Clearly, the above beliefs are based on both on ideology and psychologically driven.  The beliefs and perceptions i've outlined to you, are based on self and others experience and what guidance has told self and a number of others.  You know, you kind of failed to address pretty much all my specific points, like how a number of NDE's and many high quality psychic source talk about the changes that i also happen to talk about. 

  I'm guessing you are someone that has a certain amount of attachment to material wealth.  Actually, that is patently obvious. 

   Like your views about the ok'ness of mistreating animals for self's material pleasure, your views here are a defense of the little self and ego of same. 

  You profess to be a follower, or at least admirer of Yeshua (Jesus), yes? 

   Perhaps you don't know this, but Yeshua practiced a form of combined socialism and communism, as we might call it today.   How so?    Jesus had no attachment to material wealth whatsoever, and didn't have any personal money to speak of.  Did he ever once ask for any material compensation for his healings, teachings, or the like?

  Some of his disciples, or latter "apostles" though, did have money.  Some of them were even wealthy.  Yeshua told all his main disciples that they needed to pool together their wealth in a common pot.  The money was not for them anymore (they had to give it up for the collective good), but for others they came across who needed material provisions.  The super poor folk in other words, the ones without enough clothes, food to eat, etc

     You can't get any more communistic and socialistic blend than that! 

  However, such practices will only succeed when it's motivated out of inner spirituality and a more pure Love.  Most forms of these that we have seen in the world, were started by people with some attachment to wealth, material power and the like.  Course they were doomed to fail and be mis-used.  It was not motivated out of a more pure Love, as was in the formers case.

   However, Yeshua's form succeeded for awhile, because he himself had no attraction or desire for material wealth or material power, there was no misuse or abuse of the material principles involved.  He also kept his more innately materialistic friends, the disciples/apostles in check. 

   Again, more focus on him and what he actually taught and teaches now, would be helpful to self's spiritual growth.  There is nothing innately wrong with material wealth in and of itself.  It's the attachment to and over focus on same which tends to be so limiting in so many ways. 

   So many of the problems in today's world, is based on a system wherein materialism and greed is put on a pedestal, and corporations and banks as a trend personify this imbalance and destructiveness. 

   We are coming to a time, an unusual cycle wherein all that doesn't work and what is not based on the real aka Love, will be wiped away. 

  This has happened in other human periods.  The times of Noah were similar, and Yeshua spoke of our times-his then future times and compared them to Noahs wherein people would be eating, drinking, and in great merriment and these changes would come upon them as a thief in the night, and they would not be prepared because they had so focused on the material rather than the spiritual. 

   For a more modern perspective, check out the guidance that Monroe received about these changes.  He was told that we were coming to an unusual cycle, a 1 in a million years kind of cycle wherein great crisis and potential would exist side by side. 

   You can continue to believe in what you want to believe because it's convenient for self and self's material appetites and attachments, or you can can start to perceive the deeper truths. 
 

   A wee bit over melodramatic no....

     Here is a secret.  Just as George Bush Jr is really not a Christian, neither was Stalin really a socialist or the like.  On the surface, it seems to be about ideology, but these are masks for the public.  This is to fool people, to gain popularity or power with the majority, to say what they think people want them to say.  A tool of manipulation.

   Such folks rarely really have any true beliefs beyond power for self.  That's all they really care about, power and money.  And they will use very different and even seemingly opposing masks for the same purpose!   

  Just as Obama is not a socialist, but a man who is an actor and puppet for people who again have no real ideologies beyond self, power, and materialism. 

  We have been fooled, time and time again, and the purpose is to keep us divided and weak, confused and polarized.  Let's fight the battle of left wing vs right wing, while the people with the real power laugh at us because they know how much they have orchestrated such black and white belief systems and camps and could care less about the issues and arguments we have.   

  Both sides are manipulated and fooled, the majority of people, whether they identify with this or that have bought into the lie.

  Here is where we differ, apparently majorly.  I find that most people that i meet, the average common person, whether or not they identify with the left or right, tend to be decent hearted people who are trying their best with what they know and the awareness they have.  Yes, they have their dark sides and their lacks, but i don't focus on that, because if i did, i would go insane or at least become severely depressed by the sheer amount of darkness in humanity in general as a collective total.

   The people that i talk about in a more extreme way, are very rare and i've never even met one in person.  They are not the average folk you have conversations with.  They are the 1% of the 1% so to speak.  They have immense, simply immense wealth that most of us cannot even begin to fathom, and they are pathological about gaining ever more power, influence and wealth.  They truly have sold their souls to Baal and Mammon. 

   It is only these, that i wish to see taken out of power.  But, even if i had the power to do so, i would not personally harm them or take them out of the equation.  That is for God and the purely Creative Forces intune with same to handle.  Or for karma, and karma or like attracts and begets like always comes around sooner or later.

  Meanwhile, i speak not from ideologies, wants, wishes, or the like, but from guidance given to me by expanded guidance including the Teacher of teachers.  My life and beliefs are most based on his life and example, and he is ever my compass and my standard.   

    The facts that i bring up, which is clearly in the NT, and how he practiced and advocated a spiritualized form and blend of what we might call socialism and communism as regard material resources, you conveniently do not address or even acknowledge.  For, if you did, you might have a belief system crash.  Easier to ignore and gloss over.

  All that dislike, all that angst, and intolerance to those horrible "socialists", leftists, etc, would have no where to go.   

  What i see in those people you described, is this.  They start off with higher ideals than the average, want to create positive change in the world, but once they been in the system for awhile, and they experience first hand how broken, how corrupt, and see and feel so much darkness and suffering, well only the strongest can resist being resonated or corrupted by some of that darkness themselves (and most people in general are not that strong and spiritually centered).  More over, a lot of them, feel a lot of anger and powerlessness at their inability to really change things for the better.  Some start to get twisted and cynical.  Dark sarcasm and the like becomes their way of venting and gaining a sense of power and control. 

   My wife is a teacher and i've met some of her older teacher friends--i've seen that bitterness and cynicism--none of them start off that way though.  I have a good friend who is a social worker and psychological counselor.   It is perhaps one of the most stress filled and depressing jobs imaginable, and again, it takes a very strong, centered, and mature Soul to keep self inviolate. 

  I have compassion for such people.  I have compassion for the "right wingers" as well, because i realize they are often heavily brain washed and conditioned (often starting as a young child in the home).  Any person so attached to a particular group, belief system, and societal ideology is brain washed, or as the Monroe/Moen crowd likes to say, stuck in limited, narrow belief systems.

  Have you taken the logs out of your own eyes that you can so extremely and negatively judge your fellow co workers and so regulate and pigeon hole them to being such horrible, hate filled human beings?  Do you see the pain, the desperation, the stress, the feelings of helplessness behind those limited and destructive thoughts and feelings? 

  In short, you have a long, long way to go before you start to see through the eyes of Him, whom you profess to believe in and care about. 

  A first step would be to study and focus on his life.  Even, and especially, his views and practice toward the material fruits of the earth o' owner of the olive groves. Or his rebukes to the material, political, and religious powers of his day. 

  And ask yourself this, if Jesus was here today, whom do you think he would tend to side with more as a trend, the more hard core and extremist liberals and leftists or the more hardcore right wingers, conservatives, etc.? 

He would find lack in both surely, but his ideals, his ways, and practices very clearly do come closer to the former more than the latter.  You know, free social work, free community work, pooling of individuals' resources for the collective, free healing, telling people to give up their attachment to wealth and power, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. 

  How can you think his truths and teachings belong or apply any less in our day than in his day?

  Hey, maybe Jesus is one of your despised enemies too?



  Sigh  (written partially while sipping on a glass of red wine  )


p.s. if my words seem overly strong, it is because i'm speaking to one who professes to be a follower of Yeshua Ben Yosef, and yet refuses to see where they and he clearly disagree.  Just as Yeshua had little patience and tolerance for the hypocritical Pharisees, Sadducees and spoke strongly to same, do i have little patience and tolerance for hypocritical Christians who preach differently than he taught and exampled.
   

   

  Currently work part time as an in home aid to an individual who has some disabilities.  Because of Obama Care, my hours got slashed--use to be able to work 39 hrs.

  Why do you ask Mandy?

  This has been an interesting lesson in projection, and evasion of addressing another's holistically logical points during a disagreement. 

  When two parties have a discussion wherein they disagree on some topics or points, isn't it interesting how often when one party cannot logically refute the other's points, it then becomes completely about the person they are disagreeing with and how lacking or negative they are, however subtly and indirectly it's put.  It's a type of distraction from the logical points made and personal defense of ones beliefs.  It's a kind of minimizing and character assassination.  Misdirection and half truths, the essence of propaganda and manipulation. 

   You often see these kind of tactics and behaviors in certain groups with certain ideologies, such as say, Fox News. 

    Humble is not a word i generally associate self with--certainly, i could use more of it as the world counts and considers humility. 
  However, i do have enough humility to check my beliefs and convictions.  How i do so, is usually two fold.  One, i go within and appeal to and ask for help and wisdom from those who are more aware, wise, and intune than this little self. 

  Another is to look at a collective pool of generally respected sources who also do similar, or were given info from beings or levels more expanded than themselves. Particularly interesting are those sources, such as NDE's, which often involve no conscious prior belief systems related to the information received and wherein there is so little connection with the body so that self can expand quite a bit beyond what humans generally do while very connected with the body, whether classic OBE'ing, meditating, etc.   

  When research into that collective pool, shows certain strong and repeating patterns and trends, certain "agreements" and similarities of particular info, AND at the same time matches what one gets from going within...  Then self may perhaps be dealing with that elusive concept called "truth" in a bigger picture kind of way. 

   Well, thank Source for at least that much humility--without it, one would be much more blind and believing in what one wants to believe in as convenient for self or influenced by various fears, materially based attachments, etc. which are so common and strong in most people.  Truly, the truth does set one free when perceived, accepted, and lived. 

  Set self free, communicate directly with Him, the one who made you and i.  Accept no less, not even one's "Higher self" is yet as aware as He, because there are few higher selves of us in humans who are as expanded as Him. 

   After you talk with Him, then we can talk about how deluded or not, this in many ways ordinary and yet in some ways a bit different, Justin is with his various pronouncements, his talk of earth changes, of the necessity for a leveling to occur, and reality of dark forces both in-human and non human which seek to keep humanity stuck, limited, and suffering and who are good at their work.

 

   

  If you're implying that politically, i'm a "socialist" you are really off. I don't belong to, or label myself according to any group based on any ideology.  I didn't vote for Obama in either election either btw--saw through him from the get go.

  But i do see a time, after the coming collapse, wherein people will begin to see the wisdom of choosing of their own freewill, to share more freely in a collective sense.  This collapse will be a big wake up call for many, as to what's really important.  Not image, not money, not material power and influence, not technology, but helping one another, sharing, kindness, communal work, nature and environmental concerns, prayer, meditation, spiritual attunement.  Eventually these focuses will become the main ones.  Not something legally or politically enforced by fellow humans, but a natural reaction or development in relation to having all that is unimportant suddenly being taken out of the equation. 

   It has the potential, to eventually facilitate a collective/group Christ Consciousness within a rather short time period as humans go (some thousand years or so)--as Bob Monroe and others have been shown (Howard Storm was shown something similar). This is why i had a dream wherein i knew that Yeshua wanted these changes to happen so he could fulfill the spiritual transformation of this world.  Dreams are not created by our conscious, personality minds, but often dreams like these are messages from Higher self and/or the Creative, Universal Forces.

  As the old saying goes, you can't put new wine into an old wine skin.  There is MUCH in this world that is limited and limiting in it's very nature.  That needs to be taken out for the former to arise more fully. It is the old wine skin par excellence.   

  Clearly, you do not heed his words, "As in the days of Noah, will the coming of the Son of Man be like...."   "Wars, and rumors of wars... earthquakes in diver places...signs in the Sun, Moon, and Stars..."  (we will see these many earthquakes in diverse places soon)

  This is not being done by a political group of human socialists, but by the Laws of Source in combination with nature's cycles and the Will of the Creative Forces.   

   You keep trying to make this about politics and government, when it has nothing to do with politics or government.   

  But i will point out again his life.  Jesus said to his potential disciples, if you are to follow me, than you must give up your earthly lives, give up your attachments, your wealth, etc.  This was not a, well maybe you have to, or should, but a demand.  There was still freewill and choice involved--they didn't have to become his disciples, but if they wanted to there was no disagreement to be brooked. 

    Was Jesus a socialist or communist as the world counts same?   Could we put him, or his true followers, into such little narrow boxes? 

   Why do you keep trying to distort these messages back to the political, earthly, and governmental in nature?  It is and has been very clear that this messenger has not been speaking from a political stance or motivation, except to say that current politics need to be more informed by that which is Christ like in nature.    It's not about a specific party or earthly ideology.

  You addressed my thread, my posts, disagreed with these, but instead of making it about what i was talking about, you keep making it about your political agenda and personal hangups and prejudices. 

  You also have extremist views towards your fellow humans, and over generalize and in blanketed way judge all people who identify with a certain label.  Surely not all people who identify as being socialist are all evil people who are going to murder conservatives once they get the chance. 



 

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Hah, i see your Heretic, don't try to change me or my ways, and i will raise you one. 

  The following is what i see/think when i see folks so individualistic, and so focused on the little self and self's rights, wants, etc.  The little ones who have much to learn. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0-KZS1dDyw

  "Whateva, i do what i want".  Also maybe the battle cry of hard core right wing conservative types, just saying, since we can't seem to get away from extremist over generalizing and focusing on political ideologies on this thread...

Justin, Cartman in the video depicts a Jerry Springer type guest for whom "I" could very well spell the body. Couple that with "I do what I want" and Jerry has got a show on his hands.

Comparing the guest and a random stranger - "I do what I want" can not only be different but even wildly different.