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A Question & Thought About Disks/Spirits
May 12th, 2017 at 2:24am
 
Justin: "about a year ago, I mentioned to you [Roger] publicly that I got the strong sense that you were either a cop or federal agent of some kind, or retired from same."

That is the most compelling psychic experience you have ever reported on this site!  I guess it's time to "out" Roger.  Haven't you noticed that many posters have disappeared from this site one by one in the past few years?  Well, Roger is an ex-Homeland Security spy, who has been assigned to sites like this and is responsible for several arrests.  Yes, he is now retired, but he is on Trump's short list to replace Comey, and if he is approved by Congress, well, all of us should be worried!   Cool

Actually, your ad hominem attack exposes your lack of psychic acumen.  Roger is very empathetic and well attuned to his complex emotional life.  During my various returns over the years,  I especially looked forward to his probing questions.  And he has had at least one mind-bending psychic experience that has impressed me far more than anything you have posted here.

Speaking of cloak and dagger, back in the late 1970s, a Yugoslavian agent tried to recruit me to do clandestine missionary activity by being smuggled across the Yugoslav border into Communist Romania.  When I protested my ignorance of Slavic languages, he promised me the companionship of the runner-up in the Miss Yugoslavia pageant as my interpreter!  I didn't decline right away because I was eager to meet a gorgeous woman, had just seen the latest 007 movie, and wanted to nurse the sexual fantasy for a day.  That's the closest I've ever gotten to being a James Bond clone!

Roger, I shall eventually respond to Justin's claims from a biblical and Swedenborgian perspective.

































 

   
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Reply #1 - May 12th, 2017 at 3:54am
 
  Originally, I had written a long reply to your last reply Don. I've decided to keep it more brief and pointed. 

  Re: Roger, and this is something I've asked him directly about before and never received a direct answer to other than "My life was saved and I had an NDE like experience when I was a child"* indirect answer.: (*Aka his experience which blew your mind, correct?)

  Why is someone whom has repeatedly by this point, said that exploring the afterlife/nonphysical is a fool's errand (and lately also adding "dangerous" in a super generalized, absolute and fear spreading sense), and whom rarely ever talks about direct personal experience with the spiritual and/or nonphysical (minus a couple of references over many years, to a childhood NDE), at a forum completely devoted to this activity and the importance of this concept/premise? 

  Why not go to a fundamentalist site/forum, wherein everyone whom believes that everyone whom believes in something other than their narrow belief system, is being influenced by demonic entities? 

  Re: ad hominen, for every ad hominem comment I've ever made to or about Roger, I've received at least two more.  When we got into a debate about the events on 9/11, every reply from him contained ad hominen attacks and had nothing to do with the facts, logic, and impersonal debate that I was trying to engage in. 
    I also asked him to stop bringing it up on the main forum, and to address it in the Off topic section and specifically started a thread there to address it.  Interestingly, though he talked a lot of smack and game on the main forum, he didn't take up the challenge there.
   It was almost like he didn't really care too much about the points and the debate, but was trying to stir up controversy and dissent-specifically on the main forum.  Since then, he also has managed to slip in a number of 9/11 references, though under the guise of afterlife related subjects. I will give him that he is good at being subtle. Just like his occasional subtle digs at Bruce Moen and his work. 

  Re: his developed empathy and attunement to the Feminine:  Almost exactly a year ago, we went through a phase/cycle where 1796 (aka Crossbow), Rondele (Roger), and another poster were constantly attacking, in a vicious, very personal way, me.  This was nothing like Albert and I and our recent replies to Vince, where we were being critical, but out of helpful intent.  No, this was very negative, petty, destructive stuff.   

  One of the above posters has some difficult challenges not of their own fault, and doesn't always mean what they say or do. On a couple of occasions during this cycle, Rondele (Roger) purposely egged this poster on, congratulating him on his insight into my lacking character and speaking positively to and of him, after he would attack this self in a personal way

I took this mistreatment from my 3 friends whom had a formed a little gang of bullying and ignored it for awhile.  But after 1796/Crossbow called me a psychopath, I started to speak strongly back to these folks. 

  Shortly after, for some reason, I was first banned, then the other person was banned, and then 1796 was banned.

   Tell me, to prod and provoke, egg on and encourage a person with difficult challenges into negative behavior...how does this come ANYWHERE near empathy, Love, or anything that is positive and constructive?   

  Roger was USING and manipulating this person and their issues to attack me by proxy.  Yes, it is QUITE fitting, and Like attracts, begets, resonates with, and likes Like that Roger has worked for the US Federal Government in D.C. for many years.

   I see through Roger, even though you and most here  don't (Romain did and spoke up about it publicly once).  You don't have the intuition or discernment to see through and into people clearly. But I will say, that I have a much more positive view of you, because for all your lacks and areas to grow in, I do know that you are a pretty consistently honest, direct, and sincere person and that ultimately, you mean well.  Heck, if you were ever in this area, I'd sit down and have a beer with you. 

   If people want to continue the personal oriented comments, please either p.m. me or bring it to the Off Topic section.  This thread has been derailed enough as it is. 
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Reply #2 - May 12th, 2017 at 9:57am
 
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   If people want to continue the personal oriented comments, please either p.m. me or bring it to the Off Topic section.  This thread has been derailed enough as it is. 


Don is quite right. Your and Albert's posts have been nothing but ad hominems in almost every reply you've made to me (although you often do it to others too) ever since I stated that I was a Christian, but when one post is made criticizing you, it's suddenly time to stop.

You two have been on a mission to discredit me while leaving the actual content of my posts virtually untouched. When sources are linked refuting points that are made, you then go on to attempt to discredit the source with more unfounded ad hominems. The fact that you can't engage in a conversation about a topic without resorting to making personal statements about the person is a very troubling sign, even going so far as to post a video I made many years ago having nothing to do with the subject (a time when I was essentially a completely different person in my values, morals, standards, etc, partially due to being disillusioned with new age philosophy) to attempt to show me of bad character, claiming I'm not loving, unbalanced, demonically influenced, etc. And the irony is that these personal attacks demonstrate these exact qualities in yourself, even going so far as to claim a conspiracy against a respectable man on his deathbed, and rather than consoling and offering sympathetic words upon learning of Bruce's fatal condition, more petty argument and accusations are made towards him. The strength of such an ego is undeniable to all with eyes and heart.

In one post Albert claimed I had psychological problems with absolutely no idea of the actual nature of the things I was speaking about and totally ignorant to the evidence backing them, not even caring to probe further to learn, but instead jumping at the chance to make negative personal remarks about me. But why try to understand another's perspective when it feels so good to pass judgement? And when I made the decision to stop responding to such unproductive posts, I'm again accused of being unloving and closed minded. It just doesn't stop.

Since I began posting again on this site this year, I've done nothing to deserve this treatment. If future posts are going to be more of the same personal attacks while ignoring the actual content of the posts, I'm going to begin reporting those members. Hopefully the new moderator becomes aware of what is taking place and will be brave enough to do something about it if it continues. I'm here to learn, grow and share truth with others. If what someone says is unfounded, wrong or potentially harmful, then you show this by refuting the content of their statements with evidence and solid logic, not by claiming they are demonically influenced, suffering from hysteria, or implying that they are illogical, unintelligent, unloving, etc. It is a shameful thing taking place here. I pray it stops.
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Reply #3 - May 12th, 2017 at 10:37am
 
   Vince, some facts outlined in a very clear and specific/detailed manner since it seems you are lacking all self objectivity of late: 

  I was away from this forum for almost a year, and only started posting again within the last couple months or so.  Your very first public reply/response to me when I recently rejoined, contained personal judgement and criticism towards me. The context was that I spoke critically to and about Bruce Moen, because I didn't understand why I kept having problems signing in and kept having to change my passwords (at the time, I thought probably Bruce was doing this--I don't think so now as a number of people have reported issues with this site. I think it's being "hacked"). 

   You spoke rather judgmentally and personally to me then.  Here is a link to a thread, where I reply to your later reply about it:  http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1489766174  See third post on that thread. I could also find the original reply by you too if you would like?   

   Another fact: You very recently sent me two p.m.'s which were full of personal, extremist judgement and ironically, in the first one you sent me, you labeled it "My final message to you." despite that after my reply back, you sent me another, and then apparently blocked me from responding to you.  Not only did you make very judgmental and personal comments about me, but also about Albert. 

  I could take screen shots of these messages and post them here, but I won't do that.  You know I speak the truth. People that actually know me here and that are more objective about me, know that for all my lacks and faults, honesty is not one of them.   

  You are not un-spotted and pure here.

  Another undeniable fact:  Both Albert and I have addressed specific questions and points you have made, a number of times, from both a scriptural and larger, more holistic, metaphysical and spiritual context.   

   It's there plain to see.  Such as me quoting John 10 in response to your illogical rebuke of all "New Age" sources being influenced by demonic forces and using higher/disk etc self beliefs to mislead people and to make us think we are gods.  I actually quote an NT chapter that deals with that very subject of us being "gods". 

   You can continue with your charade of self indignation and purity, but seriously, please, you are acting like a spoiled, little brat whom adults took away your lollipop because it's time for bed and you need to brush your teeth and now are throwing a temper tantrum (consider this a parable of sorts).    

  Have Albert and I recently spoke personally towards you.  Yes, and I would say, of course we have considering the very extreme, black and white, very limiting things you have been repeating time and time again here publicly.  We're both worried about you and hope that our outlining things may have the influence to help you see what's really going on. 

  Not because we dislike, hate, or want to see you suffer (quite the opposite, because we love you and ALL people).  Actions and interactions are constructive or destructive most in relation to the inner intent and motivation that one is partaking from.

  Yeshua, the Master of Love Divine, occasionally personally criticized and rebuked not only members of the religious elite of his times, but also of regular, everyday people--including his own mostly loyal disciples at times.  He said to Peter a teaching lesson, Get behind me Satan (adversary), when Peter suggested that he should take the easy or human way out things (I can imagine that Peter was probably very shocked by Yeshua speaking to him like this, and maybe THAT was the point and intended effect?).

  But he was trying to bring conscious awareness to their unconscious, limiting, stuck shadow aspects, not to hurt them. It was a form of "tough love". 

   I believe you can be reached, otherwise I would not be engaging you at all.  I'm going to address your "experts" comment in another reply, impersonally so (not about you). 

 
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Reply #4 - May 12th, 2017 at 11:19am
 
   The issue of "experts" in relation to a previous reply here by "I am Dude":  I have had some very telling experiences with various experts over the years. The following was probably the most memorable and also one of my first: 

   Around age 16, for a few months or so, I was taking Prozac prescribed by one "expert" because of depression issues.  I didn't like the way it made me feel, and so I stopped.  Shortly after, I developed a health condition wherein every time my body became warm or hot, I would experience and break out in all body, intensely painful hives. 
  If I took my shirt off during one of these reactions, it would look like I had been whipped (my face also became extremely red and blotchy--NOT fun when you are in High School and trying to fit in). 

    I first went to a primary care physician whom was absolutely useless.  Then I went to a dermatologist whom was absolutely useless as well, but he suggested that I see an allergy specialist.  That was the next step, my mom, on referral, brought me to Boston Children's Hospital in Boston MA, a very prestigious medical treatment center.  There, I met with an allergy specialist, Dr. Brown (a then young, white male of about 5' 7" or 5' 8", with glasses), I believe his name was.

  After much questions and some testing, Dr. Brown basically told me that I had a rare, genetically based, allergy to heat.  I forget the technical term he used, but yes, he told me that I was allergic to heat and that it was caused by genetics.  He then prescribed me a strong anti-histamine, that also showed some initial, experimental, anti depressant effects (but not approved for that specific use).  I was also prescribed EPI Pens, in case the allergic reaction became so bad that I would go into anaphylatic shock.  He told me that I would have to be on these drugs for the rest of my life. 

   I don't know if it was because I've always been rather intuitive, or because I was tested at the optimal age, to have an unusually high IQ (some 20 points above start of genius), but I was extremely, extremely skeptical of the good doctor and what he was trying to sell me. 

   Later on, during a moment of despair, frustration, and extreme emotional upsetness, I prayed to God and Helpers to please, please, please help me because I was not getting true or adequate help from "experts" around me.  I was led to an Edgar Cayce based book and long story short, I eventually healed myself, through ever increasing/refining changes in diet, health lifestyle, attitudes and spiritual changes, of this supposed "rare, genetically based, allergy to heat." 

   This experience made a lasting impression on self from then on, and indicated to me that "experts" are not always that wise or expert. I'm sure Dr. Brown meant well and tried his best.
  I figured out for self, the reason why I developed this issue, was because the Prozac had caused or exacerbated  gut/intestinal lining damage, which combined with a very unhealthy diet and general lifestyle, and tremendous amounts of stress (my Mom, the person I was closest to in my life, being sick with cancer, a psychopathic step father, and various other challenges), led to an extreme body imbalance and a build up of toxins in my system that were not being adequately gotten fully rid of through the normal, proper channels (kidneys, color, etc), but instead were directly circulating in my blood and my body was trying to get rid of it through the skin, which is why every time I got warm or hot, it would signal the body, "ok fellas, time to release some of this gunk through sweat!" 

  I know this is true, because every time I did sweat A LOT (I started running after reading the Edgar Cayce book), I would not have this reaction anymore for about a full day or so, when previously, I could have it up to 5 to 7 times a day (or more, if I wasn't careful and didn't move slow, didn't get emotional, the temp in the house wasn't too high etc). Also, I had the least symptoms in the Summer and the most in Winter.

   So, you know what, I don't go by outside experts, except for on my car, because I'm unmotivated and uninterested in learning about doing my own mechanical work.  Everything else, I either learn on my own, or go within and contact the Creative Forces and they help me, JUST as they did, when I was 16, some two decades ago. 

   Don't let yourself be taken in by so called "experts" such as the bible researchers you keep linking to. Yeshua advised that we go within and directly commune/contact Father God/original Creator. 

    The Creator and the purely Creative Forces are the true Experts of experts, and can help a person more than any other "experts", especially unenlightened/non completed humans. 

 
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Reply #5 - May 12th, 2017 at 11:22am
 
Don, you said, "That is the most compelling psychic experience you have ever reported on this site!" Such a statement shows how little you think of Justin, in the past Roger has expressed similar sentiment. The two of you speak in such a way because you don't understand where Justin is coming from. If you did, you would have a much more loving attitude towards him. 

I believe in viewing Jesus as a role model. My belief is that he loves everybody dearly, even new agers that follow channeled sources. He understands about good intentions. Roger might cry, but this doesn't mean that he reveres new agers in the way that Jesus probably does so.

I'll use Doc as an example. I wouldn't call him a new ager. He's not into channeled sources. However, going by how he presents himself, if you looked into his heart, you would find that he has nothing but love for people that might be referred to as new agers. He doesn't need to look down on them in order to feel good about himself.

Doc and Kathy seem to have an interest in you. I wouldn't be surprised to find that before the two of them incarnated here, they had the intent to help you in some way. Justin and I, according to your current way of thinking, are too extreme to be helpful to you. Interesting thing, Doc and Kathy are more like Justin and I, than like you.

Dude:

I don't recall calling you crazy. I did say that it seems as if you are being influenced by sources that aren't helpful. For instance, you said that this planet is the center of the universe, and the notion of other planets and stars is Satanic deception. I believe it was necessary for at least one person to speak in a blunt way about this.

When you look up in a night time sky and see stars (and perhaps falling stars), where do they come from?

I never had the intent to be rude towards you. I feel nothing but love for you. From a Oneness perspective, I thank you for the challenge you are now taking on. Chances are that neither Justin or I are much of a help to you at this point. I believe Don can help you, because he knows the Bible and its history quite well. You suggested that God could've willed it so the Bible says precisely what he wants it to say. This is the area where Don can help you.












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Reply #6 - May 12th, 2017 at 11:53am
 
Justin

I acknowledge my faulty and sinful nature. I don't try to hide behind excuses and self righteousness. Slipping up now and then is quite different from making a consistent and concentrated effort to attack a person's beliefs and character. I simply explained what has been taking place here. Read all of the threads that I have posted in over the past few weeks and you will find the majority of my posts are followed by posts from you or Albert containing personal judgments of my beliefs and character, most of which do not address the actual content of my posts. Your pride blinds you from the reality of your words and actions, as they tend to have the opposite effect of what you claim to intend.

As for Albert, I lost a lot of respect for him when he claimed that I may be suffering from hysteria after I shared how wonderful my life had become after finding Christ. He is correct that I am mainly here to share ideas with Don. I got the feeling a little while ago that you guys figured this out and took it personally, as I've noticed you two have made many statements indicating such since then. Let it go guys. You can follow my lead, as I now let all of this go. I've surrendered my feelings about all of this to my Most High Father and it's such a relief. May you be at peace, and may God guide you to focus your energies in a more productive way.
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Reply #7 - May 12th, 2017 at 12:01pm
 
  Albert, I somewhat agree with you about Don (in relation to Dude/Vincent), but I believe that the Loving, original Creator and Yeshua, (and Helpers that work with and for these) and directly communing with these, can help Vincent and anyone far, far, far more than the huge, huge, huge majority of fellow humans.

    I believe that Yeshua and Vincent's Spirit/Expanded/Disk self has been trying to contact him, and have gotten through some, which is why he is now interested in Yeshua and the Creator, but I believe that at the same time, negative beings are very, very strongly focusing on him and trying to lead him astray, even as Yeshua and the Creative Forces are trying to get through to him.

   A battle is taking place between the lower and higher self within and without.  I hope, and KNOW that ultimately, Vincent's Soul and his Helpers can triumph and help him to eventually reconcile his Light and shadow sides which are being so intensely highlighted and contrasted simultaneously now (the very meaning and definition of the Planetary symbol Uranus).  Uranus is currently in late Aries, very closely squaring (in a  90 degree angle to) his Sun in late Capricorn.  (Vincent, I also have Capricorn Sun like yourself, but earlier and already went through this cycle awhile back). 

  I think at this point, it likely would be better for me to stop replying to and about you Vincent for now and perhaps for awhile, and just focus on praying for and feeling Love towards you during meditation times.

  Having been in this battle intensely myself before, I really do feel for you, more than you can realize.  When I was involved with ACIM, I became really, REALLY uncentered for awhile. 

  I said some very cruel and hurtful things to Kathy, whom has mostly tried to be a positive and helpful person to me consistently, and whom is also a Helper in the flesh and a very wise, caring, loving old Soul. Looking back, I cannot even believe what I said to her at the time of personal challenge for her--it was that extreme, dark, and hurtful what I said. I was intensely going through a similar kind of battle between the higher and lower self, and was in a very extremist (Uranus), and slow vibratory (Saturn, Pluto, and Mars) cycle. (It's not an excuse, but a very psychic female friend of mine, told me at this time, that she saw a very large and very dark spirit trying to influence me, and I know that ACIM helped this connection to take place more than it would have normally). 

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Reply #8 - May 12th, 2017 at 12:19pm
 
Dude:

It makes sense that you lost respect for me, since we are seeing things quite differently now.  Regarding the hysteria comment, well, one example, there are people that fall really in love with their gurus and walk around feeling bliss. They like the bliss and use their intellect as best as they can to reinforce their beliefs about their guru, so they can continue to experience bliss.  Eventually they find that their guru isn't what they believed him to be and that they can experience bliss without him.

Perhaps some day you'll find that you can feel love without viewing God, Jesus and the rest of existence according to how fundamentalists view such things.  You don't need to try to side with God in such an extreme way, in order to be with him.

Did you ever see a celebrity that had too much plastic surgery? One of the reasons this happens is because they are surrounded by too many "yes" people who won't say what they really believe. I don't want to be like that, even if some people end up viewing me in a negative way. I'd like to add that I wouldn't go to a fundamentalist Christian forum and say what I say. I consider the neighborhood I am partaking in.

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