to write an anonymous response addressing the issues and it came out in the next edition. Later I met the lady I would marry. I was surprised one day when she told me she had written the poem in the paper.      

We should not get carried away by coincidences though. Just as correlation does not prove causation, and seeming contradiction does not prove falsity, so too, coincidence does not prove connection. There can be other facts at play that account for the occurrence. 

Emotions are essentially likes & dislikes, wants & not-wants, desires for and against, so emotions naturally gain a sense of confirmation from suggestive occurrences. That sense of confirmation can be false though.   

Aww...1796, what a lovely example. 

During times when I spend a lot of time meditating, I notice more synchronous events happening.  I think it happens more often than we realize, it's just that we don't allow ourselves to become aware enough to notice.

Good points, 1796, regarding the wisdom of not making assumptions that certain events have a particular meaning, as we obviously look for these kinds of relationships in our lives on many fronts in order to understand our world.

However, your story is very romantic. In a sense, your spirits met on the written page before you met physically on this earth.

I do think that certain frames of mind help us to notice synchronous events. It helps to pay attention, which one more easily does when in a thoughtful, quieter mood.

Meditation, however one does it, clears out the clutter in the mind so that a person can hear, see and speak more clearly.

Additionally, changes in one's life naturally cause meditative reflection to occur. One must look inside oneself to open the door to new attitudes and behaviors.

Still........I must admit that it is a thrill when it happens that a coincidence causes me to feel more connected to others. For instance, at my job, at a very large organization, I might be working on something for someone else and that person walks into the office at the exact same time. It happens frequently, frequently enough that it is funny. Many times I just let something sit if I am confused about whatever -- and "the universe" causes that person to walk in and answer my question. Or so it seems. It could very well be that it is simply well known that I am a confused kind of person....no, no, that could never be it.....  ;D

I do pay attention when events follow each other in a seemingly magical succesion. Succesion I've found can also be magically bad, and that I take as an indication it's about time to review my decisions. I do also think that random incidents happen: http://tinyurl.com/ojrpuby

I don't think you are confused, seagull. A little emotional thinking comes across at times and that is fine. We all have emotions. The emotional nature is a learning ground, just like the physical nature.   

Emotionalism though, if not realised, understood and managed can impinge upon clear thinking. Down the track it can unhinge us and separate us from sanity, while deceiving us that the emotion is justified, even right, and that we are sane. Listen to criminals talk about their crimes and notice that most are quite convinced they were justified to commit them. And those crimes are mostly driven by and committed in emotional states. Emotions/feelings do not make good decisions, they cloud judgement, commit crimes and fill jails, ruin marriages and spoil lives, so a disciplined student of truth who intends to advance in their own self governance must learn how to manage emotion. The key is in the mind, for it is via thought that emotion is controlled. The ability to objectively observe, to reason, and to exercise best judgement and decisions, and to learn as we go, is good practice. And of course, practicing genuine consideration for others will help nullify our being controlled by emotion, for despite who they may seem, emotions are self centred, and that is part of their deception. As emotionalism is relevant to the subject of this thread, this paragraph refers to the general issue of emotional management, certainly not to your self or any person/s in particular.   

Meditation can be practiced poorly or harmfully, or well and beneficially, as can prayer. There are right and wrong, and better and worse ways of doing everything. And beneficial and detrimental sides to everything, and the greater the inherent benefit, the greater the inherent detriment if practiced or use incorrectly. Nothing has just one side. Our psychiatric units are well populated by those who have practiced incorrect meditation.

Meditation practice must have a foundation of awareness of self and surroundings, and be focused on reality, not fantasy, must advance cautiously and deliberately, with all the best intent and most sensible judgement we possess. Then if it is true that God is within our self, that high on a level of self in man lies God, (as I can attest it is true, but we each must verify it our self) then if meditation is practiced rightly and towards truth, then meditation (the exercising of consciousness)and prayer (the communion of self with God) must ultimately coincide, must at a certain level of attainment become the same function.

But I have waffled on enough.

Oh, before I go, back on the matter on coincidences or synchronised events. Things really do often come in threes. The Regulators of Consequence (or the Lords of Karma as the Hindus say) will spread our lessons out when it is suitable to do so, to make it less traumatic and the lessons within the experience easier to extract, and often dividing the experience and its lesson into three is beneficial: A few days ago a neighbour's pipe sprang a leak and I fixed that, then the next day one of my own pipes split and I fixed that, then today another one of my pipes broke and I spent most of the day fixing that. It reminded me of an occasion when a car knocked me off my pushbike on the way to work when I worked in a city. For a moment I hung on the car roof and through the car's window had eye contact with a terrified Chinaman who then accelerated, throwing me from the car. Fortunately I was not injured too badly and neither was the bike so I continued on. Then a hundred yards further I was knocked off again, and injured a little more. It was a twenty mile ride to work but I wobbled on and arrived on time. Then when riding home I was coming down a hill at a reasonable speed - right opposite the place where the first motorist had knocked me off, when a car pulled in front of me and immediately stopped. I hit the roof injuring a shoulder then over the roof and head first into the road in front of the car. I was concussed and faded in and out while people gathered around to help me and an elderly man and woman picked me up and put me in the car that I had just flown over. They told other people that they were taking me to the hospital which was only a mile away. Instead they took me to their home and washed the blood and gravel from my wounds while I drifted about in semi-consciousness. I could hear them worrying about getting into trouble and debating what to do with me. Being mildly concussed I kept trying to stand up and repeating that I felt fine. Then they supported me to walk back to their car, drove me to a railway station and put me out and drove quickly away. By then the adrenalin subsided and I felt awful. Such is concussion. I was pleased that learning experience was spread out over three incidents; I would not have wanted them all rolled into one.          

 

1796 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 10:16am:

But I have waffled on enough.

No worries, you make great waffles.

Great story! And waffles. Love it.

wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

I do pay attention when events follow each other in a seemingly magical succesion. Succesion I've found can also be magically bad, and that I take as an indication it's about time to review my decisions. I do also think that random incidents happen: http://tinyurl.com/ojrpuby

Ah, with no ducks on the board I love the sound of my own countrymen conversing freely. Its music to the ears.

Perhaps my higher self arranged for me to have the experience I described so I would understand that coincidences are a possibility.

Here's another possibility. Say the lady I spoke of has a coworker who has a similar commute and arrives at work at about the same time. Just by chance they might run into each other as they commute. Sometimes I'll see one of my coworkers on the freeway as we commute. So perhaps a similar probability took place between the lady and myself. We just happened to be going to the same place at the same time.

Here's another BART example. I was riding it one day and two people who were playing phone tag (before cell phones) ran into each other.  I thought it was interesting they met up this way. Then I thought of a man I hadn't thought of in over a year. At my stop I took one step off of the BART train and I heard a voice say, "Albert." It was the man I thought of. Perhaps my higher self knew I was going to run into him and therefore had me think of him ahead of time.

Here's another work related coincidence. One day a friend and I were driving to SF, we started speaking of a coworker, we looked to our left and there she was in another car.

Another work related coincidence. A subject came up while I was at work and it caused me to think of a lady I hadn't thought of in years. That afternoon I was surprised to see her and found that she was a new employee in my department.

Another example, a coworker told me that he saw a local celebrity in the Safeway line and said that she looks better in person. Within a week I was at a restaurant with a friend, my friend said this celebrity's name, it was her, it turns out that my friend and this lady were childhood friends.

A few years later I was speaking to a coworker about a billboard on highway 101 that had a picture of this lady (the celebrity I mention above). This is the first time I spoke to a coworker about her. A little later in the day I went to lunch at Wholefoods, and there she was right in front of me in the salad bar line.

Something else comes to mind. I was having my haircut by a lady who recently lost a daughter to brain cancer.  She said she had a dream with her deceased daughter and her daughter told her she would receive an angel in six months.

The next day her daughter's husband called her and said he ordered her (my barber) an angel, and she will receive it in six months.  It is an angel statue that she can put in her garden. An ADC through a dream.


seagull wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

Well, Bruce did say he was enjoying the ride. I liked your story. Maybe she was a spirit guide.

  Yes, many.  Some or many seemed to be guidance confirming things about deeper issues. I don't think we manifest events so much as pre agree to certain events (before this life and/or in our nonphysical awareness--especially dream state) and/or our intuition picks up on things ahead of times and so nudges us in certain directions ahead of times.

  But, i agree with Albert that sometimes coincidences are sometimes just that, coincidences. Occasional random events and similarities. 

  Probably the most powerful for me was the following:  Had a dream when 16 about being in a huge library viewing a man i knew to be part of myself in a larger sense. This self/aspect of our larger self was talking to an older, very wise seeming person, who handed this self a book. 

  When this self opened up the book, i as an outside observer and also experienced it as the other man, and we watched a "movie" unfold. As we watched, we became aware that the character in the "movie" was also a part of our larger self. As we watched, we became immersed in it and relived the experience to some extent. 

   It was early pioneer American time period. This past self was a trapper looking white guy, trudging through the forest. A bear mauled him pretty badly, but did not kill him.  A half Native American, half Caucasian healer lady found him and nursed him back to life. The woman seemed unusually psychic/tuned in and could communicate well with animals and nature in general.

   At some point, we disengaged from the scenes and the wise, old man in the "library" closed the "book" and looked at this other self within our Disk, said his last name, and then said, "don't you think you had the knowledge within you at the time?" 

   I remember distinctly the self in the library feeling a sense of almost mild, self critical chagrin (which i felt through him). 

  Fast forward about a decade later, I was new on an astrology forum.  I became friends pretty quickly with a woman on there, whom come to find out we had many coincidences and similarities with.  She was also deeply interested in Edgar Cayce's work, and though we were now living 600 miles apart, she lived about 10 mins. away from where my grandparents lived and where i spent a good chunk of my highschool years living at. 

   About a couple months or so into our online friendship, her husband died from an accident on the job (so it was very out of the blue and sudden for her). They were very close, and she became very despondent and depressed. I felt very strongly that i should try to be there for her and help her through this time. Spent much time on the phone listening to her and trying to focus her away from the intense heaviness.  Would also pray and meditate with her in mind.  I felt an unusually deep and intense sense of duty/obligation to her for some reason. 

    Awhile later, i was planning on making a visit to my home state for family and friends, and we decided to meet up in person since she would be very close to where i would be staying a portion of the time. 

   While we were sitting together in a public place conversing, that dream from a decade ago flooded into my awareness strongly, along with some extra info i didn't remember.  I knew very strongly that my friend was part of the same Soul or rather Spirit that had had the life of the half Native American, half Caucasian healer woman that had nursed my Disk's other self back to life in the dream. What was extra was that i now knew that after this, we had a romantic relationship, and that i ended up hurting her a lot emotionally in that life.

  I didn't know whether or not i should tell about all this, so i decided to just feel it out some first.  I asked her about her views and thoughts towards Native American culture, healing, early pioneer time, etc. After saying she had definite interests in a lot of those areas (and feeling nudged to), i decided to more fully open up (i did not tell her the identity of the man in the library). 

   After telling her all that, i could tell that she was visibly affected.  She took a little time to collect herself, and started telling me that years ago one of her friends and her first spiritual mentor, an older woman, decided to give her a unique birthday gift.  Her older friend was friends with a lady that use to be connected to the A.R.E and use to give past life readings. 

   The sensitive was retired from this, but she called her up and asked her if she would do a reading for our mutual friend.  She agreed and during the reading, two main lives were focused on, one was a Greek life, and the other was when she was a half Native American, half white woman who was a healer and a sensitive during early American pioneer time.  She became involved with a white, Euro man, and he hurt her a lot.  The sensitive said at the end, you two have unfinished business together and will meet again later in this life to work it out. 

    We were both pretty blown away by all of this.  Me more so than even her, because i became aware that these lifetimes were also outlined in Edgar Cayce's work. I was somewhat aware of the trapper guy's life after the dream, but i wasn't fully aware of all the other connections until after this synchronistic event, as i went back to the Readings and delved deeper.  Much of it was very similar.  The only thing that wasn't mentioned in the Cayce Readings, was the English guy getting mauled by a bear.

  It explained why i felt such a strong sense of obligation and responsibility to her, and i think was why we met when we did, not long before her trial of losing her husband. As she had nursed my other self back to life in that past life, i tried to in a sense nurse her back to life this time around.

   Interestingly, after she started to come out of the gloom and depression of that trial, we parted ways on good terms.

  I came away from the experience knowing that karma is very real, and that guidance definitely does use synchronicity at times to confirm/verify information received in other ways. 

  Often, when we first start to wake up to the larger reality at first, we need strong, in our face experiences like these to really receive and accept information we get from our Expanded self and/or Guidance level's.  As we grow and mature, we tend to trust more and become more aware, intuitive, and accepting of the process or of info received. So we tend to need less overt confirmations. 

  Interestingly, when Edgar Cayce's son, Hugh Lynn, had his first Life Reading (which he didn't seek or ask for, but was given as a present), and was told that he had been the Disciple Andrew, he became very upset with his father and also strongly bucked against the idea of reincarnation in general. 

  Over time and some strong experiences and synchronicities of his own, he came to accept reincarnation/karma as truth (as he later sought other Life Readings and also spoke about these concepts some after his father died), and presumably accepted the source(s) of the Readings statement that he had been the disciple Andrew.  Like his father, he also had a very strong attraction to Yeshua as a Teacher.  (Edgar supposedly had been one of the 70 or 72, less Hebrew/more gentile disciples sent out into the gentile world to preach/example in his name).

Thanks to all participating -- these are terrific stories and much appreciated.

Justin said:
<Yes, many.  Some or many seemed to be guidance confirming things about deeper issues. I don't think we manifest events so much as pre agree to certain events (before this life and/or in our nonphysical awareness--especially dream state) and/or our intuition picks up on things ahead of times and so nudges us in certain directions ahead of times.>

These are interesting ideas, that we not only pre agree to certain events before this life but, also, in our nonphysical awareness states during our lives, such as dream states.

  I should probably add that it probably depends on the individual to some extent. If say you're a less mature Soul incarnating here, you probably don't have a lot of specific goals and tasks to work on. 

   You're probably more, "anything goes" and want to experience the randomness of the physical. Kind of like a kid in a candy store or Chuck E Cheese, constantly distracted by new scents, colors, sounds etc.

  But as you grow and become more organized, coherent, your spiritual will and focus becomes stronger, you may opt for lives that are more purpose driven and oriented. You start to tune out the noise and distractions, and focus more on growth and service.

Greater planning and creating more mutual inter-contracts goes on before you incarnate.  Such a Soul will tend to experience more meaningful synchronicity both because of the greater degree of planning and organization that went on before their life, and because they also pay attention more to such developments and patterns (being more aware/perceptive in general), as sign posts along the way.

   So it's probably relative to the individual to an extent.   

 

1796, after a 2hr emotional meeting at work today I appreciate both having read and reading your post again about emotions/emotionalism. Managed to contain my own emotions as not to fuel the fire, but want more (self) control and remembered you have written detailed posts about this in your blog.

"By training our self to be conscious of the first stirrings of our emotions at the point of likes and dislikes, wants/not wants, desires for or against, unfounded preferences one way or another, then not only are we able to check or quell emotions as required, we also learn to appreciate emotions without them having to develop into full swing before we are aware of them, which is how most people are because most people don’t realise that emotions initially stir as likes and dislikes before they become full swing emotions. Pretty soon we can become conscious of the most subtle stirrings of our emotional nature and regulate it accordingly with objective observation and application of reason. This is another way in which we are learning to fine tune our awareness and position our conscious controlling self back in its rightful seat at the centre of our being."

Thank you, it's really helpful.

wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:46am:

1796, after a 2hr emotional meeting at work today I appreciate both having read and reading your post again about emotions/emotionalism. Managed to contain my own emotions as not to fuel the fire, but want more (self) control and remembered you have written detailed posts about this in your blog. "By training our self to be conscious of the first stirrings of our emotions at the point of likes and dislikes, wants/not wants, desires for or against, unfounded preferences one way or another, then not only are we able to check or quell emotions as required, we also learn to appreciate emotions without them having to develop into full swing before we are aware of them, which is how most people are because most people don’t realise that emotions initially stir as likes and dislikes before they become full swing emotions. Pretty soon we can become conscious of the most subtle stirrings of our emotional nature and regulate it accordingly with objective observation and application of reason. This is another way in which we are learning to fine tune our awareness and position our conscious controlling self back in its rightful seat at the centre of our being." Thank you, it's really helpful.

I am pleased for you that it has been helpful.

To provide encouragement and clarity are the two reasons I am here.


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Growing in self control and self governance is not easy for anyone. Everyone who takes up the challenge will enter into struggle with themselves and experience both successes and disappointments. Often those who gain the most mastery are those who have made the most mistakes, and those who are currently making mistakes may well be on their way to being masters of that problem in the future. The emotional nature is particularly difficult to master, but it can be mastered, as can the rest of our being. Despite the difficulties that arise to meet us when we step out on the path to self governance and self knowledge, the rewards are well worth all the pain and suffering. To the responsible and self accountable reader, look back at the great mistakes you have made and hardships you have experienced in your life, have they not also been your greatest lessons from which you have grown the most. Have they not given you more understanding of life and of self than any book could have given you. Surely you would not exchange your past hardships for your old ignorance. Books, teachings, meditations, are all only complimentary aids to the real learnings of life. It is by living trial, work, results and practice that we prove theory and turn information into knowledge and growth. To anyone who is struggling with themselves, I say, keep up the good work, keep getting up and soldiering on. Have faith in yourself and in God. Victory will be had.

Actually, regarding exchanging past hardships for old ignorance, I would be okay with that, under a variety of circumstances. Some hardships are avoidable and hardship is very often not helpful at all, especially if prolonged. So, no, I'm not sure that personal exposure to hardship is always a good thing.

Victory, well, I'm all for that. Personal victory is something only you can define for yourself. I think there is a lot of fearmongering among the afterlife community regarding the afterlife review, and how we experience the hardships that we inflict on others during our individual life reviews. It is said to be very unpleasant at times, although we are to be escorted through it with a loving spirit guide. But, do they leave out the fact that we are all survivors? Even from day one, anyone who survives in this world has my respect.

Like everyone I have experienced a wide variety of hardship, and through my work I have met with those who have experienced the most. I could tell hundreds of stories of horrific human sufferings, every word true, and would achieve nothing more than to get myself banned from this forum because those stories are too ugly and offensive to be believed or tolerated by "good" people. I have witnessed over and over again, without exception, that those who learn and grow the most are those who forgive, and who extract the lessons from the experience, and are thankful in their heart for those lessons. 

Of course. Nevertheless, I'm sure not one of them would like to participate in those hardships again, nor would they want any other person to suffer in that way if there is a better solution to a problem. That is the very definition of compassion.

I think there is a lot of merit to placing value on one's experiences, but it can be carried too far.

It may be possible to remove traumatic memories, or to adjust the level of awareness of them by various means. There is no harm in that.

Some people are more fragile than others, so it is really unfair to place a burden on them which is more than they can handle successfully. There are many circumstances in which we must make allowances for others in order to create a better outcome for all.

Just a few thoughts, although your statement was convincing.

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Nevertheless, I'm sure not one of them would like to participate in those hardships again...

  This probably is why direct, literal reincarnation of a self back to earth seems much less common than multiple Disk projections of relatively new selves.

  I suspect that those, especially those more sensitive and aware, feel after directly experiencing them, that earth-human lives tend to be rather difficult and challenging, and it's not something these will engage in lightly again.

  Unless you're one of the oblivious, earth-material power/hedonist addicts that cycle in and out constantly. 

wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 5:54pm:

Unless you're one of the oblivious, earth-material power/hedonist addicts that cycle in and out constantly.

he he he he he pfffart, like me.

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1312071175/all
(crossbow #56,58)

Its hard not to keep coming back; amongst all the opportunities to learn and grow, its so f*cking entertaining. I wouldn't be dead for quids. 
 

Hopefully being reconnected with Source, God, however you put it, is the most fulfilling way of being there is. What's the alternative? Golf?  :)

Albert, sadly I must decline your offer, too busy creating. Happy though to inform you that there are other viable options for golf and/or tennis.

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web03/2012/8/4/12/anigif_enhanced-buzz-20657-1344098369-0.gif

But what if you walk the entire race, and then you get disqualified for illegal form at the end?

I have a history as a Track and Field fan.

When Vicky mentioned a runner's name in her book, I knew who that runner is (not personally).


wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 2:29pm:

Albert, sadly I must decline your offer, too busy creating. Happy though to inform you that there are other viable options for golf and/or tennis. http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web03/2012/8/4/12/anigif_enhanced-buzz-20657-1344098369-0.gif

  Ime, it can be difficult to separate and discern, at times, the difference between our Disk's other selves/projections and our own literal repeats. 

   For example, that library dream that i mentioned earlier. When i had that dream almost 20 years ago, i wasn't consciously aware of the Disk and Disk process. For awhile, i thought i was the literal reincarnation of that fellow in the library, and that he was the literal reincarnation of that fellow in the movie, the early American trapper/militia type.

  A few years later, i had a dream where that fellow in the library and myself, were sitting together in the back of a car heading to or from VA beach.  Someone or something else was driving.  He seemed really familiar and we seem very connected to each other, and i got the sense that he was a guide to me.

  It confused me, because like i said, i thought i was the literal reincarnation of him. But my dream was saying that i wasn't and that we were distinct individuals, and he was still very much "him" in the nonphysical.

  Just shortly after, i became aware of Bruce Moen and his info. And around this same time, i asked a sensitive if i was the reincarnation of the fellow in these two dreams.  She replied interestingly, "Yes, but not in the way that you have previously thought." 

     I was just starting to open up my mind to the Disk concept and process, and her answer made sense and seemed to confirm it.  What also confirmed it was a dream wherein i saw Bruce Moen's face morphing into Bob Monroe's and back again to settle on Bruce's.  The dream was telling me that they were strongly connected, but still distinct individuals.  (this was not so much to confirm Bruce's personal claims about his connection to Monroe, but to confirm his info about Disks in general).

     Even within our own Disk, we may be more energetically connected with some selves than others.  Those that we are strongly connected to energetically, or through working out related karma--it's not uncommon to feel that we were them in a past life.  While that's possible, it's also just as possible, and i would say probably more probable on average, that we are distinct individuals that are very energetically and/or karmically connected. 

  Ultimately, all selves within a Disk are One and part of each other, just as all Disks and selves are all part of Source, the Disk of Disks.



   

  Also, there are always exceptions to the rule, or is it, the exceptions tend to prove the rule..?

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Prove, from Latin, to test its trueness. If its a generalisation, exceptions proportion it. If its a definition, exceptions mark its boundary and tighten it.

Dreams and words from "sensitives" or from me or anyone, don't confirm anything.

We can see things for our self.

Souls or nodes of consciousness that extend from the same higher consciousness - what some call twin souls - seldom meet each other.

We each are like a pseudopod. We are to our oversoul, as our hand is to our self. Our left and right hands are to our self like twin souls are to our oversoul.

Souls extending from the same oversoul are mostly occupied with contrasting experiences/lessons in very different places/environments. They do not come together because it is unnatural and against the laws of maximum learning.

It is extremely rare for them to meet and come together, except in cases of monumental significance, like when an important leader or inventor requires assistance at a time of great emergency or importance that effects a nation or people. On the rare occasions when they come together it is mostly via a medium in between them upon which they are working, and through which they exert complimentary but opposing forces. Like our left and right hands do when they are working on the same task, like unscrewing the lid of a jar, or holding a nail and hammering it.

If with others, you put both your hands into murky water to feel around, when you discover you have touched your other hand then you are likely to depart and go investigate other people's hands, for that is where the learning and the growth is. As souls we learn more about life, contrast, cooperation and conflict, by mixing with and working with other peoples hands/ souls from other oversouls. Only if you have to repair or work on some great significant thing under the murky water will your two hands work together. And even then, they will be separated by the medium upon which they are working and from each of their own perspectives they will oppose each other in their efforts and adopt separate passive and active efforts upon the medium.   

But that coming and working together is not the general pattern, for that is only for emergencies and significant events, and average people like us are not involved in such things.

The general pattern of the tree of life is for expansion,and for separation or spreading from its parts, and for contrasting experiences, lessons and work between twin souls. And every soul and oversoul or node of consciousness great and small is a joint/fork/change of angle in the branch-work of the tree of life. And every twig and branch of every size within that tree is a communication line or silver cord between those great and small nodes of consciousness. The branches of the tree of life are ever growing/branching out away from each other, like twigs and branches do in trees, and as does the body and its skeleton, and as do the blood vessels and nervous system, not turning in upon each other. 

For the average souls and vast majority who are here in the Earth life system to gather and gain experience by which to learn and grow and gain knowledge, there is no need to come into contact with another soul/person(another node of consciousness) extended from the same oversoul as oneself is extended. And so in most cases we do not come into contact or live with each other or share lives.  Do you put two hands in water to test its temperature, or just one hand? Do you experience learn and grow the most by holding your own hand or by reaching your hand out to others? Do you walk best by keeping your feet together and jumping along, or by walking with separated feet in alternate steps with each foot stepping in different places to the other. We are like the feet and hands and senses of our oversoul. Our other "selves" or other extensions from our oversoul, are usually living very different lives to our self, or if we are in related lives they are usually on the other/another/opposite side of the experiences/issues/lessons/problems/work that our self is doing or involved in, so we seldom if ever meet for there are great issues between us. For example, if one soul is poor and on the street, its oversoul might have another extension who is well employed and financially secure; if one soul is a labourer, another extension might be an administrator; if one is a law breaker, another might be a legislator; if one is in the USA another might be in Russia, Argentina or South Africa. When you pick up and handle something to study/examine/manoeuvre it or work with it, are both your hands usually on one side of it doing the same thing, or are each of your hands usually on opposing sides of it doing different things, exerting opposing forces and doing opposite but complimentary tasks? Life is about maximising experience and learning through contrast and difference, and that is why we have two hands and two arms, and is why oversouls often have two or more extensions - to do different/opposing/contrasting things in different fields of life and maximise learning and growth.

But of course, there are souls who have learnt to work well together, are highly compatible and who love each other dearly, but in all probability they are not souls extended from the same oversoul.      

   It's pretty hard to prove any of this kind of stuff to anyone else. The closest thing to proof in these areas, besides one's own repeating experiences, are core similarities found between diverse and unrelated reputable sources. If for example, 6 different reputable psychic sources say something similar, chances are, there is probably something to the essential concept (by reputable, i mean coming from a predominantly positive/helpful source AND having some material world verification in relation).


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Souls extending from the same oversoul are mostly occupied with contrasting experiences/lessons in very different places/environments. They do not come together because it is unnatural and against the laws of maximum learning. It is extremely rare for them to meet and come together, except in cases of monumental significance, like when an important leader or inventor requires assistance at a time of great emergency or importance that effects a nation or people.

  Think you'll find various people will have a different take on the above based on experience, including myself and Bruce Moen.  Bruce has met and befriended two other selves from his own Disk--one a man (Bob Monroe) and the other a female. As mentioned, my dream confirmed this for me.

  Interestingly, besides various confirmations experienced in relation to dreams, even the Bible generally speaks quite positively of dreams as a form of guidance.  Some of the major figures in same, were also active dreamers and interpreters of other's dream.  It is one of the forms of guidance most spoken of in a consistently positive sense. 

   Anyways, i was briefly acquainted with two other selves from my own immediate Disk, but both are now in the nonphysical. One, a male slightly younger than me and whom i met in high school died in a car crash.  The other, a woman, was much older than myself.   

  I'm married to my "Twin Soul", which is a slightly different connection than i had with the two people i just referenced.  There are different levels of Disk.  What i view as Twin Souls, are two distinct, freewilled Disks that were originally part of the same larger Disk or Spirit.  When they both project a self into the Earth system at the same time, then we can say they have a Twin Soul relationship. 

  Because the physical, and especially the Earth, is based on polarization and imbalance, when we became involved with Earth and human lives, we eventually and naturally separated into two parts of a Whole, one with a slight emphasis on the masculine and one with a slight emphasis on the feminine.   

    In other words, a lot of her lives, are not directly part of my own immediate Disk and experience. For whatever reason, she has had a majority of female lives and i've had a majority of male lifetimes.  Yet, interestingly, i suspect that originally when we split, i was the more Yin/feminine polarized part of the larger self and she was the more Yang/masculine polarized part.  

Some of our pre-Earth/Solar system lives and selves were/are part of the same self.  These were as more androgynous or rather mixed/blended beings, as the form reflected better the inner consciousness in some of these systems.  Our earliest projection into the Earth were in similar forms.  But at that point, we were fully One, not distinct Disks.  Today, we have an odd admixture of a great degree of innate harmony, and yet some oppositional tension, which is very well reflected in our astro. charts and comparison of same. All our major points are all either in the same Sign/positions or in the opposite. I'm a Cap. Sun & Merc., she is a Cap Rising cusping Aquarius. I have Leo Rising and Aquarius Venus, she is Aquarius Sun, Venus, and South Node. I have Libra Moon, she has Aries Moon with her ruling planet in Libra, along with Libra Jupiter, i have a number of Virgo points (North Node, Jupiter, Mars, and Saturn), and she has Mercury and Mars in Pisces. So literally, all the major and personal points are opposite or same as the other's different, but highly connected points (which is usually more significant and stronger than the same placements being opposite or same e.g. Aquarius Sun with someone with Leo Sun, is less bonding and indicative than Aquarius or Leo Sun with a person with Leo or Aquarius Rising). 

  I've seen a lot of different chart comparisons, and this degree of powerful, mutual interconnection is more rare than common, though you will always find some major conjunctions and oppositions between charts of people whom are close.

   So it seems a little more complex and relative than some give it credit for. As often life and reality are as compared to belief systems of the huge, huge majority of humans (including this self at times no doubt).   

   Larger and more accurate truths tends to be internally consistent in a larger, holistic logic sense i.e. from various different angles of perception and consideration.

  What you call your "oversoul" is probably bigger, with more layers than most of us realize. 

   For example, why do so many people who become aware of their oversoul in some way or form, mostly only become aware of human lifetimes? 

  In reality, many of us have experienced many other lives in various other systems and forms as well.  There are whole other layers of our oversoul that deal with/focus on that.

  We become aware of the human lives because that's what is most pertinent to our current focus.

   And what i said about Twin Souls in general and in relation to my own, was a fairly common process that happened with many. 

   It was like the larger Oversoul, much like an amorphous Light Being, split into two still large, but slightly distinct parts with a differing balance emphasis.

  This is the meaning of Yeshua's words about a man and woman having been one in heaven, before they became two on the earth.  Because, occasionally, mates/marriage partners are coming from that Twin Soul relationship and history, where they use to be part of the same larger Spirit/Disk/OverSoul. 

(it's not necessarily common though, and sometimes they don't even reincarnate with each other.  My Twin Soul and i have been in almost every differing form of relationship physically, as well as acting as guides when one was incarnated and the other wasn't).   

A group of friends formed by oversouls equals the opportunity to meet one/more extensions from that group on Earth many times over, and also the jolly possibility of meeting new extensions that can form friendships beyond the physical. But being in a group that started this journey together doesn't necessarily mean oversouls graduate, reunite and possibly meld together, before having new experiences. But some may reunite. Sometimes things change, and so can groups of oversouls, in the sense that some may follow other paths. It's good to be able to learn and practise free will both as extensions and oversouls.

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A group of friends formed by oversouls equals the opportunity to meet one/more extensions from that group on Earth many times over, and also the jolly possibility of meeting new extensions that can form friendships beyond the physical. But being in a group that started this journey together doesn't necessarily mean oversouls graduate, reunite and possibly meld together, before having new experiences. But some may reunite. Sometimes things change, and so can groups of oversouls, in the sense that some may follow other paths. It's good to be able to learn and practise free will both as extensions and oversouls.

God has raised an interesting question. 
(Incidentally, God, to prevent confusing the readers when I refer to God or to you, in future I will address you by a name other than God. Do you have a preference? Or you may wish to change your display name.) 

The ideas presented above regarding relationships largely depend on the accuracy of the premise assumed in the paragraph's last sentence, that both extensions and oversouls possess freewill.
 
A fundamental precept of logic is that if our premises are wrong, our conclusion/s will be wrong.

So let's open the question:
Does both our soul and our own oversoul possess freewill?

Or put another way, and in keeping related to the subject of this thread, being synchronicity:
What is the nature of will and the relationship between the wills at both levels, soul and oversoul? (or self and higher self)  

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(Incidentally, God, to prevent confusing the readers when I refer to God or to you, in future I will address you by a name other than God. Do you have a preference? Or you may wish to change your display name.)

Thanks for the love, lovers of God, but no more confusion. Sorted.
 

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A fundamental precept of logic is that if our premises are wrong, our conclusion/s will be wrong.

If the premise is wrong the conclusion can be absolutely wrong, can be absolutely right, and partly wrong/partly right. Keeping it simple and tidy, the right premise would be the right way to go.

And with definitions in mind, one model is the human physical form connected to a soul (located at monroe focus level 12) which is an extension of an Oversoul (located at focus 34 or focus 35). Another model is human physical form connected to an Oversoul which is an extension of God/Source. Other models?

In the two models above one says he or she experiences the Oversoul, which for the other he or she is God/Source.


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So let's open the question: Does both our soul and our own oversoul possess freewill?

Depends on what freewill is in relation to? My previous post was mainly about friendships on both levels, and the option of allowing members of a group to be on their way if that was their will.

An incarnation is free to both regard and/or disregard conscience. Somebody dies in a car accident, another somebody experiences divine Oversoul intervention in a car accident. An Oversoul is active in the Earth life system, and I assume this in a simplistic way can be compared to playing golf, in the way certain rules make it the game/system we know as golf. Playing tennis there are possibilities within the limitations that define tennis.


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Or put another way, and in keeping related to the subject of this thread, being synchronicity: What is the nature of will and the relationship between the wills at both levels, soul and oversoul? (or self and higher self)

My will is not to answer this question. Will you do it? Is it the will of someone else?

Regarding the below, an Oversoul doesn't view its projections as being separate from it's self. One time I was walking and thinking of my Oversoul as if it is separate from me, and I heard a dejected voice say, "I am you."

After a projection wises up and figures out the best way to live its existence, it will be in sync with its Oversoul. Even when it doesn't do so it is still in sync with its Oversoul to some degree, because figuring things out is a part of what Oversouls do.



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Or put another way, and in keeping related to the subject of this thread, being synchronicity:
What is the nature of will and the relationship between the wills at both levels, soul and oversoul? (or self and higher self)

My will is not to answer this question. Will you do it? Is it the will of someone else?

wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:35am:

Quote: ... Thanks for the love, lovers of God, but no more confusion. Sorted. ... he he, I expected you might choose a name something like that. Thank you Loucifer for considering my request favourably.  [quote] If the premise is wrong the conclusion can be absolutely wrong, can be absolutely right, and partly wrong/partly right. Keeping it simple and tidy, the right premise would be the right way to go.

Those outcomes are possible, but the statement is a rule of logic and reason, not a statement of the possibilities of chance, guesswork or of false logic or false reason.
 


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My will is not to answer this question. Will you do it? Is it the will of someone else?

I would like to see others answer it. 

Recoverer has initiated a good start, pointing out that the oversoul's awareness includes our own awareness:

recoverer wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

... an Oversoul doesn't view its projections as being separate from it's self. One time I was walking and thinking of my Oversoul as if it is separate from me, and I heard a dejected voice say, "I am you."

(Just a quick aside related to Recoverer's comment on walking, for anyone who might be interested. Rhythmical walking alternately fires either side of the brain, across the corpus callosum and subsequently the whole brain. The same as binaural beats do, but does so more effectively. When physically seated, a troublesome emotional mindset isolated from higher reasoning can remain isolated, in spite of attempts to reason it out, and can even fortify its position. Reasoning things out while rhythmically walking fires the overall brain, causes both sides of brain to communicate due to the rhythmical left-right physical action, stirs energies, and breaks down the borders around isolated unhealthy mindsets and so helps subject emotion to reason. This can be used together with correct therapeutic process to break down isolated unhealthy mindset fragments and help rationalise and unify the mind. I "walk & talk" most of my clients, and encourage them to maintain the practice. EMDR is just a dressed up / disguised and poor reproduction of this effect to enable psychs to look clever and sophisticated, keep the effect to themselves and charge fees for it. Personally I think EMDR should only be used with clients who cannot adequately walk and/or  are physically disabled. It is usually used in conjunction with PTSD therapy, but military leaders have known for centuries about the mental health benefits of marching men both to and from battle while talking the experience out with each other. Meditative walking can be very useful when understood and used well - combined with pure awareness, full field material vision, and right and beneficial thought processes. I encourage anyone interested to experiment with it.)

I think the oversoul - or equivalent - has some control over our free will. I say this because I also feel that I have been directly spoken to on a couple of occasions in my life, as well as having had an actual physical intervention on my behalf. Having said this, however, I also believe that I am not separate from that part of myself. If you think about how your mind operates when it is fully concentrating on an activity you know that many other parts of your life and knowledge may appear to fall away during that time, but when you are finished with that very absorbing activity the rest of your "self" is there for your recall to memory and further action. Perhaps our relationship to our higher self is similar. We are just very highly focused in this physical realm most of the time.

Regarding the mental effects of walking, it is obvious that those who focus on such activities are the better for them, in multiple ways. I participate in bouts of sustained four limbed exercise/motion/dance most days of the week, and I include strength training, and it is highly beneficial to all aspects of my life. I have not always done this, but it is evident that during those portions of my life in which I did do these things I was not only better for it at the time, but later in life I could recall those past successes and, thus, find a platform for present success much more easily than if I had never made an effort at all.

Rhythmic walking might have an effect, however, on a limited number of occasions while walking just a few steps I've received a message either by hearing a voice or by being shown a symbolic message.

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1796 he he, I expected you might choose a name something like that. Thank you Loucifer for considering my request favourably.

Your request was and is fair. But doing a google search shows there are 31800 hits for loucifer. Is there something new over the sun?

Awareness. Intelligence. Force. Freewill.

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Can we call you Louie?

If you or others are uncomfortable with the cifer part, Lou it is. The nick itself doesn't hold much value, but it serves as a reminder to practise discernment. The God nick was the lighter version of that, with some added benefits for fun. This is more clear though, hehe or mohaha.

There is a lot of symbolism in the name and the picture.
The innocence (lamb) and the evil, and the evil being only a shadow, the result of the blockage of light. 
We are each light bearers and shadow casters; we each having light and shadow inside us.

I like the name and the picture; it suits you because you recognise the forces in yourself that range between light and shadow, and you face them, unlike many who deny them.

For anyone who doesn't know where the reference is, its in Isaiah 14. Depending on one's inclination, we might consider those verses to be historical, or prophetic, or symbolic (or a mixture) about the nature of human development and the soul's progress on Earth; the soul's coming down to earthly life/hell, individually and collectively, from God, into Earth's dust/material, darkness, lessons, illusions, puzzles and sufferings, eventually each soul to learn the lessons, solve the puzzles and find that light within and carry it home. The term Lucifer might be attributed to every man (and woman) as a potential light bearer immersed in Earth life and through the struggles of life between good and evil, the individual gradually emerges from darkness to fire up the heart and light up the soul. Similarly, through the gospels Christ often referred to the end result upon the soul of going through Earth's lessons as the coming of the "son of man" meaning the product of the human experience, what some on the forum term graduation and others term enlightenment.      

Regarding the name Lucifer, some would say that a translational error took place when that part of the Bible was written, and a fallen king of Babylon, a physical person was spoken of, not a fallen angel. Whatever the case, for many people the name Lucifer signifies a fallen angel like being, and perhaps such beings exist.

Regarding shadow aspects of Self, I wonder where they come from.  Perhaps to some degree they come from our animal bodies. The Reptilian part of our biological brains is all about me, myself and I, not the welfare of others. While incarnated in a body our spirit self competes with our reptilian brain and we create our psyche according to how we handles these opposing influences.  There is also the matter of how our environment influences us, and what wisdom and personality traits our Over Soul has us incarnate with.

Here is something I haven’t figured out with certainty. Regardless of body-based influences, are things set up so that our Souls can choose a negative way of being? In order for each of us and the creative process as a whole to have free will, negative possibilities need to exist. If this is so, then each of us can become Lucifer like if this is how we choose.

I wouldn’t feel comfortable with referring to myself as God or Lucifer, because I believe the Lucifer-like potential within myself would choose to do so. Some people might laugh at me and say don’t be so uptight, but I believe that reverence towards God has its place. I don’t believe he is like an old man in the sky who desires obedience and worship, but I do believe he has a divine nature that is beautiful to an extent that it can be deeply appreciated. There is also the matter of how he got everything started with love-based intent, so perhaps this factor should be considered. I certainly do and try to be in line with divine will.

Albert

Albert,

Here's the plot twist, if you reread what you have written in your previous post, will you find that, over years of loucifuge, have been influenced by someone who is comfortable with referring to himself by that which you are not?

Here's some meditation music to go along with any potential pondering
http://tinyurl.com/pzpbg55

Lucy, you like to speak in riddles rather than plain talk. I can't say that I'm interested in deciphering riddles.


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Albert, Here's the plot twist, if you reread what you have written in your previous post, will you find that, over years of loucifuge, have been influenced by someone who is comfortable with referring to himself by that which you are not? Here's some meditation music to go along with any potential pondering http://tinyurl.com/pzpbg55

We humans are the fallen angels, down on Earth where we have freewill and learn and grow from our mistakes, so we are in a state where angels fear to tread.

1. Some consider the name Lucifer as a name for the Devil, like Satan.

2. Some others consider the name to be Light Bearer (its literal meaning) and representative of the potential that exists in every human being to become a light bearer after he has woken up his soul through the tests, trials and learnings of Earthly freewilled living. It therefore refers to the potential of light that is in the soul when it first comes to Earthly life but hasn't yet learnt to reveal its light / unfold its divinity. That refers to us all to varying extents.

If we read first half of Isaiah 14 we can see how both interpretations of the name have come about, because they both can be read into the passage. And if we consider that conscience is the inner light at the inner upper pinnacle of our soul, our highest sense within our self of what is good and right to do, and through which comes all divine promptings, and if we consider that the only devil we need be concerned about is that part of our self that would have us disobey our conscience, then we can see that both interpretations of the name Lucifer are related to each other.

Personally I lean most with the second interpretation, as representing the potential of light within every struggling human being on Earth, and the term son of man to represent that future state of unfolded light finally fulfilled and fully manifested in every soul after the soul has learnt and grown from its Earthly lessons. So Lucifer is like a name for a fairly ignorant soul, the term Disciple suits a  disciplined student soul actively studying on any genuine path of learning and growth, and Son of Man is like a graduate soul, fully enlightened.

But in real life (away from written internet forums like this) when conversing with others I adopt their meanings and definitions, unless they don't have one then I might suggest we use my ones. So if chatting with someone who considers Lucifer to be a name for the classical Devil then I would stick with that, for not everyone is comfortable with light and darkness or divinity and evil as existing within themselves, but prefer to externalise them onto external and influential beings/icons, and that works fine, so I accept that angle too when in conversation with them. I am comfortable being a fundamentalist or an esotericist or anything in between according to who I'm conversing with because they all have the same ideas in different form. With others I first take the fundamental/most concrete approach/interpretations and if required then work carefully up from there towards the abstract/esoteric levels and stop at the level the other person is most comfortable with and discuss it there in their own words and definitions.

Although being what many would consider some sort of astral travelling esotericist with occult knowledge, I am usually far more comfortable discussing religion and individual and human progress with fundamentalists and with atheists because their patterns of language and thought are structured and consistent, whereas most who fancy themselves as new-age/esoteric/occult/spiritual-but-not-religious etc are emotional fuzzy thinkers who can't or don't define their terms, have floating incompatible principles and fragmented incongruent compartments to their thinking. The true occultists/esotericists though, and I know quite a few, don't have such problems. They can communicate their knowledge quite clearly, but don't, except with others like themselves, otherwise they comfortably converse with others on other's own level. So in real life you can't pick 'em.                    

recoverer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 4:55pm:

Lucy, you like to speak in riddles rather than plain talk. I can't say that I'm interested in deciphering riddles.

Displaying dislike in line with divine will, the correct term for the female version of Lucifer is Lucyfer.

In your post #44 in this thread, do you detect any Luciferian influences? An answer may not be immediate, but can be a question worth pondering.

The way I see it, the advantage of Louie is that it is unisex. Usually male but not always. And there's a fun song to go along with it.   8-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx-8_GI4d2c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V1p1dM3snQ

Thanks for your time seagull. Though the name game was more interesting than anticipated it's over, and here's a tune for you. 8-)

http://tinyurl.com/pvtrbzs

I suppose a person can read such influence in a lot of places if he is prone to do so.

A number of years ago I was meditating one day and thinking in terms of the kundalini ascension process (I don't prefer to use that term because some questionable concepts are connected to it that come from questionable gurus). I saw a life size image of a heavy metal rocker dude. I could see Kundalini flowing within him. He used kundalini, the creative aspect of his being, for evil.

Next I saw a demonic image of myself. Next I saw the face of Jesus Christ. The point of these messages is that if I'm going to awaken my kundalini, bring my spirit energy to life, I should make certain I do so with Christ Consciousness in mind, because the creative aspect of being can be used in just about any way.

Since I can't say that I'm basking in complete Christ Consciousness, it is possible that at times the negative not Christ-like aspects come to life.







wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 11:38pm:

recoverer wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 4:55pm: Lucy, you like to speak in riddles rather than plain talk. I can't say that I'm interested in deciphering riddles. Displaying dislike in line with divine will, the correct term for the female version of Lucifer is Lucyfer. In your post #44 in this thread, do you detect any Luciferian influences? An answer may not be immediate, but can be a question worth pondering.

If someone requests repair work and removing mud from the chakras doesn't work, you can do a start-the-motor-of-the-boat maneuver on the base chakra and watch the rest light up light a Christmas tree. Or maybe not. Creative intention, for doing good, making sure it's, well, headed in the right direction.

What is the effect of bringing your spirit energy to life with Christ Consciousness in mind?

Likely to change his name  ;) asked: What is the effect of bringing your spirit energy to life with Christ Consciousness in mind?

Recoverer responds: I didn't run into the kundalini awakening problems that some people run into. I had some challenges, but overall things have worked out well.

It seems on this thread more than others, so many fascinating subjects have been barely touched and skipped over. So what to respond to? Can they all be responded to within a few points? Probably not, but maybe.

We live in a fractal existence, where all things replicate and are replications in form, quality and function of things above, below, within and without of themselves, to the extent that dimensions and the nature of the matter in dimensions enables. That is what enables symbols and symbolism to work.

All shapes, numbers, elements, forces, things, happenings, in worlds of nature and man, the human body, organs, layers of our nature, Sun, Earth, moon, stars, orbits, ... are all continuations, replications, imprints and reflections of similar things to themselves, connected above and below themselves, and interconnected and communicating. (I know that it is possible for a person to see all this as a result of faith, thankfulness and prayer, and afterwards by lesser but more continuous glimpses.)      

The Jews are symbolic of an aspect of humanity and its growth. What happens to/of them has/does/will happen to all.

Its all about fire - the element of. From the first campfire used by the first primitive man, through ceramics manufacture, metal smelting, to the use of electrical machinery like computers, phones, and combustion engines in cars, jet fighters, to guns and bombs, nuclear weapons and medicine, material manufacture, ....etc..the history of man's development is the history of his learning to manage, understand and wield fire, externally and internally, in all its forms - combustive, electrical, radiant, friction, nuclear, biological, spiritual, in body, mind, conscience, heart ...

Even the concerns of western current affairs such as body weight, calorie consumption, environmentalism, energy sustainability, world conflicts, managing the heat and coolness of emotions, developing the light of reason, ... are all part of our ever growing understanding and improved wielding of fire.   

Convection, what we might define as the movement of energy and things in relation to heat, drives the universe and all things in it. Temperature, movement, matter, energy, light, calories...are just different aspects of the energy that drives the universe - fire.

All material life on Earth is sustained and driven by material fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYsCZVNQf6I 

That thermodynamics drive existence is well known of course, as Peter Atkins points out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H2sq89ZqEM

But the extent of the nature of fire within life, religion, the soul and spirituality is not so well known, not by scientists anyway.

But the extent of the nature of fire is more understood in religion, particularly in Judeo-Christian religion which stands back to back and level with western science. Science and religion are two sides of a coin (https://lacecurtain.wordpress.com/2014/01/08/science-religion) as are esoteric occultism and mysticism; and what occultism/esotericism is to science, mysticism is to religion, so each and all roll on to truth together.

The old testament reveals a God that is all knowing, all encompassing, all pervading, ever extensive, and from which all comes, exists and returns, and which creates, rules, guides, communicates and retributes by fire.

Most atheist professors of thermodynamics overlooked that, of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okbz8ARsm7g

Following the teachings on fire in the old testament, in the new testament Christ reveals how to rightly wield fire in the heart, as love, which is the light and warmth of God, and how to think and act in accordance with love and express it as goodwill, charity and helpfulness. 

Fire is the radiation of God. And is the guard of God, for no one comes to God except through fire - that is by attunement with and right use of fire.

The crown centre is the positive pole of the soul, and the base centre is the negative pole. The crown centre is the centre through which the soul can know God or spirit; through the base centre the soul knows matter. Love, the fire, or light and warmth of God, can be drawn in through the crown and expressed through the heart. It lights the crown and warms the heart. The breath can help facilitate this. As the radiance of heart becomes the common practice and condition, so the fires of matter are automatically drawn up to it and naturally unite with it. The kundalini fires are automated in response to the heart centre, no conscious manipulation of them is required. In fact to attempt to raise or meddle with them prematurely, outside of their normal automated process is likely to cause an uncontrolled fire and destroy the mental-emotional vehicle, just as would spilling petrol from the fuel lines onto the running engine or electrics of a motorcar. As the electric, water, fuel and exhaust systems of a motorcar each have their respective channels, chambers and conduits, so too, the soul and its surrounding layers contain different circulating energies which each have their rightful pathways, centres and conduits, and if these energies get into the wrong places then destruction of the vehicle is likely to result. Most psychiatric units contain at least one person who tried to raise his kundalini, and burnt his subtle bodies and turned himself into an insane jibbering idiot, not just for this life, but for many more lives to come. Focus on the heart, on love, goodwill and helpfulness, let the automated kundalini look after itself.                     

The difference between humans and monkeys is that being a monkey is merely about swinging from trees, but being a human is about learning how to rightly manage fire. And with that task comes great risk and responsibility, but great reward too. We have freewill, the means to learn and grow from sparks to gods. Tread carefully and cautiously. Even angels fear to tread our path.      
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maRanuCqY64

I must cease these long posts. The typing fingers seem to have a fire of their own.

I liked much of the long post, but I must wonder if, to the monkey, its life is just about swinging from trees? I imagine it is much more complex. That is like saying my devoted dog's life is just about chasing toys all day. It may seem so in certain moments, but there is much more to its relationship to my life.

It is, however, helpful to remember the fractal nature of all, which could include what might be considered synchronous.

I could make a convoluted post about recent synchronous events just in the last few days that would make little sense to anyone, but it becomes obvious that it is a real phenomenon when observed.

1796 wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 1:22am:

I must cease these long posts. The typing fingers seem to have a fire of their own.

Hehe, touché and well done. May the fingers not cease fire. Revelation 3:15-16 New King James Version.

1796, with the below, you made some good points about kundalini. I'd like to add that some people get involved with a guru when raising their kundalini, he claims he can help them do so without problems when he can't, and then they run into problems. As you said, it best to work on one's heart so energy movement will take place as needed. Our Oversoul will also help us out with such movement.

I don't know about the many more lives part.



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The crown centre is the positive pole of the soul, and the base centre is the negative pole. The crown centre is the centre through which the soul can know God or spirit; through the base centre the soul knows matter. Love, the fire, or light and warmth of God, can be drawn in through the crown and expressed through the heart. It lights the crown and warms the heart. The breath can help facilitate this. As the radiance of heart becomes the common practice and condition, so the fires of matter are automatically drawn up to it and naturally unite with it. The kundalini fires are automated in response to the heart centre, no conscious manipulation of them is required. In fact to attempt to raise or meddle with them prematurely, outside of their normal automated process is likely to cause an uncontrolled fire and destroy the mental-emotional vehicle, just as would spilling petrol from the fuel lines onto the running engine or electrics of a motorcar. As the electric, water, fuel and exhaust systems of a motorcar each have their respective channels, chambers and conduits, so too, the soul and its surrounding layers contain different circulating energies which each have their rightful pathways, centres and conduits, and if these energies get into the wrong places then destruction of the vehicle is likely to result. Most psychiatric units contain at least one person who tried to raise his kundalini, and burnt his subtle bodies and turned himself into an insane jibbering idiot, not just for this life, but for many more lives to come. Focus on the heart, on love, goodwill and helpfulness, let the automated kundalini look after itself. 

Ambivalent's footnote: "I only wish that ordinary people had an unlimited capacity for doing harm; then they might have an unlimited power for doing good."

That is true. Harmlessness is the ability of harm withheld, or not done. One can only be harmless if one has the ability to harm. Harmlessness is choice, defencelessness has no choice, it is just a condition. That is why a trained fighter who does not harm others is a harmless person, whereas a defenceless person is not harmless, they are just defenceless. And harmlessness is not just a physical trait as with the trained fighter, but may also exists on all other levels of our being, in mind and thought, in words, emotion, and in all the ways that we can effect others. As harmlessness is a choice, and defencelessness has no choice, there is no virtue in being defenceless, no credit there. And neither is harmlessness a virtue in itself, but it clears and paves the way for virtues of the heart to flow forth, and for good to be done instead of harm, particularly when under threat. The degree of harmlessness that someone is capable of is measured by the degree of harm that they can do, for harmlessness is like negative numbers that only exist to the extent that positive numbers exist. Harmlessness is the ability to harm on any level, in any way, but withheld, and good is done instead. As harmlessness can defend, can harm if need be, so harmlessness has none or little fear. Harmlessness quells the emotions, and enables the heart to open and good to be done even while one is under threat. Defencelessness cannot do that. But a harmless person can turn the other cheek, can be struck in the face, be put under threat, and yet remain calm and continue to talk to their attacker kindly, but not from fear and weakness but from strength. Harmlessness is not emotional, it is ruled by choice, it has freewill, it can think clearly because it is not defenceless, so it can love, forgive and help, where the defenceless person turns white with fear, gets their mind and heart blocked and paralysed with emotion. See, goodness needs strength. Goodness counts for nothing if its weak. 

From harmlessness is enabled all the virtues of the heart to function even when one is under threat. From harmlessness is enabled leniency, which is the right use of force. Leniency is force combined with love. When force must be used, it should be used with love, so it is appropriate and minimal, just enough. Mercy is the cessation of force when force is no longer required. Chivalry is that kind of helpfulness that can only come from strength. These virtues are enabled by harmlessness. The defenceless can never know them.      

Jesus taught harmlessness. See how in front of the disciples he killed the fig tree by pointing at it and willing it to die, then used his touch not to hurt or kill others but to heal them, even when they would harm him. And he allowed his disciples to carry weapons, even advised them each to buy a sword but advised them not to use them, even under threat. Peter was such a skilled swordsman that he cut off the ear of one of several aggressors as a warning to them to stay back, and no doubt could have slaughtered several men in a few moments, but he sheathed his sword on his teacher's advice. Jesus also said he could call legions of angels to his defence but would not. All this and much more through the bible are teachings on harmlessness.    

No one who is weak or defenceless in a capacity can claim to be harmless in that capacity, for if they are given the ability to harm then they may do harm, for they have not yet been tested with that power. And if someone is harmful or harmless in any capacity, then they are likely to be so in any other capacity in which they have the power, for doing harm or being harmless are in the heart.

Being harmless is a decision that requires the ability to harm. It has options. It has freewill.   

Harmlessness is not pacifism. Anyone can claim to be a pacifist when they cannot fight or can do no harm anyway. Many claim to be pacifists and against violence and use of force but are spiteful in speech, or hurt others through manipulation, or incitement, or enable or allow others to be violent or hurtful on their behalf. 

And there are many who are good, but not strong. Their goodness is limited by their fear. See the many good but weak men who drive past the hitchhiker on the highway. They would help him if they were confident in their defence. And those who witness crime, unfairness and bullying but do nothing to assist those to whom it is happening. See those who care more for the approval of their peers than for the approval of their own conscience.     

Goodness counts for little if its weak, and strength becomes a curse if its not good. The world needs more men who are both good and strong.

Strength and Goodness.   Strength and Goodness.   Strength and Goodness.
        

recoverer wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 11:58am:

1796, with the below, you made some good points about kundalini. I'd like to add that some people get involved with a guru when raising their kundalini, he claims he can help them do so without problems when he can't, and then they run into problems. As you said, it best to work on one's heart so energy movement will take place as needed. Our Oversoul will also help us out with such movement. I don't know about the many more lives part.

As far as I know there is no way that a person can raise another person's kundalini. It seems illogical to me. Give some helpful suggestions perhaps. But why bother, it is all subject to the heart, and automatic from there. So the only advice need be about working the heart.

The only way to conduct high amperage electricity is through high amperage wire, otherwise the wire overheats, the insulation catches fire and the house burns down.

Only the individual can condition themselves sufficiently for high power energies to enter into and circulate through the system. And when conditioned, everything works as it should, quite naturally.

Our conditioning is up to us as individuals, no one else can do it for us.

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Under the physical, emotional, and mental bodies is another body, that is so thin it forms the skin of the soul. For most intents and purposes it need not be differentiated from the soul, but considered the skin of the soul. It is like a sheet of cellophane over the soul. It is the foundation body; it holds one's perceived values-priorities-importances upon which one's mental-emotional body is built with all its mental-emotional tendencies (personality inclinations) which then behave in accordance with those underling values of the foundation body. We shed the mental-emotional body a while after physical death when we go through what some have termed the "second death" which is just the disintegration of the mental-emotional bodies. The foundation body remains with us, carrying over to the next life, and as the emotional and mental bodies are rebuilt as we grow up in the next life they build on top of the foundation body which is the blueprint upon which they grow. This way we have the same type of mental-emotional body (personality with all its mental-emotional tendencies) as we had the previous life, but it is a copy not the same body, so the memories contained in the previous bodies are not carried over, only the same tendencies. So then we can carry on our development from where we left off last time.

(Yes, there are memories of previous lives contained in the foundation body, and elsewhere in the soul/oversoul system, and they can be accessed when one knows how.)

There are many practices that damage the foundation body, causing it to be misshapen, burnt/scorched or torn, manifesting as insanity, and requiring a long time, often many lifetimes to repair, and one of those practices is messing about with the lower centres, particularly the base centre and kundalini.

Another practice is drug usage, like cannabis and other drugs. But that can often be rectified with healthy wholesome living.

Another practice is certain sexual practices. Some of these are common amongst the neo-pagan/witchy/spaced-out communities.   

Fortunately the human mechanism has inbuilt safe guards to prevent the base centre energies from prematurely rising, but I don't think I need describe them. So most of those people who claim to have raised their kundalini have not. They have just had some sort of spiritual or altered consciousness experience. I tend to smile politely when someone tells me they have raised their kundalini.

But, the safeguards can be bypassed. Shall I tell how? Of course not. Part of why and how I have the knowledge I have is because I can keep it secret. I use it but I don't tell it.            

   Fire is a material process that reflects the Yang or masculine side of Spirit/pure consciousness. Fire is symbolic of it you could say, but not the reality or consciousness itself.

  Water is a material element and process that reflects the Yin or feminine side of of Spirit/pure consciousness. Water is symbolic of it you could say, but not the reality or consciousness itself.

  Fire and Water are the most archetypal, prime, and polarized elements. That what some call the elements of Earth and Air, are more mixed and blended.  They came later.

  Fire and Water must become One and merged within self before self can fully unify, in a conscious sense, with Source and the Whole. 


  It's not that hard to stimulate kundalini.  Certain yogic breathing exercises and certain chanting can stimulate kundalini. 

  However, while it can be stimulated and used by any, the Kundalini can only be raised up to what a person has merited and grown to within their consciousness. 

In other words, an imbalanced and immature person could stimulate kundalini, but in most cases it won't raise beyond the 3rd to 5th centers.  Often times, it will overly stimulate the lower centers, especially the first 3. This can cause a lot of problems and imbalance within people who prematurely stimulate it.  Like an overly strong sex drive/focus. Like an over bearing personality with too much personal will. 

Great, consistent attunement to Love, much inner balance, and much self purification is needed to raise it to the Pituitary gland and to have it fully circulate in a balanced, constructive sense through ALL of the centers from the slowest vibratory (sex glands) to the fastest vibratory (pineal and more so pituitary). 

   It will not fully circulate through all centers (endocrine glands) until self has become like Yeshua, and has made their individual, little will, One with the will of the purely Creative Forces within and without, and Love permeates and is the motivating intention within and behind all choices and interaction.  There are NO shortcuts to cosmic, universal, Source like consciousness.

  It is a process that has to follow the Law of Like attracts and begets Like. A simple, universal law that the Creator built into Creation in order to keep balance.

   No human besides Yeshua, has fully accomplished this spiritualization of the body physical to this degree for a very long time, especially not so during a more collectively slow vibratory period. 

There were periods in the far past, wherein humans were much more collectively spiritually intune.  Then, it wasn't so hard to attune to Love to a greater and deeper degree as an individual. The more who do so, the easier it becomes for all.

  Doing it in the Age and cycle he did it in, well that was like spiritual equivalent of Mozart's genius. 

What 1796 said about the foundation body, if such bodies can be created, can't they be repaired when they are harmed?

If raising the kundalini in an inappropriate way can cause a Soul problems for numerous incarnations, then perhaps it is appropriate for some people to speak up about the gurus and such who play a role in many people raising their kundalini in an inappropriate way.

There is evidence for all sorts of healing which takes place in other dimensions after -- and during -- this life. I don't believe that people are so vulnerable as has been stated.

Regarding the "saving people from gurus" syndrome, everything in moderation, as they say. I also feel that it is unfair to demonize certain people over others when there are so many on so many levels who abuse their power at times.

This world is diverse for good reasons, and we are not all of the same train of thought for good reasons.

If we must stand for something, let it be for our own selves, and make the best choices for our own selves. The evidence of our "correct" choices for our own selves will be seen and heard without our needing to persuade others at every turn.

Not one of us has such great knowledge that we are not occasionally -- even often -- in error. And, that is precisely how we learn. So, forgiveness for ourselves -- and others -- is essential. Forgiveness is a process and does not occur at the time and place of our choosing.

I greatly appreciate the contributions on this thread.

seagull wrote on Oct 27^th, 2015 at 8:42am:

There is evidence for all sorts of healing which takes place in other dimensions after -- and during -- this life. I don't believe that people are so vulnerable as has been stated. Regarding the "saving people from gurus" syndrome, everything in moderation, as they say. I also feel that it is unfair to demonize certain people over others when there are so many on so many levels who abuse their power at times. This world is diverse for good reasons, and we are not all of the same train of thought for good reasons. If we must stand for something, let it be for our own selves, and make the best choices for our own selves. The evidence of our "correct" choices for our own selves will be seen and heard without our needing to persuade others at every turn. Not one of us has such great knowledge that we are not occasionally -- even often -- in error. And, that is precisely how we learn. So, forgiveness for ourselves -- and others -- is essential. Forgiveness is a process and does not occur at the time and place of our choosing. I greatly appreciate the contributions on this thread.

Of course the subtle bodies can be treated and healed, by various means. Everything takes time though. Time is the medium of change.

The more we get wrong, the more we eventually get right.

If we made no mistakes in life, if we did everything right, then we would be no wiser at our life’s end than we were at its beginning; we would leave no wiser than we arrived. There would be no purpose to living. But there is purpose to living, and that purpose crudely put is the benefit to all things of their living.

I enjoy solving problems, fixing things, being right. Who doesn't? It satisfies both the Earthly survival instinct and the soul's thirst for learning, creativity and truth. Personally I think there is only one thing better than being right and that is being wrong, because it leads to being right.

It is healthy to doubt our self, and to be certain is healthy too, each in their place, for the health is in the knowing what to doubt and of what to be certain.

The soul cannot forgive itself, for forgiveness flows outward not inward, but the soul can forgive others, and in so doing is forgiven by forgiveness that passes through itself.

We can accept our self, though; face our self as we are.

Forgiveness is a choice, as is love. It requires some understanding, some acceptance of what it is and how it works, and then it is a choice. As is withholding it.

modo fac id

In meditation one finds access to parts of oneself which are not apparent when living day to day focused on survival strategies and personal pleasures or satisfaction. One's fears melt away, and the love that one holds beneath the surface of one's being can be freed, no matter what circumstances appear to exist outwardly.

In such a state, self-forgiveness and forgiveness of others is effortless.

It is possible to live in such a state much of the time if one can maintain a high level of awareness. Otherwise, it is quite easy to slip into less exalted states, which are our human condition.

That is, however, one of the things which can make this life exciting and unpredictable. For those who wish to remain here it can be heart-poundingly exciting and fun.

Perhaps it is an example of how flawless this entire system of life actually is -- that we can experience all these states in one human body in one lifetime.

It might seem that I am contradicting myself when I say that forgiveness does not occur in a time or place of our choosing. I wondered after the last post how I could make that statement about the ease of forgiveness when in an altered state of consciousness. (I do not plan my posts here. I follow my own stream of consciousness. I do not claim to be correct, no matter how emphatic I can be on occasion.)

However, within the altered state of consciousness to which I am referring, and which I have experienced in a memorable way, there is no time or space. There was a "setting":  there is awareness, and there is love, and there is very little else. There is consciousness of the vastness of all that is, and an overwhelming sense of compassion, which extends to what is left of "self" and all others.

That part of "me" which is "self" was simultaneously smaller and larger because it entered a state of being much greater than who I am in this life -- and that is why I no longer fear death.

Seagull, it seems you are struggling to find words that accurately describe your meditative experiences, and that is common. I have heard many people struggle with their words to describe their efforts, experiences and understandings of the subject. Apparent contradicts are often part of that struggle. 

Naturally as one's meditative ability gets sharper, one's ability to describe what one is doing and experiencing gets sharper.

A contradiction does not necessarily indicate a falsity. There can be wider viewpoints that reveal a bigger picture with an explanation - other facts that reconcile the apparent contradiction. Not in all cases, of course, for falsities will always contradict truth. 

The first distinction needed to be made in meditation is to differentiate between self and surroundings, between our thoughts and our self the thinker of the thoughts, between what we know and what we only think we know. But the effort should not be stressed about, but played with, like an amusing puzzle with which we pass some time.

The effort is to peel back the layers of what is not the central consciousness so as to identify the central consciousness, the conscious soul, the central "I". And then to exercise it, intensify its awareness of its own presence.   

It means discarding a lot of what we might have previously considered part of our self, so as to reveal our condensed and actual self. Beforehand it may seem as if there wont be much of our self left but in fact there will be more of our self revealed, awakened and liberated.

Also, differentiate between what you feel and you the feeler of those feelings; observe your feelings from a distance. Be the observer of them. This will separate you from emotional enmeshment and enable a higher mental clarity.

So see, step by step, or layer by layer, like removing layers of cloths, we are isolating the consciousness; distinguishing it from surrounding layers of thought, emotion, and unknown convictions. Isolating and condensing it. And it is our self.

These are only suggestions of course. We all have freewill, which applies to what we take in as well as what we give out.

By the way. There is no level or plane beyond time and space. There is always change, which requires time, and the ability to observe change, which also requires time. Even consciousness of one's own awareness requires time. Any function requires time because time is the medium of change and function. Nothing can happen without it, not even consciousness. But the rate of change or rate of time, and its difference between the rate that we are used to can be so different and unfamiliar that we cannot easily attune with it, distinguish and process it. Things can be too big or small to fathom, and also too fast or too slow to fathom, so we cannot see or perceive them or even imagine them, and so they seem not to be there. But they are. It is just a matter of being attuned and able to smoothly slide through the process.            

    

Regarding time, my understanding is that exists in two ways.

One, in the moment to moment way we experience while in this World.

Two, at a level of being beyond this World where we aren't limited to single and limited moments in the same way, yet we continue to exist anew, because if we stopped doing so we would stop existing.

Re. Synchronous events.

Four mornings ago as I looked across the paddocks towards the distant hills an audible thought passed through the mind – Presenting communications on ancient knowledge.

Then from my right about 100 yards away came a flock of ibis, the bird of ancient knowledge. They flew into my field of view, across to my central vision to several hundred yards away where they settled in a field.

Then a magpie flew down from a tree to stand on the middle ground about 200 feet away, between the ibis and myself. The Australian magpie is not the northern hemisphere magpie; it is an unrelated bird that looks like a raven but is starkly black and white. It is the bird of contrast. It is powerful and aggressive and in spring time will attack anyone who comes into its territory, and yet it is easily tamed and makes a lovely pet. (I have had several as pets) It has the most beautiful song of any bird, a warble or carol that fills the night air on moonlit nights in early spring, and yet it also has the most unpleasant squawk of any bird. Along with the raven it is probably the most intelligent of birds, but is more versatile than the raven, wider in its scope of behaviours. The adults have a great sense of space, distance and motion, are able to anticipate, solve problems and actually communicate ideas with one another, yet the chicks are the dumbest of young birds, remaining dependent for food on their parents long after leaving the nest, and have little sense of space, distance or movement, take a long while to learn to fly and have many accidents as they learn.

Then directly in front of my face, less than arm's reach away on a wire fence settled a blue wren chick that looked directly into my eyes and chirped. The Australian blue wren (some call it the fairy wren because the male flits about like a blue fairy) is a beautiful little bird with majestic shades of blue and grey. It flits about with a lovely agile action, is friendly and social, and the male has plenty of lady friends. It feeds mostly on insects and is a friendly field and garden bird. 

So, lined up in my central vision were three kinds of birds presented; before me was the little bird of pleasantness and beauty, then behind it in the mid ground stood the bird of contrast, sharp and deliberate, and behind it in the background stood the birds of ancient knowledge, graceful and distant.

While gazing at this perfect line of nature’s feathered messengers I heard the drawn out ark-ark-aaaark of a raven, then from somewhere else another one, and more, and in my peripheral vision I saw several about the landscape, communicating distantly with each other as they do. Then the blue wren chick flew away, then the magpie, then the ibis.

That was a beautiful post. I am visiting my dad in sunny Florida and, as I walked out the front door to take my dog for her morning stroll a couple of hours ago, a group of around 10-15 white ibises flew directly toward me from a front yard across the street. I had startled them when I came through the door. I often see a few here in this lake district walking through the yards or flying overhead but never had a group fly right at and over my head in this way. Nicely done.

Well, there you have it - open the door, look, step out and look up.

Or however you best interpret it.