Copyrighted Logo

css menu by Css3Menu.com


 

Bruce's 5th book, a Home Study Course, is now available.
Books & Tapes by Bruce Moen
    Bruce's Blog now at http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/blog....

  HomeHelpSearchLoginRegister  
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
Re ACIM and Gary Renard (Read 4803 times)
Recoverer 2
Super Member
*****
Offline


ALK Member

Posts: 552
South San Francisco
Gender: male
Re ACIM and Gary Renard
Apr 7th, 2017 at 1:04pm
 
Some of you might remember this, some forum members such as Justin, Rondelle, Berserk and myself have in the past written about how we don't believe that ACIM and Gary Renard are good sources of information. (I don't think Berserk ever said anything about Gary Renard.)

The other day I ran into a site by a man named  Bruce Fraser  MacDonald. Mr. MacDonald (to avoid confusion with Bruce Moen's name I'll say Mr.  MacDonald) claims that he is the reincarnation of the man who wrote "The Gospel According to Thomas." Supposedly, the author of "The Gospel According to Thomas" is was Jesus' twin brother.

Surely some of the above will cause people to have doubt. I am not creating this thread with the intent of validating Mr. MacDonald's claims. People can decide for themselves what he is about. I am providing links to his site because he does a good job of showing that Gary Renard is a fraud.  I've read a lot of Gary's "Disapearance of the Universe," it is basically hard core nonduality, and is very misleading.  Anybody who is a fan of the book shouldn't be insulted by what I say here, because according to the book, this world doesn't exist at all, there is nobody to forgive, and nobody to do the forgiving.

I am also providing a link to Mr. MacDonald's site, because there is a page that does a better job of explaining why ACIM is false, than I ever provided. Mr. MacDonald said he received these words from God and Jesus. If this seems questionable, remember, in an inconsistent and contradictory way, ACIM claims that Helen Suchman received words from Jesus.

I believe that it is possible that Mr. MacDonald actually conversed with Jesus, because the only name I ever received from my guidance has been either "Jesus," or "Christ." Some of you might doubt this, that is okay. What's more important, does the information in the links provided make sense?

http://www.thomastwin.com/23%20A%20Who%20is%20Gary%20Renard.html

Below are some words from the below link.

http://www.thomastwin.com/21%20A%20Jesus,%20God%20and%20ACIM.html


All of this immediately creates a conflict, as you can see. You are left with the choice whether to believe what is written through Bruce MacDonald or what is written through Helen Schucman.

            That is a critical choice.  Again I assert that ACIM did not come from me, from Yeshua, Jesus, the one you know as the Christ. We have already seen that the narrator, the person actually doing the teaching in ACIM is not reliable.  And in claiming that it came from me, it also lies.  ACIM thus has a primary level of its meaning which came from a major deception when it claimed to come from me.  It is built on a lie, and your confidence in it is based on a lie.

            The choice is yours, of course, whether to believe the lie or to examine the matter more closely.  The consequences are very real, since neither your life nor the world are illusions and decisions you make have real effects which stretch through centuries.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
rondele
Full Member
***
Offline


ALK Member

Posts: 181
Virginia
Gender: male
Re: Re ACIM and Gary Renard
Reply #1 - Apr 7th, 2017 at 2:42pm
 
Hi Albert

Yes, I participated in discussions about Renard and his book. My reaction was that it was an obvious, transparent fraud. Actually I thought then, and still do, that it was a ripoff of ACIM just as Conversations With God was. Both of these people wanted to cash in on the popularity of ACIM. Same concepts, with necessary tweaks to make it appear as unique works. Such as the phony ascended masters invented by Renard who conveniently destroyed all evidence of their existence.

Regarding ACIM, I'm confessing that at first I was convinced it was the Holy Grail of truth. Finally we were getting answers to everything, and from Jesus Himself. Subsequently I began to realize it could not be the words of Jesus. It was contradictory to the Gospels. Its message that there's no such thing as sin because everything is an illusion. No wonder it was so popular... no reason for guilt because we really didn't do what we thought we did. And there were other clues. At times the words were uplifting, other times they were cajoling and scolding. And in one of the lessons "Jesus" slips up and refers to himself in the third person!

From the websites you provided:

"To Bruce, the fraud was blatantly obvious, even though to others, unfamiliar with the life of the early church, it was hidden".

In response I would say to Bruce that the fraud was just as obvious to me. Unlike Don, I'm not familiar with the life of the early church and yet it certainly was not hidden to me. So maybe you should avoid patting yourself on the back. I sure wouldn't.

R
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Recoverer 2
Super Member
*****
Offline


ALK Member

Posts: 552
South San Francisco
Gender: male
Re: Re ACIM and Gary Renard
Reply #2 - Apr 7th, 2017 at 3:04pm
 
Roger:


Regarding my seeing Renard as a fraud, when I checked to see what he is about I didn't know about the Thomas identity mistakes he made. I saw him as a fraud because 1) he supported ACIM which is a misleading source that doesn't seem to come from Jesus, 2) his books says things that don't sound true, and 3) his explanation as to why he doesn't have recordings of meeting with the two physically manifested ascended masters he claims to have met, doesn't seem true.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
I Am Dude
Super Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 1462
Gender: male
Re: Re ACIM and Gary Renard
Reply #3 - Apr 7th, 2017 at 9:08pm
 
Hey Albert

I used to be a defender of such channels and the information they brought. I've now come to realize you were right all along. I see how the most high heavenly father has brought me to this understanding in a way which was unique to my path. I appreciate you. Peace and blessings.
Back to top
 

But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you.
 
IP Logged
 
Recoverer 2
Super Member
*****
Offline


ALK Member

Posts: 552
South San Francisco
Gender: male
Re: Re ACIM and Gary Renard
Reply #4 - Apr 8th, 2017 at 11:48am
 
I initially thought of creating this thread on the off topic section, but figured it might get more exposure on the main thread. It would be nice if importance was considered when determining where a thread should go.

Is this thread important? Well, for one, I didn’t write it for my sake. I wrote it because I care about the welfare of other people and this world. If there are sources of information that lead many people astray, I believe it is worthwhile to say so.  I also believe that it is no small thing if Jesus is misrepresented.

When I first started reading ACIM, I can’t say that I was Mr. Wisdom as I did so. I was anxious to read something that supposedly came from Jesus. The book has a “lot” of pages, and due to my anxiousness, I read through them quickly, even though my guidance tried to give me clues that I should take care. Eventually I noticed that the course was having a brainwashing effect on me.  This being the case, there were a number of times I meditated, prayed, and asked God and Christ if ACIM from Jesus. On more than one occasion, in some way, I was told “no.” I was also told that it has a negative origin. I also had some dreams that made the point that the course leads people astray and not in the direction that Jesus taught and represents.

After finding this out, I took the time to think about the course in a thorough way, and found that it was misleading. It claims that God didn’t create this world, because everything that God creates is perfect. With a similar way of thinking it claims that God has nothing to do with this world. If this is so, then what created the world? Is there something, after looking at the chain of causation,  that ultimately doesn’t have God as its source? If everything ultimately has God as its source, and everything God creates is perfect, then there wouldn’t be something that is able to create something that is imperfect (if you consider the matter from ACIM's false circular logic). The reason imperfection exists is because when God created us, he had the wisdom to give us free will. This free will enables us to sometimes create things that aren’t ideal. This doesn’t mean that God isn’t perfect and that he isn’t here in this world. His presence and guidance is always available.  Even if a person doesn’t seek such presence and guidance a person can catch glimpses of God when they see beauty, see people share love with each other, and other ways. Such beautiful things couldn’t exist if the beauty of God’s being wasn’t available. If a person reads ACIM and allows it to program his (or her) mind to believe that God has nothing to do with this world, he is likely to create a barrier between himself and God.

ACIM also places way too much emphasis on ego. Each of us was created so we do in fact have an eternal self. ACIM will get a person to think of their sense of self in a false way, rather than a true way.

With its extreme repetition of the same few basic points, its attempt to get people to believe things that aren’t true, and its 365 day affirmation course (Would Jesus teach in such way?), ACIM is set up so that it can have a brainwashing effect. Would a valid source of information take such an approach? Going by my experience and what makes sense to me, a true, healthy and balanced approach to spiritual growth leads to freedom of mind.

Dude, I appreciate your comment, but please consider what I say with a grain of salt. As you can see above, I sometimes have a problem figuring things out accurately.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
SourceLover
Ex Member


Re: Re ACIM and Gary Renard
Reply #5 - Apr 8th, 2017 at 12:17pm
 
  Regarding ACIM, I've outlined before that whom and/or whatever was involved in writing this book, had a very good understanding of how the conscious, personality mind interacts with the subconscious, soul mind and vice versa.  The beings involved understood hypnosis, suggestions, and how the subconscious mind works.

  ACIM is written in a manner that is so repetitive, that is extremely boring to the conscious mind, lulling it into inactivity and thus allowing the subconscious mind to become more active and sensitive. It then injects suggestions formed around the problems or the things we are trying to transform. That is what the emphasis is on, and that's what gets programmed into the subconscious mind as active suggestions. 

  When reading it, I found myself becoming MORE egotistical in nature. I also had the odd experience of nodding off almost every time I read it for more than a brief time. It wasn't until I had a dream related to this work and that it was spiritually hindering and limiting in nature, that I really questioned it.   I also started talking to Albert in a more personal way around this time, and there was the synchronicity of him getting messages from his guidance against it.  The combo of the dream and the synchronicity, really made me pay attention and I dropped it then and there. 

  I agree with Albert that the human body ego is not all bad or negative in nature.  It actually serves a helpful function until a Soul is strong enough to not need it anymore. Overly trying to surpress/repress one's ego, often backfires and causes more problems in the long run.  It's similar with sexual energy. 

Both the ego and sexual energy are best handled by "redirection" and transforming through the power of Love and attuning to Source within (which is easier to do through deep meditation). Repressing or suppressing either artificially, can cause a person a lot more problems than having a normal or temperate expressing of or attunement to these.   

  Trying to get rid of ones ego without the above process, is like pretending one is not hooked up to a physical, animal body that is largely fear and survival based.  Good luck on pretending that!  (which is why I don't anymore).  I've become more relaxed and laid back towards both self and others in this area, which has led me to become more tolerant of self and others.  This has been a good/constructive thing.  I now don't feel the need to demonize self or others according to our naughty, bad ego.  I just recognize it is part of life/experience here, accept it for what it is, and try not to let it overly influence or control me too much (occasionally it does, but that's also ok). 

  I use to really deeply worry about ego and my ego.  I use to think that I needed to be or should be perfect like Yeshua. I then realized, even Yeshua had some of that until his body died and he created a thought form body patterned after it.  If even Yeshua couldn't fully transcend the nature of the body while connected to same, and he was born with a unusually fast vibratory body, and was from and of Source Consciousness, what chance do I have to do it?   Yeah, face/beliefs meet wall/reality.  Cheesy   

  I do try to remain open minded to the possibility, but I don't dwell on the issue anymore. Meanwhile, I just try my best to open up and attune to Love while connected to a body--hopefully bringing it along some, if not all the way. 
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
SourceLover
Ex Member


Re: Re ACIM and Gary Renard
Reply #6 - Apr 8th, 2017 at 12:26pm
 
p.s., regarding the creation of ACIM--I currently lean to it's creation being the result of the collaboration of Sons of Belial in the flesh (CIA connected individuals), and a negative ET and/or nonphysical force. How conscious or unconscious this collaboration, I don't know, but we do know that ACIM has clear connections to the CIA and more specifically to the MK Ultra program which was based around the manipulation and influencing of perception in core ways.  Sometimes called "brainwashing", which I find a very inaccurate term, because no "washing" is involved.  It's more like brain-filthing or brain-distorting. 

  It's well documented that the MK Ultra program and program offshoots, and the various people involved--psychologists, military folks, CIA agents, etc, experimented with everything from using drugs like LSD on others, to researching hypnosis and the subconscious mind. 

   ACIM may be a combo of an experiment in the conscious sense (let's see what this does to people), and in the unconscious sense (the ET and/or nonphysical side), let's hinder people's spiritual paths and growth. 

Hopefully these posts don't appeal to some people's "inner teenager".  The rebellious part that feels, "ooh a taboo, let me try THAT", or feels, "drama, I love drama, got to check out the drama". 
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print


This is a Peer Moderated Forum. You can report Posting Guideline violations.