I use a grade from 0 - 10 (10 is the best/highest) on books and documents.


My Big TOE, three Volumes (+800 pages), 1 ed, 2003, Thomas Campbell

GRADE: (see individual Volumes below)


In the text below I use the word "Volume" to distinguish between the three
parts of the book. Campbell uses the word "Book" to describe one of the
three parts, but this is confusing as the book also can be found in an
on-line version of only one piece (one book).

My review is based on the version of the book presented in three separate parts
(three Volumes).

Campbell has further divided his book into a total of 6 Sections, each Section
consists of several chapters.

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In the text below I sometimes use the word 'astral' to keep my text shorter,
where I in fact mean the 'non-physical reality', be it an OBE or a visit
to some world outside our physical universe.

Let me start with saying that I'm a little disappointed with the book.

One property of Campbell's book My Big TOE is that it is almost without
specific content most of the time.

It's amazing that Campbell manages to write a three Volumes book about the astral,
without providing the reader with any information or specific details about the
astral world.

One reason may be that Campbell doesn't want to pollute the reader's mind,
so when the reader one day manages to go OBE, that reader is not coloured
by Campbell's view of the astral. But still, the lack of specifics and
details are a big let-down of Campbell's three Volumes book.

Authors like Monroe, Moen, Muldoon, Leland and RB have lots of specific
details, their own experiences and plenty of information about the astral
in their books.

Campbell has almost nothing.

The upside of the book is that it is freely available at Goggle Books. Anyone
can read it on their own at no cost at all.

When visiting forums on astral matters, Campbell's book is often highly praised,
which I really can't understand having read it and found it to be of poor value.
To summarize things, Campbell's three Volumes book My Big TOE has the
following main characteristics:

1. The book is boring.
2. The book takes ages to come to the point.
3. The book repeats the same statements, in various forms, 20 or sometimes
   even 30-40 times. Reading seemingly endless variations on the same subjects
   such as "entropy", "evolution", "consciousness", "science", "reality" and
   similar, adds very little new understanding to the reader.

4. The book's many claims are either obvious, fuzzy or too general in content.
5. The book lacks content to back up the not-so-obvious claims of Campbell.
6. The book is both forward and backward referencing to the absurd, sometimes
   to chapters not really related to the subject currently read, in a way
   which adds nothing new or very little to the context.

7. The book at times contains lengthy enumerations of various objects, which
   doesn't add anything to the content, and makes the book even more boring.
8. The book lacks detailed descriptions and experiences of the non-physical.
9. The book deteriorates during the later half of each Volume, being particular
   boring and repetitious during the second half of Volume II.

10. The book at times, at least to me, radiates an aura of artificiality and
    not being too honest.
11. Most of Campbell's jokes (many in his asides) are boring. When Campbell tries to
    use sarcasm to be funny, even that fails to be fun, it's only becomes sarcasm.


From start to finish, it took me almost a year to read My Big Toe. During
that time I finished several other books.

I would have expected something more from a professor in physics.

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My Big TOE: Awakening, Volume I, 1 ed, 2003, Thomas Campbell

GRADE: 5.5


At the beginning of Section 1, there is a handy list of abbreviations, which
Campbell uses through-out his book. I think he has listed almost all abbreviations
with a few exceptions (see for example page 193).

TOE stands for Theory Of Everything.

Before the actual text of the book start, there are several brief recommendations
from six persons with various academic backgrounds. They all highly praise
My Big TOE (TOE) in big words.

The brief recommendations are repeated in all 3 Volumes of TOE.

I also note that TOE gets high grades at amazon.com, which is a mystery to me.
But a few of the amazon reviewers has noticed that Campbell repeats a lot of text.

Campbell has a very bothersome style of writing. He seldom goes directly on the
subject. Instead Campbell starts any area with a long blurb of text, which
is very wordy and often contains little substance. Campbell's consistent use
of these blurbs of texts, both obfuscates the content and sags the reading
of his book. The book becomes a very slow read.

It's unclear to me why Campbell goes around beating the bush with his blurbs
of texts, as the reader certainly will try to figure out if there is anything
of value inside those blurbs, often becoming disappointed. I've seldom found
anything of value in those introductory blurbs. Campbell's extensive use of
blurbs of text, lowers the grade for his book.

In the preface, I'm also having a hard time with Campbell's use of the expression:
"profound mysteries and ancient secrets", as it is undefined.

Campbell further gives a lot of promises in the preface to his book, which I
later can't really say that he has fulfilled.

The preface contains one important piece of info, on some subjects there will
be "asides", text areas which stray from the main topic. These asides are
marked with a special dingbat symbol.

Campbell does a lot of repetition in his book, which also contribute to slowing
down the book in an odd and convoluted way. The problem starts already at the
Synopsis, before the table of content, where Campbell gives an outline of the
chapters. He then repeats his outline of chapters a second time in his preface.
One time would have been enough.

Repeating some parts, for example because they are important, could be a good
thing to do. But Campbell is repeating too many different matters too many times,
which have a negative effect on the book.

The initial part of the book also has too many wrappings; the brief recommendations,
the synopsis, the preface, the foreword and the introduction.

I would have expected a well educated person to be more direct, more clear and
to avoid repeating textual content by no good reason.


In the forewords, Campbell states that consciousness is the computer (page 34),
to me the "computer" is the same as the hardware. I think this statement is
important:

Consciousness = The Hardware

(Later I found out that Campbell thinks that consciousness also is the software)

In the forewords, Campbell also states:
"...you must grow your own Big TOE." (page 36)

Hmm..?

Will this book tell me anything about TOE, or is TOE a virtual concept, which can
change into anything? Most of Volume I goes on with quite vague formulations and
too little actual substance.


But Volume I has one good part.

Section 1 is very good and is about Campbell's background and childhood
experiences. Campbell mentions several details about his research at The
Monroe Institute (TMI), which at that time had a slightly longer name.

Section 1 is worth reading.

If Campbell had held the same high standard through out his book, as he does
in the Section 1, I would have given the book a much higher grade.


Section 2 is more convoluted and Campbell falls into a mode of repeating the
same things over and over again. He also seems to postpone the content of his
book, by pointing to Section 6 at the end of volume 3, not revealing in what
direction the book's content will go.

On occasions, Campbell seems so content with his own words and likes repetition
of his text too such a degree, that it eventually becomes silly as he urges
the reader to re-read the same sentences. His repetition strategy become a little
too much, for example Campbell's re-reading instructions on pages 136, 176 and 240,
of Volume I.

At times Campbell's style of writing turns into a dance with words, more than
containing anything of value. Perhaps I'm too old, I've seen too much, read too
much, which makes Campbell's book contain very little new info. Maybe a child
from 8th grade will get more value out of Campbell's book?

Campbell's AUO stands for Absolute Unbound Oneness, and is his hypothetical first
consciousness that everyone started from. AUO is kind of godlike and resembles
Monroe's Creator or Whole, or even RB's Source.

Later on Campbell uses the abbreviation AUM instead of AUO, to symbolize that
The One has evolved over time.


Section 2 contains a lot of talk with not too much of value about people's belief
systems trapping them and that science and astral phenomena are difficult matters
to join. It's a boring part of the book.


At times reading Campbell's book feels like reciting a slightly boring, slightly
repeating mantra:

Big TOE. Big TOE. Big TOE.
Entropy. Entropy. Entropy.
AUO. Big TOE. AOU. AOU.
Evolution. Big TOE. Big TOE.
Survival. Entropy. Big TOE.
AUM. Big TOE. Big TOE. AUM. AUM.


In Volume I, Campbell indicates that there might not exist a general TOE:

"...a comprehensive and complete Big TOE is relative to your perspective,
knowledge and limitations." (page 118)

Campbell makes me sigh. If I read the full book and finally get the answer,
that I have to create my own Big TOE, he certainly has written a huge bunch
of words, which could have been cut down into much fewer pages.

Campbell urges the reader to distinguish between beliefs and knowledges. He
also touches the subject of disbelief and sceptics. He fails to produce
anything new under the sun.

Sometimes Campbell uses very long sentences, which makes the reading harder
as the text content often is vague, and further lowers the grade of the book.


What's interesting is that Campbell is very positive to the concept of mysticism,
and the concept of Love.

Campbell praises mysticism alongside science. He also introduces the postulate
that any non-physical reality, outside the physical, will affect the physical
but not so much the other way around. And there may be layers of non-physical
realities which affect the innermost realities.

But he provides almost no experiences of his own to strengthen his claims.


Campbell also urges the reader to read a book called Flatland from the
year 1884, to understand higher "astral" dimensions. The book Flatland was a
political statement in a time when political criticism was disallowed and books
like Gulliver's Travels had a high time.

In one aside, Campbell gives some advice how to go about doing meditation and
how to construct your own mantra, around pages 175 - 178. May possible be
worth reading, unless you have more thorough meditation sources.

At times reading Volume I is a little disturbing, because I as a reader am
very uncertain where the book is heading, if it is heading anywhere at all.
It's so unclear at what goal Campbell is heading during most of Volume I.

According to Campbell, Big TOE must stand on at least one mystical leg.
Mathematics alone can not produce a Big TOE.

A Big TOE without any mystical connotation, must with necessary be incorrect,
(pages 185 - 186).

One half in making a Big TOE, is the need for the existence of a consciousness
that apparently is an infinite Absolute Unbound Oneness (AUO), page 191 Volume I,
from which we all have emerged as tiny parts.

The other half needed for making a TOE is something called the Fundamental
Process of Evolution.

I would have hope that a physicist wouldn't have made such vague and unclear
statements. Campbell then has great problems construction anything meaningful
out of those two "halves", which makes his TOE drift aimlessly in space for
the most of Volume I.


Campbell's book is also disturbing in the way, that it quite often points forward,
to chapters/sections to come. That style of writing creates two problems. The first
problem is that the reader may feel that the "current" chapter is of little value,
which it often is because the content is vague and fuzzy. The second problem
Campbell creates, is the irritating feeling that the reader will have to wait
for a long time, until anything of value will be reached in the book.


In Section 2 Campbell talks about entropy, but if you already know what that is,
you will perhaps expect Campbell to explain how entropy fits into the picture of
the non-physical reality. That's not what is going to happen. Instead entropy
becomes a kind of "internal" state in consciousness, which increases the degree
of mysticism in Campbell's writing. Stating that evolution of the consciousness
is an improvement of entropy, gives little new info to the reader. Stating that
evolution of the consciousness is an improvement, that would have been enough.

Hmm...

Entropy.

There is an issue here.

The thermodynamic definition of entropy is that two objects, one warm and one
cold, will over time achieve the same temperature if they are close together in
space. Time and space.

You see?

Time and space.

Entropy is defined in terms of time-space in our physical reality. If there is
no time-space in the non-physical, how valid is the use of the concept "entropy"?

In Volume I, Campbell somehow indicates that the non-physical must have a time of
its own.


Regarding AUO, the first consciousness, the mind Campbell has given the abbreviation
AUO, who is not God, but kind of god-like. On page 208, Campbell makes the somewhat
strange remark that AUO's "external environment" can't be part of a Big TOE!

*cough*

I thought a TOE would cover a huge lot of things, but apparently it doesn't cover
the AUO's external environment, whatever that could be.

Now, if Campbell could have defined exactly what he means with an external or
internal environment of the AUO...

Campbell goes on to describe some ideas about the AUO, entropy and evolution.
I may either be too old or have read too many books, but nothing of the stuff
Campbell writes is new. And it is also sketchy, lacking substance, being
too wordy and very lengthy in text.

Perhaps the AUO concept is important? But I would have preferred it described
in less unclear words by Campbell.


I'm having a hard time swallowing that the astral should obey similar evolutionary
Laws of Nature that biology do. After all, non-physical reality is not made out of
physical matter. Because of that, it would have been good if Campbell had backed
up his often quite fuzzy "scientific" statements, with some experiences of his own.

In fact, it would have been good if Campbell had backed up _any_ of his claims,
with some experiences of his own, like Monroe, RB, Leland, Short, Ziewe or Buhlman
have done.


In the later part of Section 2, Campbell introduces the concept The Big Computer
(TBC), and declares that TBC is an equivalent to AUO's consciousness. Campbell
describes TBC in quite boring and lengthy terms, as it is a huge computer with
memory and processors.

Campbell seems to have some kind of problem finding anything interesting to describe,
and he often becomes wordy about things which are either just obvious or plain
contentless.


To bring something into concrete terms out of all those words, Campbell makes some
claims about his AUO concept:

* AUO somehow emerged in no-time, no-space and gained awareness (page 208 and others).
* AUO created duality, which other authors also have claimed (page 215).
* Then AUO somehow created time (also page 215), the first tick-tock.
* After that, AUO discovered space (page 217).
* AUO becomes "digital-thinking" as it evolves (page 246 and others).
* AUO eventually evolves into an Absolute Unbound Manifold (AUM), (page 250).
* AUM has space-time as one of many internal environments (page 256).

To back his claims, Campbell has some simple diagrams on pages 216 & 217, which are
not enough to convince me that he has explained anything.

Specially, I would have liked some experience of Campbell, to back his claim that
the AUO-AUM consciousness became "digital".

A little later Campbell seems to change his mind about what was discovered and what
was invented. He claims that AUM created space-time in the sense of an invention,
on page 256-257.


Campbell calls the smallest time increment to AUM, for "fundamental time quantum".
Such a claim requires some assumptions to be correct (page 259):

1. There suddenly exists time where there has been no-time earlier.
2. Time is quantified in increments.
3. Something "astral", changes in accordance with this time increment.
4. Physical matter ticks by a (different) time increment too.
5. All time increments must have the same length.

Campbell, who should be a scientist, doesn't back up his claim about a quantified
time increment in the non-physical. He reports no observations that this is true.

I would have wanted Campbell to state his experiences to back his claim,
specially as we have not in our physical universe been able to prove that
there exists a quantified time increment.

I must say that Campbell does a poor job of explaining what he means by space and
by time in relation to the non-physical. He can't make it sound sane. But he claims
that physical space is an illusion. Maybe he is right?

But I would have liked the experience described, which backs his claim. A story
like Monroe, Short, Moen or RB tell. I can accept an experience, but unbacked
claims doesn't convince me.


At the end of Volume I, all Campbell's small asides becomes bothering, as they
add very little to the content as a whole. It's also annoying that Campbell constantly
points to the end Section in Volume III, and at the same time gives the reader an
impression that all Sections before the end Section has to be read, to fully
understand the end Section of Campbell's book.

A 'reality cell' is Campbell's equivalent to a Monroe Locale III universe.
Sometimes Campbell mixes similar expressions and doesn't seem to be able to
make up his mind what expression to use. 'Reality cell' is also called
'other reality systems', and our reality cell is abbreviated OS (Our System).

Campbell comes with various claims about his AUM concept. For example that there
is an upper limit to the number of 'reality cells' to the AUM-digital-system, as
he sees the AUM as both being computer, programmer and operating system.

But Campbell doesn't give the reader any description on how he has acquired this
knowledge, so to me it hangs thin in the air as yet another unsubstantiated claim.

Also, when Campbell claims that there is a minimum DELTA-t time increment, he
should have said at least one word about how he has managed to measure time at
all, in the astral. I don't think anyone has succeeded measuring astral time
or any non-physical time. So any claim about how increments of time are divided
has to stand on solid ground, which Campbell this far has failed to provide.

Campbell would have won a lot by putting more structure into his claims and he
could remove some of his large, mostly pointless text portions which often only
state the obvious.



My Big TOE: Discovery, Volume II, 1 ed, 2003, Thomas Campbell

GRADE: 2.0


The corner stone of Volume II is that it is almost content free in regards
of anything new, not already mentioned in Volume I.

Campbell repeats the exact same synopsis, acknowledgement, preface and foreword as
he has in Volume I. I would really have liked him trim down at least the foreword.
Repeating the exact same text doesn't make it better. It just makes the read more
boring. (In the one-piece book (all Volumes in one), this repetition is not done.)

On page 41, Campbell repeats the same synopsis which he already has written on
page 9, and it is the part of the synopsis from Volume I. I have no idea why he
decided to twice repeat the synopsis from the previous book.

Some claims by Campbell.

* Big TOE has to be mystical, it has to deal with mysticism.
* AUM is _not_ infinite.
* AUM experiences change as the smallest DELTA-t time increment possible.
* Campbell on PUL: "Love is the result of low-entropy consciousness." (page 49).
* The future has not happened yet, so you can't go _into_ the future, you can only
  go to a _probable_ future scenario.

In Volume II, Campbell writes a lot about the "right" or "wrong" choice, and
"good" and "bad" motivations. Page up and page down. But very little of Campbell's
writings seem to have anything to do with the astral or a TOE. I consider the
initial part of Volume II having almost no usefulness, as it just states the
obvious of everyday life.

By now it has become very clear that Campbell's TOE is only in relation to
AUM's (the "god"/superconscious) mind, as Campbell claims that conditions and
details which interacts with anything outside AUM is of no (!) interest for TOE,
see page 72.

Around pages 103 - 109 Campbell has a very long aside (and an aside inside the
aside), which discusses computers' consciousnesses. Problem is that he makes
a poor effort to define what he mean with consciousness, and the whole aside
changes direction over the pages and leaves the reader with very little solid
info. I also wonder why he puts this computer-aside in the book? Maybe it
could be because he thinks that the computers consciousness is connected
to the non-physical reality, scrapping the hardware doesn't alter it?

Campbell produces another pointless one-liner in _bold_ at page 109:
"Organization is the ultimate form of energy."

Long boring descriptions of the ego, desires, some aspects of consciousness,
synergy and how it relates to consciousness. And a small passage on love.

  I didn't read all of My Big TOE--mostly because i didn't see the point since i got the gist of what was being, as you noted, often repeated. 

  I think there is plenty of good/helpful info in the book, and ultimately, it may be a sort of a moral code in disguise, but one thing i wish there was more of in the book is talking about techniques and methods to help us find out for ourselves our own Big TOE.  There is a little talk about the void and how to experience same, but it's more of a side note. 

  I disagree with the advice on and about the void to some extent anyways.  To me, the void state that he recommends is the same old, same old, Eastern over Yin/Right brain state of being of almost complete stillness, quietness, and receptivity.  There is value in in learning to quiet the "monkey mind" for sure, but it's not the end all for the meditative process. 

  I prefer the Hemi-Sync like state of being wherein the Right and Left brain work together in unison, wherein the receptive, still part of us and the active, thinking, creating part of us merge, and we can use whatever is most helpful in the moment.  But yes, it would be helpful if My Big TOE placed more emphasis on technique and methods, and explained these within the context of Consciousness and how Consciousness works according to the "rule sets" pre set up. 

   I've seen various replies from Tom to people at his forum, and i could feel and see holistic wisdom emanating from his advice/words, which is one of the reasons why i think Tom is the real deal.  I figure there may be deeper reasons of why he wrote his book the way he did, but since he is not a He/She type yet, there may be limitations and distortions of perception.   Actually, there has to be--it's really just a higher physics. 

  The more difference between one's wavelengths and that of the purely Creative Force within, which we are connected to by PUL, the more errors, limitations, and distortions of perception there can and will be in one's personal TOE. 

   Many at Tom's forum, seem to think and seem to treat Tom if he is an infallible guru figure, and it would probably be helpful if he actively curtailed this kind of perception and mystique of him.  In some ways, he seems to foster this mystique--especially through allowing the main moderator of that site to clearly and powerfully put him on a guru type pedestal.   That moderator is clearly obsessed with Tom, his work, and his "special relationship" with the powerful, infallible guru that he thinks Tom is. 

  This is very limiting, and Tom has been asked to wake up to this. 

Somewhere within his book Tom wrote that he and Robert Monroe considered what Seth says when they tried to figure things out. Tom also wrote that one should have a mind that is both open and discerning. I don't know what Seth books he and Robert Monroe read, but both "Seth Speaks" and "A Nature of a Personal Reality" say things related to Jesus that seem quite false to me.

If Tom read the two Seth books I mentioned above, I wonder why he didn't notice that Seth said some bogus things about Jesus. Could it be because his feelings towards Jesus are tarnished by fundamentalist Christianity to an extent where he can't find the need to use an open and "discerning" mind when he considers what a source such as Seth says?

The same is true with Kurt Leland. I have two of his books. I find it odd that in one of his books he refers in depth to what Emanuel Swedenborg said yet he's such a big fan of Seth. He tried to channel Seth for a while. Played around with an Ouija board. Eventually he made contact with a being he calls Charles and he channels this being. Why did Kurt Leland fail to recognize some of the preposterous things Seth said about Jesus? Kurt's books are interesting reading, but his viewpoints of what happens after death are quite different than what many others have found and some of things he said are hard to believe.   

If you mean what Seth said, I explain on the link I provided.

PauliEffectt wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 8:07pm:

PauliEffectt wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 6:51am:


  It's clear, PauliEffectt, that you have not communicated with expanded nonphysical guidance re: Yeshua.  My experience, is quite literally all expanded nonphysical guidance types (that i have communicated with) have the utmost respect and Love for this super expanded Consciousness.

He and his life and pattern is even well known in other Galaxies and other Universes /realities.  Every mature consciousness in existence wants to grow up to be like him someday.

Expanded nonphysical guidance types, know that a non religious understanding and focus on Yeshua and his example, tends to have a spiritually liberating effect on others. 

For Seth to minimize this example, to degrade this example, is highly suspect and it means that either Jane Roberts was spouting her own limited and erroneous beliefs through the guise of channeling, or she was channeling a hindering or ignorant nonphysical.  Either way, why would anyone with real experience and discernment listen to "Seth"?

Quote:

Well, as F DeMarco has said at one time when he didn't want to believe in his
guides, if they didn't fulfill his expectations, the guides acted in a style so
they would seem to fulfill his wishes. If his guides had not, he would have
stopped believing in them, and his guides didn't want that development.

Perhaps your guides do the same? They fulfill your expectations in the hope
that they still are able to reach you.

That's partly why NDE for an Indian and a Catholic are quite different. Their
expectations drive what they get to see, or who they get to meet in the astral,
be it Jesus or a Death Deity.

So perhaps Seth was trying to help people release their belief burdens?

To prevent them from being chained by beliefs?

PauliEffectt wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:


  Belief burdens?  Beliefs are only "burdens" if they are inherently limiting and/or erroneous in nature.  How, exactly, is believing that a fellow human became such a pure/open channel of PUL that he completely liberated himself and thus became truly and completely "enLightened" as to overcoming all human, material limitations and telling others they can do the same if they live/chose like he did, a limiting belief?   Hmm, sounds a lot like Bob Monroe's most mature person living in his space/time cycle...   But, i suppose "He/She" is the actress Glenn Close?

  Re: guidance, Frank DeMarco, expectations, etc., my experience with guidance has not paralleled Franks whatsoever.  I've gone with certain beliefs, preconceptions, or ideas to guidance, but decided to be truly humble and to ask with no preconceptions about something, and have been told things which contradicted my prior preconceptions or inclinations. 

   Two recent examples from my experience "log".  I thought it likely that my wife and Rosalind McKnight might be part of the same immediate Disk.  I brought the question to Guidance under more ideal conditions.  I was told no.  I was told that Melissa Jager was part of her Disk though.  A name i barely remembered consciously and was quite surprised to "hear" (i was also a bit surprised to hear the "no" part to begin with). 

  Another recent example, for a bit, i was suspicious of the poster Wonderer, and questioned his intentions, thinking that perhaps they were deceptive or negative to some degree.  I brought the issue to guidance, under more ideal conditions, and told he was a rather old Soul and his intentions were basically loving in nature.  Quite a difference from what my personality self had been thinking and wondering.

   I don't get told things based on what i want to to believe, or previously believe or conceive.   I've long been interested in truth and humble or aware enough to know that my personality, conscious mind, doesn't always know what is expanded truth or not (despite that i've always remembered being a rather accurately intuitive person). 

Re: Yeshua, i've never have been religious in this life, nor have i been interested in religious dogma.  Since age 13, i've been intensely interested in researching and knowing about nonphysical/spiritual reality outside of dogmas or organized beliefs.  I started practicing meditation then, and i would get intuitive downloads (often at night when relaxing) wherein i was told about things like the Oneness of Consciousness, the important of Universal Love, the coming Earth changes, etc

  Re: NDE's, beliefs, and Yeshua, well i've read a number of NDE's, and while prior strong beliefs sometimes do influence a person's interpretation and/or translation of their experiences, this certainly is not always the case by any means.  I remember reading a NDE from a woman who was Jewish with little interest in and no "belief" in Yeshua, who had an experience with Yeshua and realized first hand that he was the real deal and the "Messiah" that her people have long denied.   Interestingly, she saw that he had reddish colored hair. 

This is very interesting since a few other unrelated sources all describe Yeshua as having reddish hair.  Edgar Cayce's guidance, Joe McMoneagle's remote viewing session initiated by Bob Monroe, and the prophecies found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.  Reddish hair is the most rare coloring in the world, and particularly not common amongst Hebrew/Israeli/Palestinian people's.  Nor in popular art or cultural references is he usually associated with reddish hair.

  Perhaps there is a bit of "projection" going on with your label attaching to others of being chained to belief burdens, etc.  I've read some of your experiences with "guidance" or "guides", which did not seem like you were in touch with real guidance, but with hindering, slow vibratory influences.  No wonder you would support Seth's "truth" over Yeshua's, for you don't seem to apply discernment or discrimination to your own experiences, perceptions, etc. 

  I've learned the hard way the importance of applying discernment and discrimination to psychic receiving of info, and have learned through experience that there are very much misleading and hindering forces out there.   One of their main targets, often, is Yeshua because of the fact that he and his example can help to spiritually liberate others.  These misleading, hindering, ill intentioned forces constantly try to minimize, twist, marginalize, and/or deceive others about this Teacher and his life and example.  Most often, they deny or falsify about either the crucifixion and/or the resurrection.   Sometimes they are even more clever, and claim to be him and to help write a book that has a limiting, brainwashing affect on others, hooking people with some truth mixed in with limiting falsehoods.  Also they have created religious institutions and dogmas which often distract people from his real teachings and example.

   If you are actually interested in truth, and finding out what's more true from more expanded perspectives, then i highly suggest you practice two techniques in conjunction.  One--make and sincerely state an affirmation of your deep desire to get guidance and help from only the most spiritually expanded, aware, constructive, and PUL attuned sources, and before asking your questions, practice Bruce Moen's "remembering the feeling of Love" technique or something similar (feeling/thinking gratitude is also quite helpful), and then get deep and still in meditation and ask your questions with no preconceptions. 

   These are ways to help self bypass one's natural, "Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like" reactions, and to bypass misleading and hindering forces which seek to create limiting and false belief systems. 

   Do these and ask about Yeshua and/or Seth, and then we can have a real dialogue.   For, i do ask questions under these more ideal conditions and have been given a number of messages involving Yeshua--sometimes without consciously seeking them (usually these latter happen in the form of dreams). 

  Are you interested in expanded truth, or believing in what you want to believe based on preconceptions or prejudice?

Any guide with enough PUL can take on the appearance of Jesus or whatever deity you want.

I plodded my way through most of MBT, before abandoning it at Section 6, when I realized that Tom wasn't going to share any of his personal experiences.  "Easy entertainment for the ego," he said, or something along those lines.

I can only agree with Pauli.  MBT is, quite simply, all bark and no bite.  Endlessly repeating the same phrases and even whole paragraphs.  Vague metaphysical concepts with no experience to back them up.  I learned nothing. 

Tom's astral projection advice is perhaps the worst I've ever heard.  After laying out the meditation techniques, Tom states that it may take up to three years, and that when you first experience nonphysical reality, it will be like a vivid daydream.  And that's it!

Tom himself was coached by Bob Monroe and learned to leave his body at will.  (He claims he can leave his body in 2-3 seconds from a cold start.)  Why he doesn't give more practical advice is a mystery to me.

Tom's youtube videos are fairly good, and there are some interesting posts in the forum, if you can get past all the science lingo.  The forum itself, however, is fairly useless.  As has been mentioned before, Tom is revered as a sort of guru, and he does nothing to negate this. 

Since this is an afterlife forum, I believe Tom's views on the afterlife are worth noting.  Tom states that it's all simulated.  Your loved ones meeting you at the end of the tunnel aren't really your loved ones-- they are, in fact, computer simulated models designed to manipulate you into being comfortable.  There's an interview with Tom on "The Path" documentary where this is explained.

This is where I stopped paying attention to Tom Campbell.

As for Seth, I've seen a number of individuals discard the Seth material because of what Seth says about this Jesus fellow.  I have my doubts as to whether Jesus even existed.  There's a book about it, "The God Who Wasn't There" or something along those lines.  That's not to say that Jesus can't be encountered in the afterlife.  He is, after all, a powerful cultural archetype. 

I have no issues with the teachings of Jesus.  If he was real, he seems to be an awakened consciousness, much like the Buddha or Lao Tzu.  If one chooses to walk the Christian path then more power to them.  It's just not for me.

As for Seth, I believe his material contains mostly truth, mixed with some nontruth.  This is the nature of the beast when it comes to channeled material.  We can only weigh our personal experiences against these second-hand sources.

Thank you Eric:

I didn't know about these. I'm listening to them now.

Eric:

Regarding what you said about Jesus and Seth. Perhaps you contradicted yourself.  If Seth is basically trustworthy and Jesus didn't exist, then why did Seth spend so much time speaking about Jesus? Can you really have it both ways?

I've had spiritual experiences that played out in a way that let me know that Jesus the man did in fact live.

Did you check out the link to the chapter I wrote about channeling? If you really consider what I said you might see that Seth spoke about Jesus in an untrue way.

If you try to explain the  inaccuracies by saying that channeling includes some communication gaps, then I'd say that going by what Seth said about Jesus such gaps are so big that channeling isn't trustworthy. What Seth said about Jesus is very specific.

I read Rosalind Mcknight's Cosmic Journeys which includes Explorer session based channeled information, and her book very clearly speaks as if Jesus the man did exist and that he was crucified.

recoverer wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 1:27pm:

Well, they had thoughts of "God", so they got to see Jesus. Apparently they had grown up
in a home with Jesus on the wall. They may end up in a BST.

There could be many reasons for a guide to look like Jesus. Perhaps it was a test to see
if the persons were able to see through a lie? Remember, even Monroe was often tested.

Maybe it was the DeMarco Effect - "show me what I think of or I don't believe you".

Monroe saw an INSPEC and thought it was a higher being. But he didn't mention
Jesus specifically. In fact, the whole of TMI talks very little about Jesus.

Other people may see other guides disguised as their favorite choice of god-like entity.
Some see Arch Angel Michael, others see Buddha, or perhaps some Hindu Shiva.
Guides take all kinds of shapes, but they are just regular discarnate people.

  To PauliEffectt and Eric,

  It's likely that no one "physical" can convince you of the reality or importance of Yeshua, and that you will need to have an experience or guidance message to do so, or will find out later when you fully phase into the nonphysical.  However, those with such experiences, might suggest to at least be open minded to begin with, otherwise, if you are closed based on strong preconceptions and prejudice, then it can be more difficult for guidance and/or your own Expanded Consciousness Essence to "get through to you" with certain messages and info.

  An interesting experience to ponder.  Well before Bob's 3rd book was written, wherein he shares his experience with the mysterious, incognito "He/She" figure--an "immortal" human, in his 1st book, Bob relates an odd, but powerful experience he experienced multiple times.  He talks about that no matter what "focus level" (nonphysical dimension or state of consciousness) he was in, he would sometimes experience the following. 

  All the consciousnesses in that nonphysical dimension wherein he was focused in, would get like a signal of some kind, and they would "lay down" with their bellies exposed (obviously somewhat "metaphorical" or symbolic in nature).  Soon after, an immensely powerful, rushing force and Consciousness would come through.   Everyone seemed to have the utmost respect for this powerful Consciousness, and Bob would find himself going along with the others in whatever focus level he was at. 

He asks in his book, "Is this God's Son?"   'God's Son', is an obvious reference to Yeshua (Jesus Christ). 

  And whatever the case with Bob's experience with He/She and this powerful Consciousness, it's clear that the ultra non religious Bob Monroe became interested in what this "Jesus" figure was all about, for he had his friend at the time, the trained Remote Viewer, Joe McMoneagle, do a remote viewing session on the historical Jesus.  (transcribed in McMoneagle's book, "The Ultimate Time Machine") 

  Why would the ultra non religious Bob Monroe, who clearly didn't have much interest in "Christianity", seek information on this Jesus character?  Perhaps, he had had some experiences and wanted to verify with other sensitives he respected, what he had perceived and/or experienced? 

  Also, before i started my own exploration and communications with guidance, i researched a number of psychic works and sources.  Out of all the ones i looked at, perhaps the most verified and vast work out there is Edgar Cayce's work.   The Guidance that communicated or relayed info via Cayce, spoke often on Yeshua and the exalted nature of his role in the grand scheme of things, and confirmed that most of the N.T. was basically correct, especially the major parts.   Jesus became very spiritually aware, went into a public ministry and teaching endeavor, was falsely accused and sent to trial, was tortured, then crucified, and then 3 days later experienced the resurrection wherein somehow Jesus merged the physical body completely into the nonphysical, and then had complete attributes of both but without the physical limitations that most humans have.

  Emmanuel Swedonborg was another very interesting character, who seems to have wracked up some definite verifications of his psychic perception--not to mention the guy was clearly a genius and ahead of his times in many ways and areas.  He also had many experiences with or about Jesus, and found out that the N.T. is more or less accurate as well. 

  Rudolph Steiner was also an interesting and clearly psychically gifted individual, who again, came to a great interest and focus on this Jesus character. 

   It is easy to think self knows it all, but real seekers keep an open, but slightly skeptical or questioning mind.  If numerous, respectable psychic oriented sources with verifications are saying similar things about something, then perhaps, just perhaps there is something to it despite self's preconceptions or prejudice.

  More personally to you Eric--it's obvious that Bruce Moen has a very high regard for this Jesus character as well.  It's perhaps a bit understated at times, but it's clear enough through capitalization of He and Him in relation to Jesus, that Bruce was led to take some bible classes, and Bruce's exploration partner, reported seeing parallels between the concept of Christ and what they were perceiving about the "Planning Intelligence".  You don't have to be personally interested in Jesus to learn and understand that he plays an important spiritual role in relation to humanity in various ways.

  Also, there is a big (and obvious!) difference between being interested in the Christian religion and being interested in him outside of religious dogma, belief systems and institutions.  There are a number of people who don't care for the former (including me), but who can separate Jesus from this and realize that he is sort of like the Guide of guides in this Universe.



    Re: Thomas Campbell, one of the things i find worthwhile and respect about his work, is that he emphasizes some about the importance of diet and health on the bodies ability to perceive the nonphysical or use or focus through, higher consciousness perception in general.  This kind of info is solely lacking in Bob Monroe's and Bruce Moen's work, and Tom's teachings is a nice, balancing compliment to their work at least in this way. 

  (others that also add this balance are Rosalind A. McKnight's work and Edgar Cayce's guidance, which my own repeated experience and guidance has confirmed in multiple ways)

  Re: Tom Campbell again: I have listened to some of his explorer tapes, and some of the Earth changes stuff that his guide "Thor" relayed.  I find it interesting how off the timing was about these.  T.C. and/or Thor, seemed to think that these would manifest by the 80's.   Yet, his fellow explorer, Rosalind A. McKnight's guidance sessions indicated that it wouldn't be until noticeably later. 

This is also true for what Cayce's guidance said, indicating that by '98, these changes in the Earth were and would still be gradual and not cataclysmic in nature. 

  This brings up some questions or issues about what Tom received as regards the dating.  A few possibilities that i can think of.  Tom garbled or mistranslated some of what he was receiving.  Thor didn't fully know what he was talking about (not so expanded and aware).  Possibilities or probabilities were such at the time of the explorer session(s), that major changes could have manifested that early but later changed due to freewill or other influences, or Thor was giving deceptive/misleading information for whatever reason.  I don't know which possibility or possibilities, are the most accurate or pertinent ones.

  In any case, perhaps this is an indication to not place T.C. on such a high pedestal, as i've seen so many place him on?  Obviously, i also completely agree with Albert that T.C.'s supportive words about Seth, also indicate that he can have errors of perception and particularly in that case, really lack deeper spiritual discernment at times. 

  I don't mention these things because i have anything personal against Tom, from what i can intuit, Tom is basically a mature and wise person, and seems to be a good hearted person with good intentions.  I mention these possible lacks, only because i have seen, first hand, how much others think and consider him such an infallible guru figure and how little he actively tries to counter balance such limiting views about himself. 

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1. It clearly is not God or Jesus.
2. Monroe didn't ever seem to come back to this experience, so perhaps it happened while he
still was mostly traveling in BST areas?
3. People did not worship this entity. No one even comments the event.
4. It may be yet another test of Monroe's guides, to see if Monroe would fall into the religious BST trap.
5. No one else of the TMI school seems to mention it.

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Campbell thinks that The Big Computer (TBC) continues to do lots of calculations between
every time increment of the physical (PMR), and TBC calculates possible future developments
in those "gaps" in time to see how well AUM can predict future development.

Some astral travelers may enter such regions of "calculated" probable futures.

Because these calculated simulations of our future look exactly like our reality, astral
travelers may be tricked into thinking that they in fact are seeing future events, when
they only are seeing probable and not actualized events. This may explain why future
predictions fail ever so often, as the OBE person has _not_ seen the future, just seen an
estimation of what _could_ happen in one of many possible future realities.

Campbell also mentions that some future developments are more likely than others,
and that may be the reason to why some predictions come true. Many TBC calculations
lead to the same branch in the digital tree and have a higher probability of actually
happening.

What makes the future take a certain direction is "free will" of PMR's inhabitants, which
functions as a kind of randomness factor. That's also the reason why AUM needs to
run simulations with consciousnesses locked in PMR, according to Campbell.

Reason is that if there was no randomness in the events, TBC wouldn't need to run
a full simulation of PMR, and could instead calculate all the future with an absolute
certainty in one go.

Rosalind McKnight most likely was out on one of those branches of possible futures,
which will never be actualized.

PauliEffectt wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 5:42am:


Why "clearly"?  Does not asking "Is this God's Son?" clearly indicate that Bob Monroe was wondering out
loud if this was Jesus?

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  In his book, he states that it didn't matter where he was in the nonphysical, that this somewhat unusual but not super rare event would occur and he perceived it in the same manner no matter where he was focused.

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  Consciousnesses "in the know" about Jesus, do not worship him as some religious people do.  They do have the utmost respect for him and what he exampled, overcame, and attained in his life as a human.  Every time this powerful, rushing Consciousness came through whatever dimension Bob was focused in at the time, all the consciousnesses in same, Bob perceived did a similar thing.  He interpreted or translated it as them exposing their bellies.   

  Nonphysical experiences are not "cut and dry", they often have to get interpreted symbolically, allegorically, and/or metaphorically via physical and physical like symbols so that the conscious, personality mind can understand, translate, and interpret it.  For Bob, being a more physically focused person at the time, the act of him and others exposing their bellies to this powerful Consciousness symbolized their immense respect for this Being.  It's akin to the animal world and how some species show their respect to the "top dog", by exposing their vulnerable "bellies" to it.  Spiritually, one could say that Jesus is of the very highest consciousness for an individualized consciousness.  Fully and completely at one with the Source.

  Personally, i would have used more clear symbolism than Bob did, but this was in his early days when he had issues of fear, over attachment to the physical, and was still a very intellectually focused kind of person so his interpretation at the time is understandable from where he was at the time.  It's likely that if he had and talked about this experience much later on, like in his Ultimate Journey years, that he would have used rather different interpretation and translation.

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Possibly, but this experience always involved other conscious, freewilled, former humans and again, happened in various different levels/dimensions/focuses. 

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  Well, TMI was set up by Bob Monroe and Bob Monroe and TMI have largely taken a very Yin approach to others and their experiences.  Mostly wisely, they don't interpret others experiences because they know that usually it's the person who had the experience who is most qualified to interpret same.  Like i said, this is mostly a wise stance, but i do think they have and do take it a little too far at times, and have created a belief system and too fixed approach out of this. 

For one, there are other variables involved.  There are Consciousnesses, in both the physical and mostly the nonphysical so called, who are so aware, so mature, so empathic and connected to the Oneness of the Whole, that they can "tune in" to others very clearly and can, from a knowing space interpret others experiences in an accurate and helpful way.  Also, if they are really mature and expanded, they can know a person better than they know and perceive themselves even because they can literally merge their Consciousness with any other.  In other words, truly they know their Oneness with the Whole. 

  Bob Monroe was so individual focused and oriented at times, that sometimes he took it to an autocratic level in his absolute injunction to not ever interpret others experiences, etc.  Case in point is the relationship and events experienced between him and a woman named Melissa Jager he appointed as the director of training (training of the trainers) at The Monroe Institute.  She was in this position for 7 years, during the somewhat earlier years.

  She was fired by Bob Monroe because to his mind, she had crossed the line one too many times in "interpreting" others experiences.  In Melissa's mind, she wasn't so much interpreting their experiences for them, as trying to provide a helpful, philosophical frame work, so that they could better able handle, ground, and integrate their mind blowing experiences.  There was such a lack of structure at TMI in the early days, such a lack of a larger philosophy that some people that were having these mind blowing experiences were having a difficult time with these belief system crashes, etc. 

  It seems that Melissa was trying to help people, not hinder them, but to Bob the iconoclast, it really bothered him and so much so that he fired her rather coldly.  Perhaps both of them were both right and wrong at the same time.  Perhaps both were taking their own respective positions and approaches too far?    The main difference seems to be that Melissa was more Yang in her approach with others, and Bob more Yin in his approach with others at least in this sense or area (he could be extremely directive [Yang] in other areas). 

  It's interesting to take a deeper look at Bob and where some of his beliefs and approaches originated from.  Bob had had a rather authoritative father figure and seemed to have had a more difficult relationship with him than he would let on or admit to others.  Plus, it seems clear that Bob came to rather dislike religion and religious people--had a lack of tolerance towards these, especially in his earlier days. 

In other words, Bob really, really did not like others "preaching" to him, telling him what to do, believe, etc.  He had issues with "authority" to some extent.  He was more or less practicing the relative "golden rule" when he formulated his beliefs of non interference with others when it came to their psychic or nonphysical experiences.  There was definitely wisdom and higher guidance involved, but again, very little is black and white in this world and much is relative and a "one size approach or fit" doesn't always apply.  Some of it came from his intense dislike of authority and his attachments to this. 

  I believe (rather intuit) he created karma to balance when he fired Melissa the way he did, for being different than him and his absolute approach. 


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  I'm well aware how the future works.  As regards future probabilities, my point is that it was T.C. that has been very off with the timing of these events, and so far Rosalind's guidance and Cayce's have been much more accurate as regards the general timing (though the latter's work has really been misinterpreted by many through the years). 

  My intuition tells me this is because they were viewing things from a more expanded level and perspective than T.C. was at the time and more clearly translating and interpreting the data. 

eric wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 10:56am:


  No one said you were, but as you note in the above, your exposure has been through a dogmatic, religious lens, rather than direct experience and guidance about it.  I did not have any of the above type experiences, and it's perhaps my lack of exposure to relgious Christianity and Christians which is partially what allowed me to more easily take a more objective and non prejudiced look at Jesus outside of religious dogma or hang ups with these kinds of beliefs or people who believe in same. 

  I've had just enough experience though, to know that some so called "Christians" can be a rather difficult or distasteful lot.  I can understand why so many dislike Christian religion and those who are religious. 

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  You don't understand, because again, your exposure has been through a distorted lens as regards him, his teachings, and example.  There is little of Yeshua and his real Teachings in many religious, dogmatic, Christian circles and belief systems.  If you had experiences with or guidance messages about him directly, like Albert and i have had, you might understand why we at times emphasize this particular pattern. 

Again, there is a big difference between religion and who and what he was actually. 

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  I'm well aware of the above claims, having done plenty of intellectual research and moreover, more importantly, going within about the above.  We know so little in any concrete way, about so many past figures.  They are shrouded in so much symbolism, so much mystery and myth, that it's hard to say exactly what, historically, happened with any of these past figures.  With Jesus, he is the most recent and we have eyewitness testimony from multiple sources regarding him.  His life and teachings are more or less a "biographical", journalistic accounts that others wrote about him. 

  Also, i've learned via guidance that what Cayce's guidance and Joe McMoneagle's remotive viewing session has said about Jesus is true--that his life as Jesus was not the first time he has interacted with humanity in a teaching and exampling capacity.  Cayce's guidance indicates that he has often either manifested directly here from expanded consciousness states and also incarnated here in the more typical human process. 

  Hence, some of these past figures, such as Thoth/Hermes were "aspects" or projections/probes of Jesus's "Disk". 

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  Not really.  You like black and whites don't you?  Rosie started off with some religious leanings and focus.  It's clear from knowing her, that she became much more spiritual and nonphysically oriented via her experiences, guidance sessions, etc.  She never lost her respect or attraction to Jesus, but she became and was, much more Universal and non denominational in nature and approach.   

  Edgar Cayce started off as being more dogmatically and religiously Christian--however, a similar thing happened with him as had happened with Rosie.  Through his experiences and guidance sessions, he grew out of being dogmatically religious and became much more universal and non denominational in nature, but again keeping a deep respect, love, and interest in Jesus as a teacher and examplar. 

  His Guidance challenged and contradicted Edgar's beliefs in many, many deep ways.  "They" talked about things like the validity of astrology, reincarnation, other systems and visitors from other worlds to our own, other spiritual Teachers, etc, etc. all which deeply challenged and contradicted Edgar's prior, more narrow belief systems.  Edgar came to "believe in" all of the above, through his own experiences, these guidance sessions, and through growing in Love which ever expands ones perceptions. 

  But, you would like to pigeon hole them as simply and completely being "religious", wouldn't you? 

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  Geez, you really are pulling out all the stops to protect and defend your limited belief systems.  There are several clear issues and contradictions with the above statement.  See above paragraph of mine talking about Edgar Cayce and his experience with Guidance and them outlining the validity of many things he didn't "believe in" and which deeply contradicted his beliefs at the time.

  Look at any Retrieval of stuck aspects or consciousnesses.  What do they involve?  A person gets stuck, often, through limiting and erroneous beliefs, correct?  What does "Guidance" do then?  They try to influence that person to change those stuck facilitating, erroneous and limiting beliefs to more free and expanding ones. 

  All Guidance is about transforming and changing limited beliefs, attitudes, views and perspectives, to more and more expanded and free ones. 

Higher levels of Guidance never speak falsehoods in this process.  They may temporarily work within a person's current beliefs in order to better "reach" them, but if they state things like Rosalind's Guidance stated, "Jesus Christ was the highest vibratory being to ever incarnate on the Earth", they are stating a truth as they see it and not "conforming" to the beliefs of those they are working with. 

In Rosie's case, Guidance was not just working with her, but also with Bob Monroe and Bob was very involved with her process, with asking questions, etc.  Her Guidance even chided Bob for his lack of discipline and concern with his diet and health lifesytle. 

Eric, there are so, so, so many issues with your above statement and it's clear that you are grasping at straws for some reason. 

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  See above replies to your black and white statements and beliefs, to better understand the relativity of the process, and the inaccuracy of your current beliefs. 

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  This is exactly the kind of attitude and stuck belief that i'm addressing and trying to counter balance here.  You assume that interest in and awareness of Jesus is synonymous with "religious beliefs".  Why do you not listen when Albert and i tell you that we have never been religious, never been interested in being so, and do not approach him whatsoever from a "religious" or dogmatic approach or perspective?

  I think the Christian religions NEED to die, and will die.  I think what needs to replace them, if humanity is to go forward and grow more, is more and more people going within and hooking up to expanded levels of Consciousness and guidance. 

I think, or rather know, that if you had experiences with or about him from going within and attuning to expanded guidance and/or consciousness states, you would see things differently than you do now with your experiences and beliefs having been influenced and affected by the religious distortions you were exposed to and grew up around. 

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  You assume far too much.  I have explored and researched many belief systems, and i have looked at Buddha, Lao Tzu, Confucius, Krishna, Pythagoras, Zoroaster, other Biblical Prophets or figures, and others.   Not too mention many different psychic or channeled oriented information. 

What i have found is that ALL organized, codified belief systems contain both truth and falsities.  I have found that it is far better to go within and to hook up directly to expanded guidance and consciousness states to get info, and under the ideal conditions which work in harmony with the Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like and the reality of assistance and asking for same. 

  Through doing that, i have found out that Jesus, like Rosalind's guidance, Cayce's guidance, and others like Paul Elder's, David Oakford's have communicated, is the fastest vibratory and most expanded Consciousness to take on human form so far.  I have learned that as he taught, that we can become like him, if we live and choose like he did and become channels for PUL and Source Consciousness like he did. 

  I have found that while many other Teachers taught plenty of accurate and helpful things, that all these are but stepping stones in the affect and awareness that Yeshua has on others, because he was the purest example of PUL yet to publicly teach.  Think of each Teacher as a stream of Consciousness and transformational force.  The most clear, brightest, intense, and purest Light stream, is going to be the most effective and strongest in their effect. 

  Other Teachers, help us to get to the position of knowledge and awareness of him.  They are like stepping stones as the inner vibration increases and speeds up. 

  I talk about Jesus from that perspective and position, but you have and like to pigeon hole me as someone who is "religious" for it protects and defends your own beliefs.  It's ok that you don't believe or know as i know, but again, i would stress that it's important to not get too rigid in your intellectually and materially based beliefs/experiences and to be open hearted and minded, so that if the time comes that your Guidance decides to awaken you and change your beliefs on this, that you will be able to receive the information. 

  It is very easy to block out, ignore, or just not "hear" expanded guidance, especially when strong preconceptions, beliefs, and attitudes are involved. 

recoverer wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:


   I completely agree with the above Albert.  I listened to that explorer session last night, and this is what i got from it and in the context of what they were saying.  "Ah So" seemed to be saying that in many cases, those who have proclaimed themselves as a Christ, or the return of same, have often done so for selfish and limiting reasons. 

They talk about worship and these people looking to be worshiped.  Like you, i've looked at many so called "enLightened" people and "teachers" and like you, i've noticed that in many cases, there was a lot of self serving motivations and interactions involved.   Sometimes they were looking to be worshiped and adored (as Ah So pointed out), and/or looking to benefit materially and financially in some way.  I suspect that in many cases, many of these people were being influenced by strong, hindering outer forces and influences, like the Reptilians. 

  As i've oft said, it's long been my intuition that Yeshua/"He/She" currently lays low and stays incognito because he knows that if he came out public again, at this point, that many people, would do with him what they did 2000 years ago.  Worship him, overly focus on him (rather than his message), and create limiting beliefs and structures around him. 

But, i think in the future, there may come a time when more people who are alive, will be more aware and less likely to treat and respond to Christed Consciousnesses in such limiting ways.  I think that more people will rather be inspired to become like Yeshua and other Christed Consciousnesses, if they see these examples in plain view. 

  I've been told, in various ways and manners, that this is part of the Plan for the future and those Christed Consciousness who do come forward, will not do so for self aggrandizing reasons or motivations, but simply to example what our full potential is, which is exactly what Yeshua did 2000 years ago publicly.  I intuit and know that truly Christed Consciousnesses know and teach that this is a universal potential for all humans, rather than proclaiming themselves as completely special and unique like some so called teachers have done.   

  It seems that in another session, Rosalind saw a similar thing for the probable future time lines, and specifically she saw that it was right after the collapse.  In another part wherein seeing the probable future, she also describes seeing that more highly developed people would be more active in leadership type positions and roles than currently.  I suspect, due to the intense and challenging nature of the future changes, that this will be a necessity in order to help rebuild civilization to the more truly civilized. 

  RE: self, it was perhaps a mistake to go into the messages i've received about self here (i haven't fully figured this out yet), however, i can completely honestly state that my motivation and intent for doing so had nothing to do with looking for or expecting any kind of worship or adoration.  Actually, i knew full well how others would react and look at me after i stated these.  I knew i would be judged harshly and critically for that and i knew that no one would believe me.

  I know some also saw this as a ploy to sell more books (see the sarcastic, belittling "destinyandmj" posts directed oh so subtly at me), since i recently and previously stated i was writing one.  Yet, again, i can honestly state that i really don't care much about money and have never sought to be well off or attached to having more than to take care of basic necessities.  I plan for releasing it as an ebook and for about 3 dollars if i can control the price.   

  I stated same, mostly because i have been given a glimpse of the Plan, and i do know it involves multiple Christed folks eventually stepping out into the public awareness and actively teaching and exampling what this is all about.  I expected to get negative backlash, as i have, but i figure it's a small price to play for the preparation of these.  I feel the collapse is coming sooner than later and soon, modern convenient, mass communication will not be around.  If some preparation (conscious awareness) is part of the plan, like i have intuited, then the time is now before we cannot communicate to the many like we can now. 

  Or, to point out in Jesus's case, Jesus did not just all of a sudden "show up" out of the blue.  Jesus had many prophets see his coming and they tried to make this awareness public knowledge.  It was not only the Hebrew prophets either that forsaw him.  There were Persian and others who also were looking for him.  Then you also had the Essenes who not only were looking for him and had prophesied about him, but were actively trying to bring about his conception and entrance into the world. 

  There seems to have been a whole lot of preparation and some foreknowledge that went on with Yeshua's coming into the world way back when.  I figure the so called "second coming" is a multi layered process which involves a span of time, various catalysts, and different humans--including eventually also the waiting, incognito He/She.  I figure that there would be, like last time, some foreknowledge and preparation that would go on with the so called "second coming" as well. 

  In Bob Monroe's 2nd book, on page 60 in that channeling sessions wherein it seems clear that Yeshua was speaking and communicating through an Explorer, he specifically said, "Do not look for me in the form of a man.  The time is not yet." 

  The time is not yet, seems to imply that Jesus will eventually step out of his incognito role, when the time is right.

Another comment about explorer session # 8. Around the 46 minute point Robert Monroes asks Rosalind Mcknight if there is anybody in the World like Jesus today (this was asked after Rosalind told Robert than Jesus was the highest level consciousness that has incarnated into this World).

Notice how careful Rosalind (or shall I say the being who spoke through her) answered. I get the sense that this being understood how touchy this subject is. A lot of people conclude that Jesus wasn't any different than a lot of the people who claim to be enlightened. Because I was involved with guru-based teachings for a while I've found that "all" of the gurus I knew about weren't as wise as they claim. I've been seeing what the  so-called enlightened people of this World are about for almost 30 years.

On the other hand, going by the information I received Jesus was very wise.

There could be other people who are just as wise or near as wise as Jesus, but as far as I can tell these people aren't the people who are well known.

This isn't a matter of putting Jesus on a pedestal so we can worship him. It is a matter of finding out what's true.

There seems to have been a whole lot of preparation and some foreknowledge that went on with Yeshua's coming into the world way back when.  I figure the so called "second coming" is a multi layered process which involves a span of time, various catalysts, and different humans--including eventually also the waiting, incognito He/She.  I figure that there would be, like last time, some foreknowledge and preparation that would go on with the so called "second coming" as well. 

One of these comings might be that the entire planet reach the level of Christ Consciousness.

I think such a  scenario was produced during an epsiode of Stargate Atlantis where the entire planet "ascended"